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You shouldnt even have to ask for some one to shift their car, let alone politely. All this "what if?" is typical STW twaddle. Nothing happened do there can be no "What if?"
I did.
So are you going to respond to my point rather than the specifics of this incident?
All this “what if?” is typical STW twaddle. Nothing happened do there can be no “What if?”
I'll remember to use this quote next time someone is complaining about a close pass. I wonder how that will be received?
Note: I'm not commenting on this incident but the sentiment behind the statements folk are coming out with.
Apparently he asked them to move a few times first and their response was to punch him in the face, ...
I guess the new way of communication is to punch people in the face? LOL!
Great decision and well done to the farmer.
Taking law into own hands? Why not? Farmer was just removing the car after being punched in the face. It is just a car. i.e. farmer was just removing an object.
A close pass affecting someone going about their lawful business is not the same as a situation where a drunk puts himself in a danger by deliberately getting close to a moving vehicle and repeatedly kicking it.
Take whatever sentiment you want out of that.
So are you going to respond to my point rather than the specifics of this incident?
I did that too.
It's his private farmland. There's no problem with what he did? He's just moving an object that's in the way of his access. The only issue is that he dumped the object on a public highway, he could/should have just rolled it further into his land off his road and locked the gate. Then called the police to remove the trespasser
@flannol - one big problem with that, is that the police won’t turn up to remove a trespasser from private land, and nobody will turn out to remove the vehicle either. Scumbags who flytip heaps of trash in fields and gateways do so in the knowledge that there’s seldom any significant chance that they will be identified, and the farmer or landowner has to foot the bill for its removal. That’s a fact.
Those little shitbags got exactly what they deserve, and I’m 100% behind what the farmer did, including where he dumped the car. All around where I live there are gateways into fields that have been blocked off with tree trunks to stop people from driving in and dumping trash, there’s an infamous traveller site next to the railway near where my mate lives, with gates leading to a large railway maintenance yard, and it’s a regular occurrence to see huge piles of tree trimmings dumped outside the gates, and in nearby field entrances.
Who clears up the trash? The landowner, at considerable cost.
Who clears up the trash? The landowner, at considerable cost.
On or close to the highway (gateways) the local council should be doing that (it is or was the system in Suffolk) which makes it a community cost.
On or close to the highway (gateways) the local council should be doing that (it is or was the system in Suffolk) which makes it a community cost.
Seems to be, I reported a load of flytipped cannabis farming leftovers (old plants, lamps, fans and so on, some in black bags) the council cleared everything off the verge but left all the shite stuck in the hedge and just over it into the field. I'm sure they have their instructions but it struck me as a bit jobsworthy.
All this piffle about close passes is irrelevant.
Nothing gets done about close passes when there is no injury, but we are still entitled to be annoyed.
You are also entitled to pass any evidence onto the police.
seriousrikk - suggest you check your facts.
See RoadCC for their close pass of the day posts; that will help you understand that close passes can and do result in court appearances, fines and pojnts.
Nothing gets done about close passes when there is no injury, but we are still entitled to be annoyed.
To my pleasant surprise, a post on a local Nottingham cycle page indicated that of 8 videos a guy had submitted to the Police, he'd had confirmation that 4 had resulted in action being taken.
Regarding my post above about trash being dumped on other peoples property, this I saw today isn’t actually on a farmer’s land, but it is on a public right of way with farmland all around.
The location is at ///youngest.bead.wildfires Someone’s going to have to move and dispose of this, probably at some cost. 🤬
Think if I was farming in some places I'd be considering buying one of these...
https://forkliftwrecker.com/store/forklift-wrecker/the-forklift-wrecker/
Looks like a quick, easy way of shifting a dumped motor without doing excessive damage 🤔
Not as much fun as ramming your tines through the side of the car though
I'm waiting for someone to use this case as precedent to deal with some of the dickhead school run parking in the village......
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I’m waiting for someone to use this case as precedent to deal with some of the dickhead school run parking in the village……
Nah, they all park bumper to bumper. What you want there is a sideloader, much quicker.
I guessing it was the police who pushed for this to go to court because at the end of the day he used a vehicle as a weapon and could have easily killed some one?
"He went on trial at Durham Crown Court after being charged with dangerous driving and criminal damage."
I guessing it was the police who pushed for this to go to court because at the end of the day he used a vehicle as a weapon and could have easily killed some one?
