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The israelis will take that deadline to the wire. and only implement it in the last few seconds at midnight on the last day, just so they can maximize the damage it will do to the Palestinian people.
More likely they will completely ignore it, like they completely ignored every other deadline or demand, knowing full well that the US are not serious in their claims that they want the genocide to stop.
^^^
Basically this.
The UK (as a lap dog to the US who haven't got the balls to rein Netanyahu in) might as well adopt a policy of shutting the door and averting our eyes to whatever Israel wants to do to the Palestinian people.
We can use the time making sure our internal and external intelligence services are as fit for purpose as they can be - given the inevitable backlash here, when Israel is happy with its body count.
About 11 months ago I would have argued that the sheer intensity of Israel's bombardment of Gaza, and the accompanying slaughter of men, women, and children, was down to the fact that Israel's far-right government knew that they had a limited window of opportunity before global opinion would make it impossible for them to carry on. So better to destroy and kill as much as you can whilst the world lets you get away with it.
If I had been forced to to suggest how long this window of opportunity might last I would probably have suggested somewhere in the region of about three months before the headlines became too damaging for Israel.
How wrong I was. Certainly global public opinion has shifted massively against Israel as too have the positions of governments such as those in Ireland and Spain, but there appears to be no limit to what the governments of the United States, the UK, Germany, etc, are prepared to tolerate.
Indeed it would appear that this inaction and tolerance by Western governments has achieved the opposite and simply emboldened the apartheid regime to commit even more war crimes and crimes against humanity, as evidenced by the expulsion of UNRWA and the implementation of the "general's plan".
None of this will bring peace and security to Israel of course. There will never be peace in the absence of justice.
Bil Clinton speaking to Arab Americans. The Democrats really do want to lose, don't they ?
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1851847099056291892?s=46&t=0EdQH2VaJpSkNmaw8CsUvg
He makes a lot of good points.
For example ? It's just an orgy of revisionism, lies and victim-blaming from beginning to end.
I would probably have suggested somewhere in the region of about three months before the headlines became too damaging for Israel.
The Middle East has been on fire for most of my lifetime, literally millions have been killed by any number of hate filled anti democratic and autocratic regimes. The death tolls for the Yemeni and Syrian civil wars are approaching 20 times what they are in Gaza, and those conflicts are virtually invisible in western media, Netenyahu's awful gamble- that people killing each other in the region is ubiquitous to the point of invisibility, has mostly turned out to be correct.
that people killing each other in the region is ubiquitous to the point of invisibility, has mostly turned out to be correct.
Mostly correct? Maybe the problem is the people who live in that region of the world.
Unless you can think of one war in the Middle East, in your lifetime, in which "literally millions have been killed", that didn't involve the United States or Europe in some way?
Some people might argue that "the West" should perhaps **** off and stop military interventions, stoking up civil wars, organising coups, and general political interference, in the Middle East.
Although that might run counter to vital Western interests obviously. So maybe better to just blame the victims of Western sponsored violence instead.
He makes a lot of good points
Not really, otherwise Arafat would have accepted the two states solution.
There were there first? The Banu/Bani Israeli were there first ("original") but they were expelled or banished twice and their blood line almost disappeared after centuries of banishment. The current ones are not Banu/Bani Israeli nor people from the region but Zionists supported by oppressive regimes. Eventually, they (Zionists) will be expelled again but this time there will be no return, and that's the reason why they try to eradicate the Palestinian population to avoid being banished for good.
It is astonishing that some Western politicians, including the current UK Foreign Secretary (who is a member of Labour Friends of Israel) are still refusing to call this a genocide:
'Death is everywhere’: fears grow that Israel plans to seize land in Gaza
In the past week, Kamal Adwan was raided by the IDF, its medics detained, and then, after the soldiers withdrew, the hospital was bombed, destroying supplies recently delivered by the World Health Organization (WHO).
Idan Landau, a Tel Aviv University linguistics professor and political commentator, wrote on his blog, Don’t Die Stupid, that “the ultimate goal of the plan is not military but political – resettling Gaza”.
The UN secretary general, António Guterres, called on Wednesday for the international community to stand firm to prevent “ethnic cleansing” in Gaza, but the US and other western allies of Israel have so far been reluctant to use the leverage of their arms supplies to influence policy.
Western politicians obviously have no serious interest in stopping genocide and ethnic cleansing, as long as the country doing it is Israel.
