[Closed] Graffiti writer faces jail...

good - don't get me wrong. I love 'street art' propper graffiti/art.

but naff un-inspiring tags are just mindless damage.

tagging != art. off with his hands!

portlyone plus 1!

anyone remember this bloke from the 90's.
did some proper nice artwork up and down the m1.

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[s]Graffiti writer[/s]Vandal faces jail...

"fista" ? Guess his girlfriend liked the really kinky stuff... 😆

[i]it appears that the artistic merit of the work is to play a part in determining the severity of the sentence[/i]

I didn't read that in the article, in fact it said the law disregarded artistic merit?

portlyone minus one hand.

Then he should be made to use his remaining hand to scrub off every bit of graffiti with a toothbrush.

Banksy's latest creation has been done to coincide with the court case then presumably?

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I didn't read that in the article, in fact it said the law disregarded artistic merit?

why the need for the expert witness to dismiss the artistic integrity then..?

And to be honest if I hadn't misinterpreted the content of the article slightly it would have made a poor(er) thread..

Tox..., a prolific London tagger, faces a jail sentence

i'd jail him just for being a cockney.

send him down, tagging for tagging sake, . . . .could he do this? no.

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Fista was a Sheffielder. Got banged up I believe

I can appreciate graffiti art but tagging is just vandalism and a tad sad IMHO.

I can appreciate graffiti art but tagging is just vandalism and a tad sad IMHO.

+1

And it's pretty obvious that this guy is not trying to be an artist, there's no effort being made to make it aesthetically interesting in any way.

Tox..., a prolific London tagger, faces a jail sentence

"i'd jail him just for being a cockney".

Racist.......not all Londoners are cockneys. I've only been over to the east of London on a handful of occasions. And my accent is definitely South London, not cockney.

Mind you, he's a Camden boy.......so he deserves to be jailed just for being a northerner.

I can appreciate graffiti art but tagging is just vandalism and a tad sad IMHO.

I suspect it's about increasing his status in society.. let's face it.. that's the essence of the human condition is it not..?

I imagine he has increased his status within his peer group.. and occasionally if you've lived a relatively brutalised and unstimulating life and you're the right sort of age then little or nothing exists outside of your peer group.. so you could almost say that his work is commendable within those parameters..

perhaps instead of jail he could be awarded a certificate..?

He'll never be a DBK from Bristol.

Hope they chop of his hands.

It's 7 years since "Tox" was last hauled before the courts having incurred a £1m or so clean up bill for TFL care of his antics on the tube network in London.

Maybe they should send him to a Chinese prison this time so he can get some proper punishment. If his stuff was creative it would be slightly less annoying - simply spraying "Tox03" "Tox08" or "Tox11" is pretty mindless.

Racist.......not all Londoners are cockneys. I've only been over to the east of London on a handful of occasions. And my accent is definitely South London, not cockney

the only people that would care about such insignificances are cockneys. to the civilised of this island, cockneys are the people that live east of reading, south of oxford, west of the chunnel and north of brighton pier.

ron and reg would have sorted this grafitti scrote out.

Can we call everyone outside the M25 uncivilised savages then?

Ooh can we? Please? 🙂

ron and reg would have sorted this grafitti scrote out.

Ooh you're so enlightened about London, aren't you? So well informed and in touch... 🙄

Be'ave. Ernie's a bleedin' foreigner ffs. Practically French...

As for 'Tox'; it's not creative at all, it's just stupid, that sort of crap. There is a world of difference between proper graffiti art and tagging. Artists create something beautiful, something meaningful (whatever your sensibilities), wheras taggers just scrawl their tag. Pointless. Bit like shitting in a doorway.

There's a few places along the canal near me, where proper graffiti art is allowed/tolerated, and there's some amazing stuff going on. I think it's up to the individual to act responsibly though; some art enhances a place, brightens it up, adds something of cultural interest. Scrawling 'Tox' on a wall isn't art.

Personally, I love seeing creative stuff along railways and the like; it does no-one any harm, does it? Other than praps being a risk to the graffitos.

There are loads of artists who the police turn a blind eye to, as their work is enjoyed by many. It's a tricky one, but we need our Banksy's, our DBKs, our Blak le Rat's, etc.

We don't need Tox's.

I've often noticed the TOX tags around That London ™ © ®, and like most tags is very boring and uninspiring. The best taggers are pretty much like calligraphy, and can be quite beautiful. I do like Banksy's take, tho' typically inventive. I'd love to have a house or building with a wall suitable for a nice Banksy mural.

I wish they busted the tit who's been tagging PEAS everywhere for years

Some of the better artists are positively encouraged. I know of artists who've bin paid to do shop shutters and stuff.

Sweet Toof and Sickboy are two fellers living in east London, you may have seen their work about, speshly round Brick Lane, Shoreditch and Hoxton:

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same old same old
samo©

Why doesn't Tox tag his own corneas using a laser? It would save him a fortune on aerosols and would mean he (and he alone) would see his 'work' everywhere, permanently.

same old same old

There is a world of difference between proper graffiti art and tagging

Not exactly, what you would term 'proper' is just an evolution from the very early artists like Taki 183 and Stayhigh 149. Most of the now accepted artists (Banksy, Futura etc.) started by tagging and some of the best works have been extensions of a name piece. Granted the tag of Tox and the work of Blek le Rat seem to have little in common but it all comes from the same place.
I personally think Man is doing some unusual work at the moment but each to their own.

