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It’s just one poster. Don’t bite, ignore.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 11:20 am
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It’s quite worrying

I'd certainly be worried about my reading comprehension if I imagined that any of those things had been written.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 12:39 pm
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There are a few on here who need to look themselves in a mirror: celebrating the violent failure of the peace process, advocating for war, calling for Jews to be hunted down brutally,.no stone unturned!? This is well beyond anti semitism and utterly warped.

Who are they?, name them please otherwise you're shit stirring.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 1:08 pm
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There are a few on here who need to look themselves in a mirror: celebrating the violent failure of the peace process, advocating for war, calling for Jews to be hunted down brutally

You need to hit the report button, I am totally confident that anyone calling for Jews to be brutally hunted down will be banned.

But I suspect that your comment is just the usual zionist hyperbollocks which hysterically claims that any criticism of Israel and the slaughter it is currently carrying out in Gaza is anti-semitism.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 1:15 pm
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The post was actually

The day will come where Zionists will have no place to hide.  The phrase ‘no stone unturned’ come to mind.

And yes while we all know that Zionists != Jews, calling for any group to be hunted down and... (what? Killed? Imprisoned? All Zionists, brutally or otherwise?) is pushing the limits IMO.

And yes, no one here actually said anything anti-semitic but surely you can see how comments like that are pushing it and could be taken badly by anyone, at least at first glance, without it needing to be hysterical zionist hyperbollocks.

Both sides step back and calm down a bit perhaps so the thread can stay open?


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 2:37 pm
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And yes while we all know that Zionists != Jews, calling for any group to be hunted down and… (what? Killed? Imprisoned? All Zionists, brutally or otherwise?) is pushing the limits IMO.

No zionist does not equal Jew at all, and to say so is clearly racist. Some of the most outstanding anti zionists are Jewish. And some of the most committed zionists are not Jewish at all.

Your attempt to link the two and claim that they are both the same is exactly the same ploy as used by Netanyahu.

Yes of course zionists such as Netanyahu who are guilty of crimes should be hunted down, in the same way as Nazis guilty of crimes were hunted down, but it had **** all to do with anti German racism ffs


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 2:55 pm
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I think you need to review the meaning of the != symbol Ernie...

And yes, no one here actually said anything anti-semitic but surely you can see how comments like that are pushing it and could be taken badly by anyone

The term you're looking for is dog whistle.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 3:05 pm
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Here is a short clip by an outstanding anti zionist Jew

Ilan Pappe is also Israeli


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 3:05 pm
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You have completely misunderstood me. "!=" means "does not equal".

Probably my fault for using stupid programmer shorthand and should have been clearer, sorry!.

With that in mind, read the whole post again 😉


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 3:07 pm
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I think you need to review the meaning of the != symbol Ernie…

Not at all, the inference is crystal clear. It's an established zionist tactic. The Israeli use it all the time. And it is as racist as accusing a Jew who doesn't support apartheid of being a "self-hating Jew"


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 3:11 pm
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I don't quite see what you're getting at.

Equating Zionists and Jews is racist, therefore anyone who, as a Jew, gets nervous at people saying "hunt down all the Zionists, all over the world!!!" is a racist?

I don't know if it was intended as a dog whistle or not. Anyway, my point was simply "let's not call for all Zionists to get hunted down, shall we?" with a side point of "be careful with your comments".


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 3:17 pm
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Not all Zionists are Jews, I think that is what Ernie was saying, some of the most outlandish and hateful Zionists are evangelical Christians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 3:29 pm
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There's no sane reading of != that says "well they wrote the shorthand for 'not equal to' so it's crystal clear they mean 'is definitely equal to' "

This is why I can only stomach this thread once every few weeks. You're off your rockers, some of you


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 3:31 pm
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Zionism Does Not equate to all Jewish people.

Bani or Banu Israel are the people who lived in that region including Arab Jews and Arab Christians.

The current state of Israel is created from colonial time after WWI & WWII and not of Bani Israel.

There are many Persian (Iran) Jews current residing in Iran and they all live peacefully.

Even during Ottoman time the Jewish people were protected or given safe haven.

