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YOu do also realise that there are illnesses in the UK where the medical team have the right to compulsory treat people?
NO one is suggesting compulsory vaccines just that we have the right as a society to protect ourselves by refusing service to unvaccinated.
Why should we be put at risk by your refusal to vaccinate?
Some people think it's okay to drink and drive cos, you know, they've checked the stats and the chances are it won't happen to them.
Very wrong of society to impose its own differing view on the matter.
has done endless research over many years and almost certainly knows ten times more about this subject than you do
Peer reviewed medically driven research or internet bollocks. I'm assuming the latter otherwise she would have come to a different conclusion. Intelligence doesn't stop people holding idiotic and selfish views.
i just don’t agree with the language people have used
OK, let me rephrase what I said earlier.
Don’t kill my girlfriend’s daughter. Pretty please with sugar on top, I'll be your friend.
or that these people should be punished in some sort of way.
Again, they aren't being "punished," rather they aren't being afforded optional luxuries. Is a gym "punishing" non-members by not letting them use the facilities for free? Christ, this is the brexit argument all over again.
im out.
Demonstrably not. You can't even follow your own rules, let alone anyone else's.
Intelligence doesn’t stop people holding idiotic and selfish views.
Well, it does. But claiming intelligence doesn't confer it.
Well, it does.
It doesn't always, lots of very clever people have idiotic and selfish views - they reckon more intelligent people can come up with more plausible justifications for their prejudices/impulses so are no less prone to BS unless they have trained themselves to combat it.
Clever does not equal intelligent
Intelligent does not equal clever
And common sense is often absent from both.
Natural selection prospers on stupid.
Wanna exercise your rights? Then you need to acknowledge those of others. No one is being dragged kicking and screaming into a health centre against their will and ratchet strapped to a bed to be jabbed. You have the 'right' to refuse. .
But if you do, you HAVE to accept the right of venues to refuse your custom if they judge it would be a risk to their customers and/or their business. A commercial decision to exclude the unvaccinated. Sports venues, pubs, concert venues, airlines etc. Their right, just as it's yours to not be vaccinated. Fair enough?
And in a similar vein, would anyone on this thread who supports people refusing vaccinations deny for example, the right of a care home for the elderly insisting on their staff being vaccinated as a condition of employment?
My ex, who is highly intelligent, has done endless research over many years and almost certainly knows ten times more about this subject than you do, will not have any vaccines or have any given to my children. This pre-dates Wakefield.
I don’t think she’s an idiot or a dumb ****.
Well, we'll have to agree to differ then, because I do.
What's her credentials? Virologist is she? Immunologist? Or has she "done her research" on an anti-vax website / Facebook group which reinforces her opinions?
Tell you what,If you want to post up here her reasons why she thinks that then it'd take me about 30 seconds to refute her "years of research" as unsubstantiated bollocks and I suspect I'm not the only one.
And you cannot possibly have the first inkling of what I do or don't know about this subject.
It doesn’t always, lots of very clever people have idiotic and selfish views
Aye. What we have here is False Authority Syndrome. "My ex must be right because she's clever!"
No. Anyone who's clever entertains the idea that they might be wrong and indeed welcomes being proven so. All I've seen thus far countering what I'm saying is whining and abuse with a side order of "we shouldn't be forced to do something that no-one is forcing us to do" fantasy nonsense.
Yo science, bitches.
Your wife is a dumb ** putting your children at risk and also risking others.
And you need to wind your neck in. Their children, their responsibility. Whether you agree with it or not, whether the poster with the ‘highly intelligent’ wife is right or not, if you told me my wife is a dumb * I’d probably punch you.
This thread is pretty much a carbon copy of the Brexit thread - did nobody learn that shouting at people telling them they’re stupid doesn’t work?
I used to work for a large pharma, I had a pretty good understanding of the test cycle for new medicine and yes, when it first came out I was concerned that sufficient testing might not have been completed to ensure long term effects were known. However I’ve read up on it and I’m as comfortable as I’m going to be with it. In addition I don’t want to be responsible for harming someone else by being a carrier so obvs I’ll be getting the jab.
However if some dickhead started shouting at me telling me I’m an idiot/scum/hard of thinking and don’t deserve certain rights because I don’t think along the same lines as them, I’d probably tell them to do one.
Cougar - I totally get you being emotive about this with the situation as you explained it. I’m just not sure yelling at people or calling them idiots is the right way to go about it.