When will that tool learn??
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-18321310 ]Fisticuffs again[/url]
Yes shocking behaviour, being verbally abused attacked and punched in the face, its about time victims of such crimes were locked up and the key thrown away.
Major Grumble Farquharson (retired)
Tundbridge Wells
But surely the lad knows he's gonna get stick, why put yourself in that situation??
Yep, he should stay in and not leave the house.
😉
I'm sure he is the true diplomat when it comes to confrontation.
Two to tango and all that.
He isn't a tool.
He is the pinnacle of English sporting achievement, he is a captain of an English Premier football club. He is the imbodiment of what every young child and man wants to be. He and those like him i.e Mr Terry are on a pedestal for us all to admire.
Wonder why we live in a c*** culture?
someone on here was defending him as a reformed character.
Fighting outside nightclubs at 5.30 am hardly looks like it.
Fighting outside nightclubs at 5.30 am hardly looks like it.
yeah, smashing some poor bloke in the fist with his nose - what a hooligan.
jesus, at least let the bloke be tried and convicted before casting judgement 🙄
so why was barton arrested then if he was an innocent set upon? What was he doing getting into that situation?
in nightclub punch ups, the cops tend to arrest everyone involved TJ. When was the last time you were at one? 🙂
Punch up or nightclub? 🙂 a couple of years ago now for sure. However here they do not tend to arrest people who have been set upon. Not enough cells to put them in.
When was the last time you were at one?
If it means stepping away from furiously bashing his keyboard, I'm going to guess never.
Please, please. Can we remember it is never mr bartons fault, even when he uses someones face as an ash tray 😯
5.30am at a nightclub as a trained athlete - I don't know how they do it! I'm no football fan or apologist but playing at the top level looks proper difficult in terms of fitness required. To keep that level of fitness, even in the off season you would have thought would take a level of dedication that would mean being in a club at that time of night just would not be on your radar as an acceptable thing to be doing. I can't imagine a track and field athlete, even in the depths of winter, being out drinking at 5.30am. Yet these footballerists manage to hold it together physically - amazing!
depends TJ, if the cops get there and everyones just fighting, they get everyone, doesn't matter who says "im innocent"
Ive seen cases where some bloke was on the ground getting pounded, turns out he's been racist to some girl and about three or four other guys had beaten him up, he was arrested. But it looked like they were just smashing up some random.
They cops don't know until they find out, so they tend to grab everyone.
Convert, I was out on saturday, and I'm well fit LOL
...5.30am at a nightclub as a trained athlete...
Wendyball does not require you to be an 'athlete', but since it's finished for the summer, is he not allowed a night off?
Mr Barton's reputation goes before him, he's going to be a target for any random idiot.
Major Grumble Farquharson (retired)
Tundbridge Wells
You're not the real Major Grumble Farquharson!!!
It's Tunbridge Wells!!!
Imposter...
so why was barton arrested then if he was an innocent set upon?
so everyone who is arrested is guilty ?
i'd stop digging if i were you.
trailmonkey - my experience is that they only arrest people who have had a complaint made against them or there is other evidence. If someone is merely set upon they are not arrested - thats my experience of working alongside cops in Edinburgh. Again ALL nighclubs here have CCTV outside them so the cops immediately review it to see what happened. the simply do not have the cells to lock everyone fighting up
If someone thumped him and thats all that happened he would not have been arrested - even if he was drunk he would have been de arrested when sober not bailed.
There must be a case to answer.
Wendyball does not require you to be an 'athlete', but since it's finished for the summer, is he not allowed a night off?
I think the sports science types would disagree with you on the footballers are not athletes aspect.
As I said above - an athlete's (assuming you think he is one) idea of a "night off" tends to be a little more muted.
Jamie - Member
When was the last time you were at one?
If it means stepping away from furiously bashing his keyboard, I'm going to guess never.
Genuine coffee/keyboard interface moment then.....
Still chuckling now!!!
Blimey just read about Joey barton, seems like a lovely chap!
He should have a 'sticky' on this site.
tj- you've won me over. i'll ignore the fact that people get arrested then found not guilty or that people get arrested and it never goes to court. i'll also forget that people are innocent until proven guilty.
Barton is nothing but a well paid thug who should never have played again after the first time he got convicted. There is always someone who is bigger and better one day he will get involved in a fight that he cant win. serves him right
They didn't turn up and nick everyone though! They turned up Barton claimed he had been assaulted but didn't want to press charges that was news Sat am, Sun am he's been nicked! it apperas to me the alleged offenders on assault on Barton were arrested at scene, coppers start investigating, seize CCTV ... ah Mr Barton isn't as innocent as he claims..which is very often the case in pub fights!!! so Sun am news Barton arrested ..quel surprise!! What a thug. That's JIMO.
trailmonkey - my experience is that they only arrest people who have had a complaint made against them
So the other party says he punched me first.