Then things change after WWI and WWII with colonial ambitions.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 4:07 pm
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The post was actually

So, nothing about "brutally hunted down". Thanks for clarifying.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 4:39 pm
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I don’t quite see what you’re getting at.

Equating Zionists and Jews is racist

Yup, absolutely. The assumption that someone is a zionist because they happen to be Jewish, or assuming that all zionists are Jewish, is racist.

How else would you describe it?

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Edit: And it is perfectly fair to describe the totally false claim that several people on this thread have called for Jews to be brutally hunted down as hyperbollocks.

How would you describe it.........a straightforward blatant lie?


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 4:49 pm
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Zionist and Jew are different terms, but are very much being used as a dog whistle here.

Nah, that's just a false allegation made by you, it's what zionists do - they simply lie about everything.

Watch this clip by a famous Jewish celebrity 3 mins 10 secs in :


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 5:27 pm
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Here is a short clip by an outstanding anti zionist Jew

For someone who said earlier that they don't think someone being Jewish "is in any way relevant", you certainly seem to jump on Jewish opinions when you find something to agree with.

But Ilan Pappe is a pretty fringe voice in that respect (even Finkelstein is a two-statist) and wanting an end to Israel is an extreme position to hold. How many Jews at the demo last Saturday want to see that, do you think? What about our new attorney general? I'd say Hermer's position is much closer to mine than yours.

I think the reason you struggle to understand other people’s views on this topic is that you don’t realise how extreme your own are. Most people want to see peace for Israel and Palestine, not no more Israel at all.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 5:32 pm
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Most people want to see peace for Israel and Palestine

Apart from most Israeli voters, obvs.

[Mod] A polite request to think carefully before you post.  The tone of some is offensive as well as antagonistic.  We look forward to your co-operation and a reminder to report any post that you consider has breached Forum Rules.  Thank you.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 5:38 pm
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For someone who said earlier that they don’t think someone being Jewish “is in any way relevant”, you certainly seem to jump on Jewish opinions when you find something to agree with.

No i don't think whether someone is Jewish is in anyway relevant to whether they are zionists or not, unlike obviously some people.

My clip of Alexi Sayle, and the previous one of Ilan Pappe, simply makes that point. I have no idea why you have a problem with me posting clips of Jews who are opposed to zionism apart from the rather obvious reason that you would prefer people didn't see them.

I have already stated that the most eloquent and persuasive critics of zionism are Jews, especially Israeli Jews. IMO this is firstly due to a deeply passionate commitment that zionists should not be allowed to claim that they are speaking on their behalf, and secondly because of a very profound and often fairly unique understanding of the zionist mindset.

I consider the speech made Gerald Kaufman made from the floor of the House of Commons denouncing zionist crimes probably the greatest I have heard from the HoC. Have you heard it? It's brilliant, I'll post it if you haven't.

And wait until you hear what Miko Peled, ex IDF Special Forces and son of an Israeli general, has to say about Zionism, I can post clips from him too.

As I said recently on this thread, this isn't Jews against Palestinians, it is zionists against Palestinians


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 7:27 pm
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On the subject of Gaza - I would certainly hope that the perpetrators of these crimes would be hunted down one day.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/05/palestinian-prisoners-describe-widespread-abuse-in-israels-jails

Violence, extreme hunger, humiliation and other abuse of Palestinian prisoners has been normalised across Israel’s jail system, according to Guardian interviews with released prisoners, with mistreatment now so systemic that rights group B’Tselem says it must be considered a policy of “institutionalised abuse”.

Former detainees described abuse ranging from severe beatings and sexual violence to starvation rations, refusal of medical care, and deprivation of basic needs including water, daylight, electricity and sanitation, including soap and sanitary pads for women.

In a months-long investigation, B’Tselem interviewed 55 former prisoners housed in 16 Israeli prison service jails and detention centres run by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), mapping the scale and nature of abuse. The highly respected Jerusalem-based group concluded that Israel’s prisons should now be labelled “torture camps”.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 7:39 pm
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It’s just one poster.