Unless you can think of one war in the Middle East, in your lifetime, in which “literally millions have been killed”, that didn’t involve the United States or Europe in some way?
Given that historically most Arabic states in the region are armed with ex-Soviet and Russian military equipment, in an decades long propaganda attempt to turn pan-Arabic Ba'athist parties into clients after the USSR's failure to 'win-over' Isreali in the early 60's - hence the common place anti Israeli rhetoric, it's a pretty safe bet to say all the wars in the middle east have had their cold-war origins outside the region.
Western politicians obviously have no serious interest in stopping genocide and ethnic cleansing, as long as the country doing it is Israel.
That can’t be right. Sir Keir has told us many times that he is “concerned “ about the “loss of life”. Are you suggesting that he’s …. lying ?
it’s a pretty safe bet to say all the wars in the middle east have had their cold-war origins outside the region.
Nonsense. Are you seriously suggesting that the US sponsored Iraq-Iran War, for example, had anything to do with the Cold War??
If you are desperate to find a common denominator I would suggest that "oil" is a more realistic one.
Sorry for the cut&paste post, but this post by Michael Rosen made me even more depressed than i was before, and I thought I'd share the misery
I was on the demonstration today and listened to the speeches. I think that plenty of people are getting it wrong. I don't think that the US and the UK are 'complicit' with what Israel is doing. I don't the the US and the UK are 'collaborating'. I don't even really think that the US and the UK are 'supplying arms'. To me, these words don't explain what has happened this last year and is happening right now. For those words to make sense ('complicit', 'collaborate', 'supply'), it would suggest that the US and the UK are doing Israel a favour, or are leaping in to 'help' Israel.
But objectively, the US (and its allies) have gone beyond being complicit, collaborating, and supplying. The vast tonnage of bombs, the massive use of US aircraft, drones, munitions and high tech back-up, can, to my mind, only be interpreted as the US (and allies including us) doing this for its own reasons. What's going on is an enactment of US policy.
If I'm right (and I accept I may not be), it would mean a realignment of how we view what's going on. It would mean dropping the pretence that the US is a mediator, and/or a supporter. What's going on would not be a matter of Israel drawing up new boundaries, carrying out mass slaughter, widening the area of conflict to include all the surrounding areas, but it would be US policy. It would mean us seeing what's going on as stages in how the US would like the Middle East to be this year, next year and for the next years.
If true, this would take me to thinking ahead to something else. Many in the US administration now accept that the Iraq War was a mistake. It was a sudden, unprovoked, blitz-type war. Perhaps, the US is envisaging something different this time: a long-term war fought in terms of constant small-scale warfare against Iran and its allies, exhausting and crushing them under the weight of superior, almost inexhaustible firepower. Unlike the Iraq War, this time the US has a skilled, experienced, highly motivated ally on the ground. Note: not like the decaying, corrupt puppets of the South Vietnam government, but an ideological force, (Israel) whose views hold sway in most of the western governments and western populations. But to the point, they're there, on the ground, ready and able to do the bombing, to seize the land, and to justify it.
Behind all this, lies a question why? This can't feasibly be, (as people like Douglas Murray insist it is) about 'values' ie Judeo-Christianity vs Islam. Would a modern state feasibly spend billions on fighting for Christianity against Islam? There must be material reasons lying behind this onslaught, which the ideological stuff about 'values' can be used to justify what's going on. Clearly the Middle East holds within it vast resources that the US and allies believe ('know'?) they need and/or have some control over its production and distribution. In addition is the power of what we've come to call the 'military-industrial' complex. Built into the US government and economy is this huge chunk of never-ending production and profit-making. What we call 'tech' is a huge part of this complex too. In one sense, the US administration and government serves the purpose of making sure that the military-industrial complex gets its contracts, uses up its 'products' (guns, bombs, planes, drones, tech), gets new contracts, on and on and on. In other words, when the government commits to war, it gives the complex what it wants.
So, coming back to where I started, I think we're getting it wrong, if we think the US is 'complicit' or 'collaborating'. Instead, we should think of it as 'pursuing', 'driving', 'carrying out' war (or wars) in the Middle East, informed by what didn't work before, trying to make this one (these ones) work better.
And, if we turn that round 180 degrees, it means that in effect, the Palestinians are fighting against the mercenary forces of the US.
