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Just what would you have done with the millions of refugees, Jamba? A full proposal with the probable consequences please.

Whilst Germany is suffering I think the rest of the world would have suffered more had Germany not taken the refugees. Personally I'd like to see a deal with Saudi so that radicals can be swapped with Saudis who reject radicalisaation.

Unless you're Burmese, then it's the Buddhists. Or in Uganda (or until recently N. Ireland), where they're Christians. And let's not forget the Jewish extremist groups in Israel. Or the Hindu lynch mobs that pop up now and then in India.

Or in Canada, where Sikhs were responsible for the biggest terrorist attack. Etc etc etc.

spekkie - Member
Regardless of the nationality of the criminal, the religion stays constant, right?

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I see Farage is using it for his own agenda, perhaps a new low even for him.

The whole thing is horrific

"Regardless of the nationality of the criminal, the religion stays constant, right?"

[i]Obviously wrong but good attempt to help the Isis agenda.[/i]

I'm not specifying ISIS, I'm specifying that "Religion" (in whatever misguided form) seems to be a constant . . . as confirmed here:

[i]"Unless you're Burmese, then it's the Buddhists. Or in Uganda (or until recently N. Ireland), where they're Christians. And let's not forget the Jewish extremist groups in Israel. Or the Hindu lynch mobs that pop up now and then in India."[/i]

French and German media are reporting the profile of the killer BTW: origin, route, status in Germany and previous criminal record.

Edukator - Reformed Troll

French and German media are reporting the profile of the killer BTW: origin, route, status in Germany and previous criminal record.

Oh thank god. Please let it be a white person with mental health issues instead of a brown person with religion of peace issues.

I hope someone with a piano can show up at the scene of the murders and sing "Imagine" by John Lennon. That's what religious nut jobs really fear.

Gary_C - Member

Looks like a terrorist attack done in the name of the religion of peace.

Yep, with 44 million Muslims living in Europe if Islam wasn't the religion of peace we would know all about it - we've seen the carnage that just one individual can cause.

Thank goodness that 99.9% of Muslims aren't terrorists eh ?

I'm not specifying ISIS, I'm specifying that "Religion" (in whatever misguided form) seems to be a constant . . . as confirmed here:

Well, ETA (in Spain) haven't actually turned in their guns yet. There are maoist terrorists in Colombia, Peru and India. And that's without getting into the murky debate about US drone strikes, Russian attacks in Aleppo, etc. etc.

Just what would you have done with the millions of refugees

International agreements/law already have this sussed.

You keep displaced people together as close as possible to their original homes. That way they can be looked after and most importantly when the threat goes they can return ASAP. Otherwise you end up in the situation where the nutters get defeated and there are no sane people around to repopulate the areas they came from. The last thing you want is displaced people spread over the planet.

Damn those Muslim terrorists to hell.
Thoughts with the Muslim victims in the Mosque.

@pete tough times. Give everyone a hug. I hope you don't know anyone killed.

Christmas market and fair in our town in Paris has concrete blocks placed in road and armed police and the army guarding the site. We have not been into the main Paris market for personal security reasons.

It's tempting to think that the problem is this new rush of refugees and immigrants, and by simply shutting that door we can keep out the bad guys. It's not true.

This is Germany's 4th (I believe) deadly terrorist attack carried out by a "refugee". This terrorist was from ****stan although he claimed he was Afghan. ****stan not Syria or Iraq. As part of the deal with Turkey all ****stani and Bangladeshi migrants are now returned immediately. Germany accepted a million people with virtually no checks. From the data I have seen majority are not entitled to asylum (Germans have declared Afghans ineligible as its a safe country) Moroccans, Tunisians, ****stan, Bangladesh, Somalia ..

Farage is right to say this disastrous policy will be Merkel's legacy. The EU tried to force all member countries to take an allocation of these un checked "refugees". It's hardly surprising the member countries have declined to do so.