I take that back. I was not expecting chewkw’s cut and paste hate filled conspiracy theory stuff to result in anyone backing him up.

Don’t bite, ignore.

This is still good advice though, which I think I’d better try and follow myself from here on.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 8:52 pm
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hate filled conspiracy theory

Get a grip, there is nothing "hate filled" about chewkw's comment. As a non-native English speaker he sometimes uses terminology in a more unusual way but there is nothing vaguely 'hate filled' about it.

There is no way that STW would allow "hate filled" posts, as well you know.

And he is not suggesting any "conspiracy" at all, I have no idea what conspiracy theory you think he has suggested.

You are obviously unhappy with the opinions expressed by some on this thread and this presumably is what bothers you.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 9:20 pm
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Some really good news care of the new Labour government:

Arms export licences to Israel suspended by UK government

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/arms-export-licences-to-israel-suspended-by-uk-government-h17rhdf2

The British government has already begun to suspend arms export licences to Israel while ministers carry out a policy review, evidence seen by the JC confirms.

In December, then Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch decided not to halt export licences to Israel on the grounds that there was not at present a clear risk that items exported to the IDF “might be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international humanitarian law”.


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 9:30 pm
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That is good news. Need to see the detail though, very little goes direct to Israel from the UK, what about our part in the supply chains of the big suppliers, the USA and Germany?


 
Posted : 05/08/2024 10:01 pm
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I have no idea why you have a problem with me posting clips of Jews who are opposed to zionism apart from the rather obvious reason that you would prefer people didn’t see them.

It's really OK with me if you post opinions on the internet.

My point was that your strong anti-Israel position is leading you to obsessively tokenise Jewish voices, and in recent pages to also make false claims about Jewish ethnicity in Israel, and to deny or excuse Jewish maltreatment and persecution in the Arab and Muslim world. If you don’t think this is about Jews, then you could stop making it about Jews.

I hadn't heard of Peled, but he seems to be a one-state idealist, and good for him for believing in the possibility of a secular, democratic state with equal right for all (naive though that position is). But I don't think that's your aim, as what I see is that you'll bend any truth to suit a purely anti-Israel position.

As for Kaufman, I'd say he also not on your side. He wanted a peaceful secure Israel and a two-state solution, and criticised the actions of the Israeli leadership for risking the Jewish homeland (a view I share).

As I said recently on this thread, this isn’t Jews against Palestinians, it is zionists against Palestinians

It’s neither, unless you think all zionists want no Palestinian state, and all Palestinians want no Israel.


 
Posted : 06/08/2024 1:20 pm
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leading you to obsessively tokenise Jewish voices, and in recent pages to also make false claims about Jewish ethnicity in Israel

How insulting to Jews commited to justice for Palestinians, they are most certainly not "token Jews".

And I made no false claims about Jewish ethnicity in Israel. I provided a link to an Israeli newspaper which quoted an Israeli health ministry medical expert who explained that the high rates of skin cancers in Israel were caused by fair skinned Europeans living in a desert climate. Argue the toss with them not me.

Although it is of course perfectly logical, as I explained earlier you do not have to have a drop of Semite blood in you to kick a Palestinian off their land and call yourself an Israeli citizen. If one of your partner's grandparents claimed to be Jewish you can qualify, you don't even need to claim to be Jewish yourself.

And yes, I think Netanyahu's claims about ancestors living in Palestine 3 thousand years ago as a justification for the horrors committed against Palestinians (whose ancestors actually lived in Palestine 3 thousand years ago) is nonsense, any reasonable person would.


 
Posted : 06/08/2024 1:47 pm
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unless you think all zionists want no Palestinian state

All zionists want to drive Palestinians out of their homes and lands, that's how Israel was created


 
Posted : 06/08/2024 1:50 pm
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As for Kaufman, I’d say he also not on your side.

Let Kaufman speak for himself:


 
Posted : 06/08/2024 1:57 pm
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"Nah, that’s just a false allegation made by you, it’s what zionists do – they simply lie about everything."

Awful comment.

Whether you like it or not, most Jews are Zionists.