I understand why the left has tended to construct 'Israel' or 'Zionism' and 'Zionists' as the enemy but I'm now of the feeling that this is misleading. Thinking of what's going on in that way, draws us into how Israel and Zionism sees it - a local fight for the self-determination of the Jews. I see the left dragged into endless arguments about the nature of the Israeli state, the origins of Zionism, or the nature of the Balfour Agreement etc etc. I'm now of the view even if that was all relevant before, it's no longer relevant. What's going on now is much more like the Vietnam War, other than that US pilots are not actually flying the planes, and US men and women are not 'on the ground'. They don't need to be because the aims and objectives of the people who are on the ground are a perfect match for the aims and objectives of the US, with none of the flakiness of the South Vietnamese.As I say, this is only me thinking aloud. I know there are strong disagreements with this view. I know there are people who would prefer something more nuanced - and I accept that it may have been more nuanced in the past. However, this is my view of where we are now as of 2024.
Sorry for the cut&paste post, but this post by Michael Rosen made me even more depressed than i was before, and I thought I’d share the misery
Ilan Pappe has been saying much the same for the previous year, all too depressing to consider the outcome of all this
made me even more depressed than i was before, and I thought I’d share the misery
I am not sure why it might have made you more depressed than before as he seems to be saying something which appears fairly obvious imo, ie, Israel serves US interests. It is not the other way round as many seem to think.
US foreign policy isn't dictated by the"zionist lobby" it is dictated by US interests. I can't remember which anti-zionist Israeli Jew it was, maybe Ilan Pappe, who made the point that Israelis are used to serve US interests whether they realise it or not.
The problem for Israel is that although it has existed in a region which has been of vital importance to the United States for the last 50 years that importance is diminishing and it is likely to continue doing so in the future. I can see a point in the future when the US no longer feels that propping up Israel makes a lot of political and financial sense. US capitalism doesn't do nostalgia.
Edit :
Ilan Pappe has been saying much the same for the previous year
Yeah, was waylaid whilst writing my comment and didn't see that
Nonsense. Are you seriously suggesting that the US sponsored Iraq-Iran War, for example, had anything to do with the Cold War??
I suppose it depends on your definition of "Cold War". Does global proxy warfare between US (+allies) and USSR (+allies) 1947-1991 work?
If you are desperate to find a common denominator I would suggest that “oil” is a more realistic one.
It certainly was for the USSR, who had a 1967 agreement for Iraq to supply USSR with oil in exchange for weapons
After the 1979 Iranian revolution USSR saw the opportunity to get Iran onside as well and was officially neutral.
The 1980 war was a huge problem to the USSR in fostering relations with both sides, although they allowed allies to continue their trade in Soviet arms.
When Iran got the upper hand in 1982 the USSR increased support to Iraq to protect their interests there and directly increased the arms trade again in 1986 leading to Iraq's victory
Cold War? Yes
Oil? Yes
Just the US (+allies)? No
The Iraq-Iran War had no more to do with the Cold War than the Algerian War or the First Gulf War or other wars which involved Western powers. Western military and political interference in the Middle East was/is motivated primarily by a desire for cheap oil and compliant, preferably undemocratic, regimes.
The Soviet Union and the Cold War are no longer but Western military and political interference continues unabated. The Middle East has the unfortunate disadvantage of being strategically and economically important to the advanced capitalist countries, that is why post ottoman empire there have been so many wars in the region. It has nothing to do with the claim that "people killing each other in the region is ubiquitous to the point of invisibility".
The Soviet Union and the Cold War are no longer but Western military and political interference continues unabated.
All true. But pretending that only "Western" powers are involved is misrepresentation (you know enough for it not to be ignorance or naivety).
I am not pretending anything. I am challenging the concept that the peoples of the Middle East are somehow inherently committed to war and violence.
It smacks of islamophobia and conveniently ignores decades of Western military and political interference in the region.
Edit : Just for clarity I fully accept that Cold War politics has undeniably played a part in the past. But to suggest that it is the only reason for Western inference in the region is both false and misleading.
All I see is you suggesting that Russia isn’t involved, or implicated.
See my edit. I thought the role of competing powers was self-evident and not really necessary to acknowledge.
What isn't self-evident to me is the claim that the people in the region have an innate tendency to go war. Unless you believe that Islam fosters a culture of war and violence.
A good edit. But it’s not just about “the past”, Russia is a key player in the region right now, and Western powers don’t have the option to stop “interfering” without leaving the door wide open for other powers from outside the region to take advantage.
What isn’t self-evident to me is the claim that the people in the region have an innate tendency to go war.