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Yeah but bar the odd slightly more creative piece, Tox hasn't progressed. His stuff is just like a dog pissing everywhere to mark territory.

Mind you, what I find far more offensive are bloody adverts everywhere in public places. Everywhere. Maybe legal, but I can't see how it's morally or ethically any better, in fact it's much worse.

Speshly this:

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Criminal.

He'll never be a DBK from Bristol.

That **** tagged my office windows.

That **** tagged my office windows.

This pleases me immensely. 😀

Nice one DBK...

At least DBK is tall enough to reach my office windows, unlike you.

KINGTUT - Member
Yap yap yap yap yap yap yap...

What mate? Sorry, I lost interest...

Heh, I win.

Yeah, you do. Well done. What a clever boy you are.

Run along now...

😉

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Ernie's a bleedin' foreigner ffs.

Yeah what of it ?...........most of South London is. Well the bits I come from is.

PMSL @ [i]"At least DBK is tall enough to reach my office windows, unlike you"[/i] 😀

I could graffiti kerbs and the bottom of bus stops. 🙂

Or your shoes, Ernie. Mind you, they're already very colourful....

did a coke logo invade your visual space today? did you choose to see that coke logo? these guys are taking back their urban space and sticking their logo all over it, for better or for worse, they don't give a **** what you think. ordinary invisible people in your face!

Either Tox is just an unmitigated **** or there's something wrong with him - a normal person just wouldn't spend all that time doing the same shitty, repetitive tag.

these guys are taking back their urban space

[i]Their[/i] urban space. Try to pay attention konabunny.

Looks a frickin mess, costs a small fortune to clean up, not the first time he's been hauled up for it. Short stay a HMP possibly not the best punishment. Stif brush and turps to clean up the mess and enrol him on a foundation art course so he can learn to draw properly

I think it's ugly as sin and a nuisance and possibly one of the biggest contributing factors to broken window syndrome..

his egotism and negativity certainly seem to have crystallised his form of expression to a very base level.. but surely that's a symptom of an existance hewn from within the detritus of urban excess and decay..?

It's an artform that has given itself over entirely to the whims of the city and it's flatulent pulse..

and as heart beats bring percussions
fallen trees bring reprocussions
citys play upon our souls like broken drums
redrum the essence of creation from city slums
but city slums mute our drums and our drums become humdrums
cuz city slums have never been where our drums are from
just the place where our daughters and sons become
offbeat heartbeats
slaves to city streets

an excerpt from 'twice the first time' Saul Williams

Short stay a HMP possibly not the best punishment.

Indeed.

We get taggers round our neighbourhood - just makes the place look a bit of a dump every time they have a round of it. There's no point in sending any of them to prison though. A few weeks spent with the clean-up team cleaning their tags off would sort them out fairly quickly - it's just a bit of restorative justice.

If you stand still long enough in Madrid, you'll probably get tagged by some young tyke, I have no time for taggers. Neither on the street or here. 😈
Graffiti artists on the other hand...

but surely that's a symptom of an existance hewn from within the detritus of urban excess and decay..?

It's an artform that has given itself over entirely to the whims of the city and it's flatulent pulse..

could i suggest that sir is somewhat over reaching in their search for the magic brasso to polish what is a turd of some magnitude ?

If I was a true street/graffiti artist I'd be right hacked off to be lumped in with the taggers. One often has wit and guile as well as aesthetic appeal whilst the other is on a par with those adolescent boys who feel compelled to draw a self portrait of their knob on a school desk. Fortunately most grow out of it before they do too much damage. To still be doing it at 26 must be an indication of mental health problems. The same could be said of still playing out on your push bike at 40 I suppose.....

could i suggest that sir is somewhat over reaching in their search for the magic brasso to polish what is a turd of some magnitude ?

you could.. and you would be right to do so.. 🙂

you get a better class of tagging near the coast;

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That's hardly 'tagging', is it? 😆

Dunno about it's 'their' space; it's 'my' space too, and I don't want to see stupid tags everywhere.

on a par with those adolescent boys who feel compelled to draw a self portrait of their knob on a school desk

Perfectly put.

they don't give a **** what you think

What a selfish and anti-social attitude they have towards others then. Not very nice, is it? Shall I just vandalise property/throw litter in the street to show how I 'don't give a **** what others think', then? How about I come and do that outside your house?

At least proper graffiti artists create something that stimulates thought and imagination and that. Taggers offer nothing culturally or socially.

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At least proper [s]graffiti artists[/s] street artists create something that stimulates thought and imagination and that. Taggers offer nothing culturally or socially.

Going back to the 1980's 'proper' graffiti artists tagged AND pieced, be thankful its nowhere near as endemic as it was 20+ years ago. I'd jail this guy just having a crap tag and a crap hand style.

Banksy = 6th form art college w*nk.

He's so clever, he always makes me stop and think: "What a c*nt."

very insightful gary.. thanks for the input.. you have greatly enriched this thread with your observations..

you can have a sticky star

About 100% more insightful than Banksy then.

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Are you the Lord of the Threads or something? Apologies I didn't get your approval, oh mighty one.

it's definitely a "Look at me. I'm here" thing I reckon. Empowerment. definiteley a certain psychology. but when we are totally battered by images, every second, everyday, telling us to do this or that. I don't have a problem with people sticking their name up. It's a question of aesthetics and motivation! make it look better!