"All zionists want to drive Palestinians out of their homes and lands, that’s how Israel was created"

I'm sure you know that Israel consists of 20% Arab plus other minorities such as the Druze - who have full democratic rights, educational, civil and any other rights - and in fact Israeli Arabs are over represented in professions such as being pharmacists , doctors & nursing.  Hardly pushing them out. Israel also  has no territorial ambitions in Gaza. Even after the 67 war, Israel wanted Egypt to resume control over Gaza but Egypt refused.


 
Posted : 06/08/2024 5:27 pm
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Israel is an apartheid state. You cannot pretend that it is a democratic society just like any other democracy.

Well obviously you can because that is literally what you have just done.


 
Posted : 06/08/2024 5:41 pm
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I’m sure you know that Israel consists of 20% Arab plus other minorities such as the Druze – who have full democratic rights, educational, civil and any other rights

Not true, most obviously in the case of the Law of Return. And Arab residents of Jerusalem are not even allowed citizenship.

in fact Israeli Arabs are over represented in professions such as being pharmacists , doctors & nursing.

Strange, then, that they generally have lower income and fewer years of schooling.

 Israel also  has no territorial ambitions in Gaza

Puhleez. Stop it. Really.


 
Posted : 06/08/2024 5:53 pm
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Not true, most obviously in the case of the Law of Return.

Why would a member of of Israel's 26+% non-Jewish population need to invoke the Right To Return? They're already citizens.

And Arab residents of Jerusalem are not even allowed citizenship.

Not true, the 1952 Citizenship Law allows them to.

I'm sure you can find plenty of things to bash Israel with that are true. You don't have to make shit up.


 
Posted : 06/08/2024 6:32 pm
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A few cars were set alight in Rotherham. Meanwhile in Gaza ...

this youTube channel is by Emmy-nominated Palestinian journalist and film maker Bisan Owda and documents daily life


 
Posted : 08/08/2024 8:45 am
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Israel minister condemned for saying starvation of millions in Gaza might be ‘justified and moral’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/08/israel-finance-minister-bezalel-smotrich-gaza-starve-2m-people-comments

This is from an extreme far-right fascist who claims to be happy being called  a fascist:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-my-voters-dont-care-im-a-homophobic-fascist-but-my-word-is-my-word/

And not just any extreme far-right fascist, this particular one happens to be Israel’s finance minister, so vital to the regime 


 
Posted : 08/08/2024 1:38 pm
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And not just any extreme far-right fascist, this particular one happens to be Israel’s finance minister, so vital to the regime

They are acting with complete impunity and appear tohave no desire to get the hostages back

From the West Bank

Such a grim story from the Occupied West Bank:

16 year old Bilal was shot dead by Israeli forces outside a hospital in Tubas

After he was killed, some Israelis somehow got his father’s number and started trolling him with abusive messages

One just reads (stw does not work with laughing emoji’s)

https://twitter.com/seckermani/status/1821190269410431286?s=61&t=27Xz8oI3pGlaNEQvowJBcg

And further evidence regarding the treatment of detainees

A new leaked video showed the alleged gang-rape of a Palestinian detainee by Israeli soldiers at the Sde Teiman detention camp. The footage released by Channel 12, taken from evidence used in an investigation on the centre, shows detained Palestinians lying on the floor with their hands and eyes covered. A group of reserve soldiers are seen taking one of the detainees aside, then trying to hide their subsequent actions with riot shields. According to Israeli media, the detainee was hospitalised after the assault with a torn rectum among other injuries. The Israeli military police detained nine soldiers for the alleged rape. The soldiers denied any wrongdoing.

https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1821222390069915705

Plenty of other videos of the Israeli snipers high fiving each other as they shoot kids/adults


 
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Posted : 10/08/2024 2:54 pm
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I was on the Big Bike Ride for Palestine in London today, during the lunch break we had a speech from a Jewish pro Palestine activist. Among the stuff he said was a comment which  I found particularly interesting.

He said that the zionists hadn't just stolen land from the Palestinians but they had also stolen Jewish identity. As he pointed out there is nothing Jewish about apartheid.