The “people”, no. But stability in the region has been rare, and the point being made was that the Cold War, and what has come since it, has played a part in that, and still does. It’s not just “western powers” and “capitalism” that is uniquely to blame, far from it.
Cold War? Yes
Oil? Yes
Just the US (+allies)? No
All this is easy to agree with.
Slightly buried in the news by the US election but I find this interesting. Gallant seems to be less extreme than Netanyahu (all things bring relative) and had a lot of public support the last time he was fired. Too much to hope that he could provide an alternative to Netanyahu with his preference to get the hostages back?
BBC News - Israel PM Netanyahu fires defence minister Gallant
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqj07jdzzgno
Ireland approves first Palestine ambassador after recognising Palestinian state
After Dublin formally recognised a Palestinian state earlier this year, Ireland on Tuesday accepted the appointment of a full Palestinian ambassador for the first time.
Spain and Norway made the same declaration on the same day as Ireland, with Slovenia following a week later, prompting retaliatory measures from Israel.
Bit by bit Israel's international isolation grows.
Good news with the ambassador, and the UK should be doing the same.
That shouldn’t have to mean isolation for Israel, but it is a step towards proper recognition for Palestine.
Whether it should or should not is a moot point, Israel's growing international isolation is clear and obvious.
BBC ran an article on perceptions of either a Harris or Trump presidency.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2yv9k3mpmo
And as it's looking like a Trump win.
Mr Trump has framed ending the war in terms of Israel’s “victory”, and has opposed an immediate ceasefire in the past, reportedly telling Netanyahu “do what you have to do”.
I'm not sure when they made that statement, but I dont see much for optimism for the next 4 years (not that either candidate offered me much hope).
So the announcement went down well:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqj07jdzzgnoIf nothing else, it exposes that recovering the hostages (sadly I can't imagine many are still alive) is not a priority for Netanyahu.
Just in case there is anyone left who still believes that what the racist apartheid regime is doing in Gaza is a military operation and nothing to do with ethnic cleansing :
Palestinians will not be allowed to return to homes in northern Gaza, says IDF
Israeli ground forces are getting closer to “the complete evacuation” of northern Gaza and residents will not be allowed to return home, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said, in what appears to be the first official acknowledgment from Israel it is systematically removing Palestinians from the area.
How many more war crimes does Israel have to commit before the UK government stops supporting them?
Bit by bit Israel’s international isolation grows.
Looks like Israeli propaganda machine in full overdrive and it is clearly working.
It’s an open and shut case of hooliganism and racism by Israeli fans. If any other club had done that they’d be looking at a stiff sanction.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cgerp2d5pn5o.amp
Seems more likely a bunch of Israeli football hooligans wanted a fight and a bunch of pro Palestinian protestors kindly obliged.
I also understand UEFA have stopped any sanctioned match in Israel.
So it turns out that Israel's response to a US ultimatum to increase aid into Gaza is to in fact reduce the aid.
Could Israel show any greater contempt, and could the US look any more spineless?
Aid to Gaza falls to lowest level in 11 months despite US ultimatum to Israel
The amount of aid reaching Gaza has dropped to the lowest level since December, official Israeli figures show, despite the US having issued a 30-day ultimatum last month threatening sanctions if there was no increase in humanitarian supplies reaching the territory.
In October, 57 trucks a day were allowed to cross into Gaza on average – far short of the 350 trucks a day demanded by the US and the 600 a day that aid agencies say are necessary to meet basic needs.
The US has previously demanded that Israel allow in more aid but done little to enforce its requests, even reportedly ignoring its own agencies after they concluded that Israel had deliberately blocked deliveries of food and medicine to Gaza.
US law requires that weapons shipments be cut off to countries that prevent the delivery of US-backed aid.
Presumably US law makes an exception if the country speaks Hebrew rather than Arabic?
US law requires that weapons shipments be cut off to countries that prevent the delivery of US-backed aid.
It's similar to their reluctance to call Rwanda a "genocide". Once you call it genocide, the law requires you to act. There was an amazing press conference the other day - journalists speechless in the face of the lies and gaslighting.
That BBC link doesn’t mention Isreal at all.
No, the point of the link was just to evidence what UEFA can do when it wants to. Of course punishing Israeli hooligans is "antisemitism", so they won't do that.