Edukator the refugees should have remained in Turkish, Lebanease and Jordanian camps. The UK is the second largst financial supporter of these refugee camps after the US. Had Germany wanted to accept refugees it should have followed the UK policy of preclearing them via the UN and taking people only from these camps.

US drone strikes,

From what SFR are reporting he's from an area (****stan/Afghan) that's been suffered thousands of US drone strikes.

Edukator the refugees should have remained in Turkish, Lebanease and Jordanian camps.

You know as well as I do that those camps were already saturated and incapable of taking a million more and the UK certainly wasn't going to finance doing so.

From what SFR are reporting he's from an area (****stan/Afghan) that's been suffered thousands of US drone strikes.

So he failed his geography test then?

From what SFR are reporting he's from an area (****stan/Afghan) that's been suffered thousands of US drone strikes.

Well you can turn that around and say it clearly demonstrates he's originated from a hotbed of terrorists.

The ****stanis, Bangladeshis, Moroccans and Tunisians for example could have gone back to those countries. Why should Saudi take them ?

for those saying we could be on the list next, there were six arrests at the end of last week around Birmingham, London and derby regarding plots for attacks on Christmas markets in the UK.

****ers are everywhere

No, Dragon, he just followed instructions to kill infidels wherever he could.

Prophetic speech from Dominique de Villepin before Blair and Bush started to the chain of events that led to this thread being posted:

Do you really think that if Middle Eastern countries used a huge military machine to bomb the UK for years a few British expats in the Middle East might not feel the need for revenge?

Edit: I thought I'd typed a four letter acronym, could a mod confirm that some things don't get replaced by the swear filter but simply disappear.

Is it actually possible to check refugees for this sort of thing? I presume they aren't all carrying passports, utility bills and so on?

Is it actually possible to check refugees for this sort of thing? I presume they aren't all carrying passports, documents so on?

All terrorists carry a terriost members card at all time.

Of course. You would think the citizens of Berlin would be well up for building concrete walls around places where people come together.

...what was the intel that led to this, and was Germany party to that intel?

Because if so, there's a frigging nuclear level scandal waiting to happen over failing to act on it.

Because if so, there's a frigging nuclear level scandal waiting to happen over failing to act on it.

Why? They're not the only city who doesn't have them.

No definite links to terrorism... yet.... it could still be a traffic accident like the Glasgow bin lorry

Don't jumps to conclusions

I think that you need to up your meds.........

I think that you need to up your meds......

He was just making a point that people were jumping to conclusions.

...incredibly racist, xenophobic and islamophobic to suggest that something which looks like an islamist attack is an islamist attack.

There is a perverse legacy from our IRA years, that many of our city centres and public buildings still have concrete bollards and barriers around them, meaning that in many places it would actually be very difficult to do the same here. A lot of people don't realise there is still this infrastructure in our towns as we have got so used to seeing it.

(that and the ram-raiding years).

Bicker, bicker, bicker... Bonnes fêtes, à plus.

Edit: you posted while I was typing, Scud, congratulations on typing something pertinent.

Puts rose tinted glasses on and looks nostalgically back to the IRA years in so much as at least they usually gave a warning and had a political leaning that was not all 'death to the infidel'.

[quote=jambalaya ]..........
Farage is right to say this disastrous policy will be Merkel's legacy.

Is he? Should try looking at his own legacy

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If her legacy was welcoming hundreds of thousands of desperate people into Germany; giving them shelter, safety and a possible future, then, to be honest, I'd be pretty happy with that as a legacy.

Yes, it might be that one of the 900000 people she saved turned out to be a wrong 'un. That's terrible. It doesn't mean that the act of compassion was wrong, though.

Rachel

How the **** does he sleep at night.

Just as I was thinking I was on the wrong forum three people prove me wrong. Exactly Allthegear. We now need to stop creating the conditions that produce "wrong uns".

