[Closed] general election debate

Dan, his city career was hardly stellar either!! Like most of the Farrage myths it falls over under scrutiny.

Attending the Jam Pot and Simpsons yes, stellar City career...????????

UKIP were at my station this morning - shame there wasn't time to test him out as train was arriving!!

Nice drawing ernie.

It's more than just a drawing edward, it's a graph.

So did you figure out when the Tories were in government?

I'll give you a clue..........look at the peaks 💡

Surely one thing we all learn chaps is that the business of running things is best left to the ladies. Leaving us time for a nice bike ride and a pint.

Since 8pm tonight the SNP has gained 1500 new members.

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[i]"the business of running things is best left to the ladies"[/i]

Your hidden love gallery is even bigger than I thought Ernie!!!

Has Dave had Botox?

[quote=ernie_lynch ]See if you can figure out what years the Tories were in government.

The ones where unemployment is rising at the start and falling at the end?

2015 missing off that graph ernie 🙂 5.9% unemployment by the end of the coalition's term.

Has Dave had Botox?

No he just stretches nicely.

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So did you figure out when the Tories were in government?

I'll give you a clue..........look at the peaks

I'm making a statement about employment rates at the beginning and end of terms.

Sure, unemployment was high when this government came to power. Wonder why.

Sure, unemployment was high when this government came to power. Wonder why.

The ones where unemployment is rising at the start and falling at the end?

But still end up higher than it was when they first came to power?

Yes, they're the ones.

Earnie - at least your not disagreeing with my statement

Good question from Rebecca to which no truthful answer. You are the first generation in a while who will face a worse outlook than the previous ones. No escape as your future was mortgaged by the rest of us.

Come on edward,surely even you have heard of the international banking crisis ?

Which was apparently all Ed Milliband's fault. Not sure how he managed that, but I think that's what Clegg said.

Its quite depressing. We are going to be governed by a minority government in a coallition with a party that didnt want to be part of the UK.

Sadly voting for none of them wont count.

Democracy my arse.

Maybe you need a dictionary to look up democracy?

FWIW the SNP and Labour have booth ruled out a coalition with each other, so that won't happen. As for having a number of MP's who don't want Scotland to be in the UK, how is that any different to the UKIP MEP's? Can'y change the system from the outside....

I'm making a statement about employment rates at the beginning and end of terms.

I think you need a hand. Have a look at this :

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The Tories came to power in 1979 and left in 1997. You will note that unemployment was significantly higher when they left office than it had been when they first formed a government.

BTW you still haven't explained the connection with past unemployment levels and tonight's TV debate?

Just fancied saying something critical about the Labour Party without wanting to comment on the thread's topic?

FWIW the SNP and Labour have booth ruled out a coalition with each other, so that won't happen.

😀 😀

It looks like (as YouGov result) the next coalition govt might come from Tory and UKIP because SNP will wipe the floor with Labour while the rest will have difficulty to master enough seats

Current predictions are actually Lab Minority Gov with a good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM 😆

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

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[url= http://survation.com/snap-post-debate-poll-survation-for-daily-mirror/ ]Survation poll results - totally different from youGov poll[/url]

tinribz - Member
It looks like (as YouGov result) the next coalition govt might come from Tory and UKIP because SNP will wipe the floor with Labour while the rest will have difficulty to master enough seats
Current predictions are Lab Minority Gov with a good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex alomond as Deputy PM

April fools was yesterday.

btw my prediction for the next government is Tory/LibDem/UKip.

[quote=whatnobeer ]As for having a number of MP's who don't want Scotland to be in the UK, how is that any different to the UKIP MEP's?

I hope the SNP MPs will make as constructive contribution as the UKIP MEPs do.

Though whilst we're here, I'd like to note that you're the one comparing SNP with UKIP 😉

Though whilst we're here, I'd like to note that you're the one comparing SNP with UKIP

Shit the bed, I'm turning into THM 😮

[quote=tinribz ]good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM

Aaargh!

[quote=seosamh77 ]btw my prediction for the next government is Tory/LibDem/UKip.

Aaargh!

Would you like your shit sandwich in white or brown bread?

seosamh77 » btw my prediction for the next government is Tory/LibDem/UKip.
Aaargh!