I posted this in the Trump thread but it should have been here really:
Incase anyone’s in any doubt which direction Trump is going to head in regard to Israel and Gaza:
As we’ve been reporting, Mike Huckabee is Donald Trump’s pick to be the next US ambassador to Israel
The former Arkansas governor and Baptist minister made his first trip to Israel in 1973 and has since led dozens of Christian missions to the country, with whom he he has declared a “visceral, personal” connection. During a 2018 visit, he donned a hard hat and laid bricks for a new housing complex in the West Bank settlement of Efrat, saying he “might one day like to purchase a holiday home” there.
In his first run for president in 2008, Huckabee said: “There’s really no such thing as a Palestinian.” When he ran again in 2016, before dropping out and endorsing Trump, he vowed to back the expansion of settlements in the West Bank, which he called “an integral part” of Israel
So, yeah…
No, the point of the link was just to evidence what UEFA can do when it wants to. Of course punishing Israeli hooligans is “antisemitism”, so they won’t do that.
I think you are missing the point that it takes UEFA months to consider a case and issue sanctions. I agree that any the Israeli and Dutch clubs should be sanctioned for the violence and/or racism of their fans. The fact that it hasn't happened yet is not evidence of a cover up as you seem to be implying.
I think you are missing the point that it takes UEFA months to consider a case and issue sanctions. I agree that any the Israeli and Dutch clubs should be sanctioned for the violence and/or racism of their fans. The fact that it hasn’t happened yet is not evidence of a cover up as you seem to be implying.
I'll bear that in mind. But I'm not holding my breath.
Yep, definitely the right man for the job.
Mike Huckabee once said that ‘there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian’
US: "You absolutely must have implemented these 15 things by 13th November or we will definitely suspend some arms supplies this time. We're, like, really cross now".
Israel: "We've not done them. We've made token efforts at the easy ones and ignored the others. We're going to pretend we have, you know otherwise. Soz and all that".
US: "Well, that thing about arms supplies. We're actually going to carry on 'as is'. But we think you ought to stop the war soon".
Israel (covering the phone mouthpiece and laughing whilst making the internationally recognised sign for 'tosser' to muffled laughs in the room): "Oh yes. Absolutely. We know you aren't messing around here. We'll get onto stopping the war right away".
US puts the phone down and sighs feeling cheap and dirty.
Israel puts the phone down and ignores it.
No doubt Israel will brand the testimony of Nizam Mamode as an antisemitic slur on the most moral army in the world, one thing for sure is he will not be allowed back into Gaza.
Matt Gaetz, the new attorney general:
In 2018, he brought a right-wing Holocaust denier to the State of the Union, and later tried to expel two fathers who lost children in a mass shooting from a hearing after they objected to a claim he made about gun control.
So not keen on Jews it's probably fair to say.
Then we have the new secretary of state, Rubio:
Rubio is against a ceasefire in Gaza, and has said he wants Israel to destroy the Palestinian group Hamas.
So he's not keen on Palestinians it's fair to say.
I mean, does Trump think two wrong'uns make a right'un here?
Who to hate the most has sometimes been a difficult conundrum for those who follow far-right hate-based ideologies.
Hating black people presents no obvious problems but when you also hate Jews and Muslims it all becomes a little bit more complex.
Although Muslims are generally easier to identify than Jews American neo-nazis have a long tradition of hating Jews dating back to the early pro-nazi sympathies of ethnic German Americans.
^^ I have to "marvel" at how trump has managed to sell different hated to different groups whilst still increasing his vote share. Pick 'n' mix hate.
It's like a shared hypnosis to allow them to only hear the incitements that apply to them and ignore the rest.
Well Sir Keir says he is clear that there is no genocide taking place, so that’s settled, then.
^^ I have to “marvel” at how trump has managed to sell different hated to different groups whilst still increasing his vote share. Pick ‘n’ mix hate.
We’ve done something similar here with Schrodinger’s Immigrant who simultaneously lives on benefits and steals your job.
Well Sir Keir says he is clear that there is no genocide taking place, so that’s settled, then.
Kier is obviously turning a blind eye to Israel/IDF shooting children in the head whilst they laugh about it/keep a score card, the Israeli lobby and money in this country obviously buys morals on the cheap
the Israeli lobby and money in this country obviously buys morals on the cheap
Please don't push the 'Israeli lobby and money buys Western governments' line. Not only does it feed the anti-semitic global Jewish conspiracy theory but it isn't true.