Farage managed the unmanageable today - to sink below the level of the gutter. I almost pranged my car, listening to his BS on the radio about an hour ago. He has sunk below contempt now.

Its a horrible thing but it is too easy to blow this stuff out of proportion and start pointing fingers. Far more likely to be killed or severely injured in an RTA.

Shitting your pants about refugees carrying out attacks is a waste of time.
[url= http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015 ]Deaths in Europe from extremism[/url]

ETA, IRA, RAF, Neo-Nazi's. Lone wolf attacks e.g Anders Breivik (killed 77 - 2011). Don't forget that Europe is perfectly capable of creating its own extremist psychos. (or wars for that matter)

We should still help refugees.

We should still help refugees

Id be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees, it just appears that Merkals open door policy exacerbated the situation and allowed a good deed to be taken advantage off.
It also didn't help that when she had realised what she had done she then tried to foist them on neighbouring countries!
Process the refugees near the borders of Syria, then allocate them to safe host countries.
You now have a lot of refugees mixed in with more good old fashioned economic migrants taking advantage of the situation, living in subpar accommodation and now being viewed very suspiciously by the local population, something that will lead to more of these attacks as everyone becomes more disillusioned with the status quo.
Its a horrible vicious circle with frankly no easy fix.

It's a religion of peace you know....

Yawn.

A lot of people don't realise there is still this infrastructure in our towns as we have got so used to seeing it.

It's not 'still' there, we actively design it in. There was a whole piece on the One Show a while back with a town planner discussing all the various layers of protection built into public spaces.

The other thing is are our intelligence agencies doing a better job than on the continent? There was rumour that the EU are concerned about the lack of communication on intelligence once Brexit happens, as the UK is a big player.

If you can't link something it's not even a rumour, it's fiction.

"I'd be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees"

The Saudis don't appear particularly keen...

ninfan - Member

...what was the intel that led to this, and was Germany party to that intel?

what was the intel - not sure
was germany party to it - directly, maybe, although the media identifies bomb links and UK suspects, rather than some pan-europe truck driving horror.
Germany are, after all on a high terror alert so indirectly, yes they will have been aware.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/12/counter-terrorim-arrests-made-over-significant-plot-to-attack-uk-isis-

bill oddie - Member

Its a horrible thing but it is too easy to blow this stuff out of proportion and start pointing fingers. Far more likely to be killed or severely injured in an RTA.

Shitting your pants about refugees carrying out attacks is a waste of time.

I'm sure that would be of great comfort to the relatives of the people just murdered. It's also a stupid comparison. There aren't groups of people celebrating a road traffic accident. There aren't groups of people conspiring to carry out another more extreme road traffic accident. People don't aspire to kill others in a road traffic accident in order to guarantee their place in heaven. It's entirely plausible that there could be a similar attack on another European city tonight.

Intent matters.

Deaths in Europe from extremism

ETA, IRA, RAF, Neo-Nazi's. Lone wolf attacks e.g Anders Breivik (killed 77 - 2011). Don't forget that Europe is perfectly capable of creating its own extremist psychos. (or wars for that matter)

So we don't need to import any. I wonder how many people ETA, the IRA, and Neo Nazis have killed in the last five years as opposed to Islamists.

freeagent - Member

"I'd be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees"

The Saudis don't appear particularly keen...

They're far too busy blowing up schools and hospitals with the billions of pounds worth of cutting edge british bombs they've acquired over the years. Better leave them alone, the customer is always right.

loddrik - Member

It's a religion of peace you know....

captainsasquatch

Not sure it's needed when we're discussing terrorism.

*Islamic* terrorism. Now would be a good time for you to mention that you work with muslims, you haven't mentioned it in about a week.

Id be struggling to think of anyone against helping refugees

Really?

Read the comments section on any news article regarding refugees. Grim.

*Islamic* terrorism. Now would be a good time for you to mention that you work with muslims, you haven't mentioned it in about a week.