Would you like your shit sandwich in white or brown bread?

hahaha! 😀 Chuck the DUP in there too for a laugh! 🙁

Why does Michael Gove hate Scotland so much?

tinribz » good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM

No chance of that whatsoever. Alex Salmond has ruled it out.

tinribz - Member
Current predictions are actually Lab Minority Gov with a good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM

Lab and SNP coalition?

Geez I did not know politicians can change their tones as they like just to get into power. In that case all politicians must be honest people. 😆

Lucky you WNB!!!!

[url= https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/02/leaders-debate/ ]YouGov Poll Results for comparison[/url]

[url= http://www.icmunlimited.com/media-centre/polls/itv-leaders-debate-poll-for-guardian ]ICM Poll Results[/url]

Worrying how many people though Farrage won on immigration :s

Not sure we can take much away from any of these polls given how different all the results are?

[quote=seosamh77 ]Chuck the DUP in there too for a laugh!

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tinribz - Member

Current predictions are actually Lab Minority Gov with a good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM

You realise Electoral Calculus has the odds of a Nat/Tory coalition as equal to Nat/Labour? Which is about as likely as a Salt/Slug coalition. (you may decide which is the salt and which is the slug)

Ed begins with ZHCs even though they represent <3% of employment. A leader with real perspective. But at least he loves us all.

teamhurtmore - Member
Ed begins with ZHCs even though they represent <3% of employment. A leader with real perspective. But at least he loves us all.

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Pick those dates, pick those dates!!!

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) says that 697,000 people were employed on zero-hours contracts for their main job between October and December 2014, based on figures from the Labour Force Survey. That represents 2.3% of the UK workforce.

Ed begins with ZHCs even though they represent <3% of employment. A leader with real perspective.

Not sure what point you are trying to make

i cannot care as I dont have one?
they are not important because they dont affect me?

Could you clarify the[s] troll/lazy jibe [/s] point you are making?

[quote=whatnobeer ]Not sure we can take much away from any of these polls given how different all the results are?

Just looking at the details of the YouGov poll in isolation gives that impression - on a basic level the rating for NS is so much lower almost across the board than for either DC or EM as to call into question one or other part of that poll (the only part she beats either on is immigration, which is massively distorted by the Farage effect). Looking at the breakdown of the ratings between supporters it gets worse with such huge polarisation on most issues as to call into question the objectivity of most of those surveyed.

It's funny watching coalition partners having a bitch. It would be fun to know how they really interact in cabinet. Uncle Vince moaning in the corner aside, I suspect rather well.

I liked Clegg's leaning.
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He's certainly leaning a bit to the left there.

NC: "and she is really more popular than me?"
NF: "yes and the world is round too, nick"

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) says that 697,000 people were employed on zero-hours

So well over half a million people then. And you think Miliband lacks "real perspective" because he is concerned about the employment status of approaching three quarters of a million workers ?

You're not a Tory voter are you THM ?

Not tied to any of them Ernie, you know that, you ask the question often enough. Much more refreshing that way.

Well you have pets insults for members of every party but the tories

I am sure its just a coincidence and an further indication of your neutrality.

Glad I watched the Darts instead.

Well you certainly come out with some classic Tory lines THM, such as the dismissive one which trivialized the zero hour issue.

There are now 100,000 [i]more[/i] zero hour contracts than there was last year. Which suggests that it is a [i]growing[/i] issue. Despite your attempts to trivializes it.

It would be scandalous if Miliband ignored it.

teamhurtmore - Member
Not tied to any of them Ernie

Indeed, just think of all the issues that affect the other 98% or tackling the reasons why we have ZHC? But that would take some metal dexterity and perspective. Good job neither are required to be PM!!

Tell you what, lend me one of your many poster girl pictures and I will see if it has your desired effect. I will let you know. Take you pick, I know that you have lots of them.

You somewhat perverse logic could be applied equally to NF arguments on immigration or Tory nonsense in welfare cheats. Fortunately basic perspective, allows most of them to be debunked immediately.

What on earth are you rambling on about ? 🙂

Have you been quenching your thirst ?