The reason that Western governments support the horrific and criminal Israeli apartheid regime is simply because they believe that it serves Western interests to do so, it has nothing to do with Israeli money. And the Israeli "lobby" exists purely to remind Western governments how important it allegedly is to support Israel.
Pol Pot didn't have a pot to piss in (pun intended) and yet Western governments, including the UK, still supported his genocidal and barbaric regime. Because they believed that it served Western interests to do.
Israel is the West's client/colonial state in the Middle East. It is not the other way round.
Please don’t push the ‘Israeli lobby and money buys Western governments’ line. Not only does it feed the anti-semitic global Jewish conspiracy theory but it isn’t true.
Really?, you are conflating Israeli vs Jewish which are very different. The Israeli lobby in this country is a real entity that has been reported on, you have AIPAC in the U.S. as well.
Obviously it does not control policy but it does exert a malign influence over reporting and the silencing of journalists
I believe you posted this link to an interview with Ilan Pappe a while ago
you are conflating Israeli vs Jewish which are very different.
No not at all, I haven't mentioned anything about Jews. I am simply attempting to point out that that talk of Israeli money buying governments is risky because it feeds this global zionist conspiracy theory which is much pushed by the anti-semitic far-right.
Yes much of the current Cabinet have received funds from zionist sources but that is because they are highly sympathetic to Israel anyway and zionists would rather have politicians sympathetic to Israel in positions of power. So helping them in their election campaign obviously helps Israel. It isn't because they have been "bought" by Israel.
To repeat the point, many Western politicians believe that propping up Israel serves Western economic and geopolitical interests and the plight of the Palestinians doesn't rank very highly in their priorities, zionists exploit that, they don't however dictate Western policies.
And I am fully aware of the zionist lobby, no one has mentioned hasbara more than me on this thread. But again, to repeat a point, it exists to remind and propagate the idea that propping up Israel allegedly serves Western interests. It helps to spread the narrative that Israelis are Western educated settler-colonialists who share a common culture with the West in a region which is vital to Western interests but mostly under the control of hostile indigenous peoples. But they aren't the authors of that narrative.
The West owes nothing to Israel and Israel owes everything to the West. Even if Israelis are knowingly or unwittingly pawns of Western neocolonialism.
Here’s the inspiring Francesca Albanese laying out the facts regarding Israel’s occupation and genocide
Yes much of the current Cabinet have received funds from zionist sources but that is because they are highly sympathetic to Israel anyway and zionists would rather have politicians sympathetic to Israel in positions of power. So helping them in their election campaign obviously helps Israel. It isn’t because they have been “bought” by Israel
I’m not sure there’s much of a difference between “helping” a friendly politician and “buying” one. Both subvert the democratic process and prolong the agony of colonialism.
Most republics have an AIPAC minder, according to this guy:
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Most republics have an AIPAC minder, according to this guy:
Bassem Yousef also lays out the influence here,
I’m not sure there’s much of a difference between “helping” a friendly politician and “buying” one.
There is an important difference between the two imo. Those politicians who unwaveringly support Israel to the hilt whilst it openly commits genocide do so not because they receive funding from zionist sources (which many in the current Cabinet do) but because of an ideological commitment to neo-colonialism and the last Western colony in the third world.
Even if the funding stopped they would still parrot the "Israel has the right to defend itself" line, as it commits genocide. They haven't been corrupted by financial inducements, they have been corrupted by a twisted worldview, an important distinction imo.
Those politicians who unwaveringly support Israel to the hilt whilst it openly commits genocide do so not because they receive funding from zionist sources (which many in the current Cabinet do) but because of an ideological commitment to neo-colonialism and the last Western colony in the third world.
These things are not unrelated. AIPAC and other groups poor money into pro-Israeli candidates' campains, and fund attack ads etc. against candidates they don't like (like anyone calling for a ceasefire in Gaza).
They help to embedd the ideological commitments you rightly highlight into the goverment. From their perspective, it's probably much easier to help get ideologues into power than to pay people to believe in things they don't.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/pro-israel-groups-spent-big-oust-squad-members/story?id=113675889
"An Islamic scholar in Gaza has issued a legal ruling – or fatwa – denouncing the October 7 2023 attack on Israel by Hamas. Salman al-Dayah’s fatwa condemned Hamas’s actions for violating Islamic principles governing jihad, because they resulted in harm to Israeli and Gazan civilians."