It's naive to think that a the Police are going to imediately investigate a minor incident involving possibly drunk parties when the priority is to keep the peace.
Being innocent is the matter for the Courts not protection from being arrested.
It's naive to think that a the Police are going to imediately investigate a minor incident involving possibly drunk parties when the priority is to keep the peace.
its what happens here.
TJ it will all depend on the information given, who rang the police, who witnessed it, who says what. But if you get a party of people saying "he hit me".."no he hit me" then they are all coming in for an affray, interviews, CCTV and slow time enquiries will then figure out who did what. When you have 8 coppers policing a town like Oxford that could well have 3000 odd people out on th pi** you have to manage the resources effectively.
its what happens here.
I think ID might have been an issue in this case. Arresting everyone involved is not an unusual practice imo, and not an indicator of guilt.
The local paper up here, suggested that Joey Barton was aassaulted outside a gay club, which Garlands is, and his club said he suffered offensive chanting, before being hit by 2 lads, he was also reportred as not to be pressing charges,they got arrested, then he got arrested latter,so something obviously changed the police officers minds.
When you have 8 coppers policing a town like Oxford that could well have 3000 odd people out on th pi** you have to manage the resources effectively.
When we had a bloke with a flaming torch running through town on friday we had a helicopter, 3 riot vans fully loaded, a lot of pcso,s, 4 squad cars and a lot of senior officers.
Same with the thing for elizabeth windsor in london town today.
Obviously someone hadnt read the book "How to manage resourses effectively"
Same with the thing for elizabeth windsor in london town today.
A helicopter, 3 riot vans, 4 squad cars, and a lot of senior officers ? What a terrible waste of resources.
That'll be government dictated though Project!! Bet local SMT dont' want to be using their resources for that.
Wendyball does not require you to be an 'athlete'
My god, I've heard it all now.
TandemJeremy - Memberits what happens here.
It doesn't. The Police will make an assessment of the incident and act depending upon what they consider to be appropriate to keep the peace. This [i]may[/i] involve nicking all parties concerned or sending parties off in different directions.
Only if a serious offence is suspected to have been commited would an investigation begin proper there and then.
mk1fan - I have seen them do it. In Edinburgh they cannot nick everyone who is fighting - only 60 cells in the city.
Not always of course but they tend to review cctv straight away before they bring anyone in
No, you've watched a few incidents and made a sweeping assumption. Proper investigations are made after the event.
Indeed there are plenty of times when people are let on their way simply because the cells are full.
wrightyson - MemberBut surely the lad knows he's gonna get stick, why put yourself in that situation??
Aye, he shouldn't have gone out in that short skirt, he was asking for it.
mk1fan - I have worked alongside the police here a fair bit
And not picked up anything.
mk1fan - MemberIt's naive to think that a the Police are going to imediately investigate a minor incident involving possibly drunk parties when the priority is to keep the peace.
That's exactly what happened for me.
There is a huge difference between undertaking a full and proper investigation and making an intial assessment of an incident.
What level / how indepth that initial assessment takes depends on a number of factors and availability of resources.
Different "arresting procedures" north and south of the border. OH has had to attend various courses on the correct procedures to follow when she's down in Londonshire on sports day.
Being taken in for a chat and arrested are two very different things in scotland AFAIK.
I think the sports science types would disagree with you on the footballers are not athletes aspect.
I doubt it; the refs tend to be fitter than the mincers in the posh boots.
I doubt it; the refs tend to be fitter than the mincers in the posh boots.
Are you for real?
My mate's lad has just been released by the Walsall Youth Team - and trained for hours every day. He can run faster, longer than anyone I know, excellent swimmer, strong upper body etc. He had a few run outs for the Reserves, which was a different level - and another step up to play in the first team.
This is a lower league club. By the time you are getting to Championship/Prem levels, whatever your prejudices against football players are, it is undeniable that they are incredibly fit.
Mind you, calling them mincers says something.
Incredibly fit ... mmm I have to disagree on that espeically versus other sports.
Wendyball does not require you to be an 'athlete',
I take it you dont play football but are a fan of eggchasing where those who lack the coordination to play football end up ?
Just wait until his playing career ends. I give it 2yrs tops. The money gone and tge papers salivating over his downward spiral.
Jail though. Not drink like Gazza.