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That reminds me...

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This picture has caused uproar in my village after someone posted it up on a noticeboard - accusations of election crimes and everything.

Most amusing 🙂

...Alex Salmond as Deputy PM ...

Closely followed by a re-enactment at thm towers of the scene from Mars Attacks! when the invaders discover country music 😆

The fact that Labour's biggest union donor uses zero hours contracts and 70 of their own MPs also use them tells you everything you need to know about the integrity of Ed Milliband and the party. We also shouldn't forget that Labour pledged to end them in 1995 and did absolutely nothing about them for the 13 years they were in power.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11510523/Labour-MPs-accused-of-hypocrisy-over-use-of-zero-hours-contracts.html

UKIPs are knobs but 60% of new HIV cases/diagnosed a year arent British Nationals?

That aint going to a burden or problem is it? Political point scoring aside that is worrying.

If you run a business how many of the 7 would you want working for you?

And we want such people running or interfering in large parts of our lives? Bizarre

None.

Clegg out of the blocks attacking was funny. A desperate man knowing they could slip further so had to be rude (I felt) at points in his questions to Wallace & Cameron.

I have a sneaking sympathy for Clegg and on balance think the Coalition has not done too badly all things considered. Then he presented an almost sturgeon-esque fantasy list at the end which meant that evaporated quite quickly. Still like Akexander he may be looking for a new job soon.

The SNP use of the term "fiscal responsibility" was the comedy highlight of the night, closely followed by Milliband's look into my eyes approach. Spooky. Dave obviously told to try and stand aloof and be statesmanlike but meant he seemed uncomfortable and detached to me.

Like ZHC issue, Farrages nonsense about HIV simply requires some perspective.

NW, with a £6k cap coming how are the HW invites to US (and other) students taking shape. Looks like grade requirements for Sassenachs have been eased a couple of notches this year too.

Nothing much to say about the 'debate' other than I especially liked Nigel Farage's tribute to Chris Morris with his rant about foreign AIDS. I couldn't quite help think about what people in other countries must've thought about this motley collection of people who have somehow become our 'leaders'. And to think we laugh at the Americans.

So 60% of new diagnosis arent non British/EU?

The polls following the debates were quite interesting. Given that nationally the SNP would poll at around 4%, Nicola Sturgeon's ratings are pretty stunning. Loathe as I am to admit it the only other leader who rated higher than their election polling was Farage.

just5minutes - Member

The fact that Labour's biggest union donor uses zero hours contracts and 70 of their own MPs also use them tells you everything you need to know about the integrity of Ed Milliband and the party.

Only there is no evidence that Labour's biggest union donor, Unite, uses zero hours contracts. The smear campaign by the Tory press and Tory supporters like yourself is based on one individual case which at the moment is the subject of an employment tribunal appeal.

The tribunal found that the individual who ran courses for the union was engaged on a series of short-term contracts. The tribunal did not find that he was employed on a zero hour contract, that allegation is being made by Unite's detractors.

But even if it were the case that Labour's biggest union donor was found to be at fault, it is actually possible - sometimes institutions are at fault you know, think the police, the NHS, etc, how on earth does that question "the integrity of Ed Milliband and the party" ffs?

Making the practice of enforced zero hours illegal after 12 weeks means that [u]everyone[/u], including trade unions, will fall foul of the law. It actually shows quite a lot of integrity by Ed Milliband and the party.

BTW your link merely reports that the Sun newspaper makes an "accusation" and "alleges" that 68 Labour MPs use zero hour contracts, hardly the most convincing unbiased evidence one can imagine of.

Still if it's true, the fact that a Labour government will introduce legislation to give individuals the right to a regular contract after 12 weeks of working regular hours, irrespective of the effect on MPs, should be celebrated, not condemned.

The tribunal found that the individual who ran courses for the union was engaged on a series of short-term contracts. The tribunal did not find that he was employed on a zero hour contract, that allegation is being made by Unite's detractors.

How many hours work did the 'series of contracts' (which the tribunal found made him an employee rather than self employed) guarantee him?

the fact that a Labour government will introduce legislation to give individuals the right to a regular contract after 12 weeks of working regular hours

It's not a fact if it hasn't happened and I'll believe it when I see it.