"This fatwa is significant for at least three reasons. First, the ruling suggests divided opinion about Hamas’s actions among Gaza’s population of 2.2 million. Second, the fatwa represents the latest attempt by prominent Islamic scholars to develop a form of counter-terrorism rooted in religious teaching. And third, the condemnation of the October 7 attacks opens up debates on whether criticism of Hamas – proscribed by the US and UK governments as a terrorist organisation – risks undermining efforts to secure justice and prosperity for all Palestinians."
Read the above article about a documentary film built around leaked tapes of Bibi where it’s clear that the Gaza war is continuing because it’s his way of avoiding being taken to court over corruption allegations. Also, it’s the support from the ultra-Right encouraging the ethnic cleansing of Palestine so the land can be stolen by settlers, which has been going on for years, which then encouraged Hamas to fight back, this giving Bibi all the excuses he needs to continue his genocide against the Palestinian people.
There’s a clear connection between Bibi and Trump in their claims of “hey, I’m the victim here!”.
There’s a clear connection between Bibi and Trump in their claims of “hey, I’m the victim here!”.
I believe that is an inherent characteristic of narcissists/psychopaths, they invariably see themselves as victims.
"The US has vetoed a UN security council push to call for a ceasefire in Gaza that Washington said would have emboldened Hamas."
So there you have it, after a year of relentless slaughter the United States admits that Hamas are nowhere near to being defeated, otherwise they wouldn't worry about Hamas being "emboldened".
All those billions of dollars worth of the most advanced weaponry on earth, against a barely armed opponent, has resulted in the total destruction of Gaza but not Hamas.
So they are going to carry on with more of the same... killing tens of thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children. And Joe Biden will of course continue to complain that Israel must do more to protect civilians, as he guarantees that the IDF are armed to the teeth to carry out their genocide.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/20/un-gaza-vote-veto
"Once again, the US used its veto to ensure impunity for Israel as its forces continue to commit crimes against Palestinians in Gaza,” Human Rights Watch said.
The territory needs to be split up , simple as that.
With all the killing I think the jews and muslims need to step back, A lot.
It's just going to go on forever unless the stupid reigious people can sit down and talk about it in a pragmatic way rather than getting all het up about sky gods.
Isreal certainly needs to give land back to palestine, and quite a bit.
I think you mean Israelis, not Jews. Plenty of Jews have nothing to do with the genocide being carried out.
Edit : I see that you have edited your post to include Muslims now, this isn't Jews v Muslims. This is Israelis/zionists v Palestinians. This is not a religious war - Netanyahu is not motivated by religion and IDF snipers are not making any distinction between Muslim and Christian Palestinians.
I think you mean Israelis, not Jews. Plenty of Jews have nothing to do with the genocide being carried out.
Sorry, my bad.
I'm just so frustrated as there doesn't seem to be any end game, it's just all fighting. On and on it goes, and for what?
Yeah I know what you mean. Although I am probably more aware than the average person of the huge Jewish involvement in support of Palestinians so I tend to be more sensitive to generalisations.
And that awareness has IME certainly filtered down to the Muslim community locally, there is now enormous recognition that so many Jews are on the side of Palestinians, something which a lot of people have only really realised in the last year.
Religion is the problem...and I say that to Hindus, and Christians too.
If you base your psycology on something that is objectivley stupid, you're always going to get a stupid outcome.
No religion is used as an excuse.
Then remove the excuse.
That's a really mealy mouthed cop-out.
Personaly I belive in freedom of religion, if stupid people want something to belive in, fine, but if it affects other people then it's very wrong.
We could make the same argument about russia trying to taking over Ukraine... it's the same thing but in reverse ideology.
We don't as a 'species' need to make war, we already posess the intelect and tehcnology to fix all of our problems right flipping now.
I’m just so frustrated as there doesn’t seem to be any end game, it’s just all fighting. On and on it goes, and for what?
How can there be end game when the West supports the oppressor?
Religion is the problem…and I say that to Hindus, and Christians too.
I have never heard of any religion (teachings) initiating wars, but I have heard of people using religion to start wars.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/27/israel-hezbollah-ceasefire-begins-biden-lebanon-iran
Lebanon ceasefire, nothing much on progress for Gaza.
The deal will not have any direct effect on the fighting in Gaza, where US efforts to broker a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas have not led to a deal. The negotiations over Tuesday’s ceasefire were reportedly facilitated by a decision to decouple them from the Gaza talks, where the conflict remains intractable.
On and on it goes, and for what?
So the Israelis have more land. What did you think?