Ah but nobody got hurt and he's one of our guys so it's okay.
I’m not with the farmer on this one. He took the law into his own hands and it was just luck the yob wasnt killed. Had those forks struck him on the head the result could well have been fatal.
A self defence plea only applies if they are coming at you and you cannot escape, or if they’ve entered your home are there with you, and you are in fear of your life
Step outside the safety of your home and you become an aggressor. The farmer went back, ignored the phone, didnt call the police but armed himself with a dangerous weapon, a telehandler, which he proceeded to wield as though it were a weapon.
He was assaulted and became enraged.
Luck, or unlucky?
I'm willing to bet that these two p*ss stains are a rancid boil on the arse of humanity.
Hardly likely to be upstanding members of their community given what we know. If the worst happened and one of them did get killed then its their own fault for being obnoxious arseholes in the first place. Don't be a tw*t = you won't get into these situations. No time for absolute whoppers like those two louts who think they can do what they want and trample over other people when doing it with no respect for anything or anyone.
I’m willing to bet that these two p*ss stains are a rancid boil on the arse of humanity.
Hardly likely to be upstanding members of their community given what we know. If the worst happened and one of them did get killed then its their own fault for being obnoxious arseholes in the first place. Don’t be a tw*t = you won’t get into these situations. No time for absolute whoppers like those two louts who think they can do what they want and trample over other people when doing it with no respect for anything or anyone.
Your'e also an ex prison officer & I claim my £5.
Also, I totally agree.
I’m willing to bet that these two p*ss stains are a rancid boil on the arse of humanity.
Hardly likely to be upstanding members of their community given what we know. If the worst happened and one of them did get killed then its their own fault for being obnoxious arseholes in the first place.
Ooh, can we play a game of "is it a comment from a Daily Mail cycling article"?
So is it or is it not okay to use a vehicle as a weapon?
So is it or is it not okay to use a vehicle as a weapon?
Depends on the circumstances. See also knives and guns.
Is this another thread where Squirrelking is going to be all edgy and stuff?
So is it or is it not okay to use a vehicle as a weapon?
It seems a jury, in possession of more facts than we are, decided in this situation it didn't need punishing.
I wonder whether he got out and checked the weight of the car first before attempting to lift it,might have exceeded the load centre of the forklift, you know health and safety etc.
Is this another thread where Squirrelking is going to be all edgy and stuff?
Tsk Tsk Drac
You should take up woodworking, you could make yourself a big pot stirring spoon.
It seems a jury, in possession of more facts than we are, decided in this situation it didn’t need punishing.
On the direction of the judge.
"Judge Ray Singh had outlined routes to verdict for the jury, explaining the law surrounding self-defence and a defendant protecting himself and his property."
Love to hear how he'd protecting himself when he went to get his telehandler instead of going into his house and locking the door and calling the police.
Oh Yes. Claims of the police might not come. Not that we would ever know the answer to that as the option wasn't used.
As to protecting his property. Protecting it from someone sitting on his driveway. Last thing I heard there was its not a police matter should someone park or block your drive.
Last thing I heard there was its not a police matter should someone park or block your drive.
It is if you are unable to access the highway from your property, the offence of obstruction. Not for getting back onto the property though. (See also driveway cut-outs).
. Last thing I heard there was its not a police matter should someone park or block your drive.
Ignorance of the law not being a defence.
Ignorance of the law not being a defence.
Clearly
“The first step with any anti-social parking problem is to contact your local authority or the police; however there is little the law can do to support home owners – even if a car blocks your driveway,” Charlotte Dixon, solicitor at DAS Law
The roadway belongs to the council, not the homeowner.
So is it or is it not okay to use a vehicle as a weapon?
It seems a jury, in possession of more facts than we are, decided in this situation it didn’t need punishing.
The Jurys decision was about the dangerous driving and criminal damage charge, not an assault. Unless he is charged for that, the case makes it to trial and a jury makes a decision, we won't know if using the telehandler as a weapon was lawful.
The main takeaway from this case is be careful where you park you car in England.
The main takeaway from this case is be careful where you park you car in England.
Which really shouldn't have needed explaining to anyone with a driving license.
Which really shouldn’t have needed explaining to anyone with a driving license.
And yet I saw it multiple times on the way to work this morning.