As I said, it really doesn't matter. The best that the Tory press could find was one example which is in the subject of an appeal. And was not found to be a ZHC.

But either way makes no difference. If Miliband intends to make illegal a practice which it is alleged benefits his largest trade union donor then I find impossible to understand how that questions his "integrity".

I liked the nice Welsh lady but otherwise wouldn't see any as leaders of a top ten nation.

In fact I'm still in favour of doing away with parlimentary constituencies, restructuring all councils as unitary and electing someone from each county to represent us in a European parliment.

Turn Westminster into some nice flats and build a new meeting place for the county reps near somewhere central like Doncaster or Wakefield.

So, how many hours work did the 'series of contracts' that Unite claimed did not make him an employee, guarantee him then?

I seem to recall mutuality of obligation and Carmichael v national power being the test here (?)

So 60% of new diagnosis arent non British/EU?

How many people does that equate to in real terms? Are those people paying taxes and NI?.

Only then will we know if these people are a 'burden', though I'd suspect not.

[quote=wilburt ]I liked the nice Welsh lady but otherwise wouldn't see any as leaders of [b][i]a top ten nation[/i][/b]. 🙄

I'd like to see the facts though rather than Liberal apologism for fear of sounding racist etc.

Theres seems to be a air of 'Im not touching that with a bargepole' already in councils and government over sensitive issues.

The two muppets who jumped on Farrage last night should have answered 'lets delve into that further' to pick apart his agenda or arguement but instead went for the blanket attack. ****s

It's just a way of saying its a responsible job, nothing more.

The funny ? Thing is hora, who gives a fudge where someone with HIV comes from I'm happy for my tax money to be spent helping them

Was it Sturgeon who said something about treating them like a human being?

Thats why its racist because you are devaluing someones life based on where they come from

I'd like to see the facts though rather than Liberal apologism for fear of sounding racist etc.

Well the fact is that most HIV sufferers are gay which is all you need to know

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BTW hora .....

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The funny ? Thing is hora, who gives a fudge where someone with HIV comes from I'm happy for my tax money to be spent helping them

Estimated 25 million sub-Saharan Africans living with HIV

I reckon that could screw up the NHS waiting times a bit....

IRATS..
But after a brief perusal, none of the seven screwed up disastrously, everyone has has their prejudices confirmed, no-one has changed their mind one jot and it was all a complete waste of time.

Hora

Page nine seems to roughly support Farage

ninfan - Member
Estimated 25 million sub-Saharan Africans living with HIV

I reckon that could screw up the NHS waiting times a bit..

Fortunately south Africa and kenya at least have their own decent treatment programmes (coz they buy their antiretrovirals from generic manufacturers)

Of course if you lie awake at night fearing the country is being overrun by AIDS riddled foreign folk then vote farige by all means

Can't believe I have to post this, but it's an opportunity not to be missed..

Page nine seems to roughly support Farage

When you say "seems to roughly support Farage" do you mean it shows that Farage got the figure for new cases of HIV wrong, failed to mention that news cases are significantly declining, and that his 60% figure is bollocks ?

From your link Z-11 :

[i]The proportion of new HIV diagnoses reported among people born in Africa halved from 54% in 2004 to 25% in 2013.[/i]

Is that what you mean by 'page nine seems to roughly support Farage' ?

The funny ? Thing is hora, who gives a fudge where someone with HIV comes from I'm happy for my tax money to be spent helping them

Because Hora, a lot of them will be illegals and its better to treat them than scare them off with hospital charges as it reduces risk to the rest of the population.

Its not liberal apologism, its common sense which the right appears to lack.

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Isn't the Welsh NHS in a bit of a state at the minute?

It's creaking under the pressure from boatloads of HIV riddled invaders.

Don't forget to vote for the man who knows how to smile and hold a pint, he'll sort the NHS out.

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Of course he'll solve the problem by just scrapping the NHS :

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html ]Nigel Farage: NHS might have to be replaced by private health insurance[/url]

And encouraging people to smoke. After all drinking and smoking hasn't done him any harm, it's just nanny state/health and safety gawn mad, innit?