It reminded me of a quote by Gerald Kaufman when he was talking about the then Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon......."Star of David belongs to all Jews, not to his repulsive government. His actions are staining the Star of David with blood."


 
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People were envious of the size of my flag today ^^


 
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BBC4 has a series detailing how the US condones and indeed participates in genocide. One particularly apt episode concerns Darfur. It's sobering viewing for anyone who imagines that decency and justice will prevail in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0020xx5/corridors-of-power-should-america-police-the-world-series-1-5-darfur-carrots-for-a-war-criminal?seriesId=unsliced


 
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David Mencer, the spokesman for the Israeli government presently being interviewed by Mishal Husain on Radio 4, is hosting an absolute masterclass in obnoxious arrogance, bluster, misinformation and lies that is frankly unrivaled by anything I think I've ever heard before

Its attempted gaslighting on a truly breathtaking scale


 
Posted : 12/08/2024 8:27 am
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Being an Israeli government spokesperson is an extremely skilful job.

"Justifying" what the IDF are doing in Gaza requires the ability to come up with such huge and monumental lies that they will cause people to doubt that anyone could actually lie to such an extent, and so, they will conclude, they must be telling the truth.

There are however limits to just how big these lies can be, and understanding precisely what these limits are is where the skill is.

The previous Israeli government spokesperson Eylon Levy had to be sacked because he got into a spat with David Cameron over ridiculous claims that the IDF was allowing more aid to enter Gaza than was actually needed, when everyone else in the world knew that Palestinians were dying due to lack of food, medicine, and shelter.

A much better lie is that Hamas are stealing all the aid which the IDF is so generously allowing to go through. A lot of gullible people will believe a lie like that, even if only because they want to believe it.


 
Posted : 12/08/2024 9:15 am
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Wait til you hear Starmer’s latest lie - that it is Iran who are responsible for preventing a ceasefire.

In the end the spokesman/statement/PR thing is irrelevant. Israel will kill who they want, where they want, when they want and nobody will do a damned thing to stop them.


 
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David Mencer, the spokesman for the Israeli government presently being interviewed by Mishal Husain on Radio 4, is hosting an absolute masterclass in obnoxious arrogance, bluster, misinformation and lies that is frankly unrivaled by anything I think I’ve ever heard before

Its attempted gaslighting on a truly breathtaking scale

Heard it, listened again...and again. not a word from his measly fat mouth was true, if I wrote what I'm thinking then..........


 
Posted : 12/08/2024 10:40 am
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Heard it, listened again…and again. not a word from his measly fat mouth was true, if I wrote what I’m thinking then……….

Im not abusing my mental health by listening to that merde but Mishal Hussein is usually pretty good at calling out these liars?


 
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2hours 13mins into link below

Links aren’t embedding, well there’s a ****ing surprise for this forum….why bother?


 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0021x2v

yeah..it finally worked


 
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The Israeli military police detained nine soldiers for the alleged rape. The soldiers denied any wrongdoing.

Does that mean they denied the 'doing'? Or they admitted the 'doing', but they just don't think it was 'wrong'?


 
Posted : 12/08/2024 11:10 am
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2hours 13mins into link below

I have just listened to that. Could the utter desperation in David Mencer have been any more obvious? At least he openly admitted that Israel are losing the "media battlefield", as he called.

Which is ironic when you consider the $billions the Israelis spend on propaganda and how massively successful it has been in the past. They focus so much on global propaganda that the Israelis have even invented a name for it....."hasbara"

I did particularly like it when David Mencer was told that as an Israeli government spokesman he was there to answer questions, not to attack the questions.


 
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Don’t forget that David Mencer is the former director of the largest foreign policy lobbying group in the UK Labour Party, Labour Friends of Israel and previously worked for a number of Labour MPs.


 
Posted : 12/08/2024 12:13 pm
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An excellent long read in the Guardian on the situation in Israel concerning the dehumanising treatment of Palestinians in Gaza by an ex IDF soldier now historian who recently visited the country

As a former IDF soldier and historian of genocide, I was deeply disturbed by my recent visit to Israel


 
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Really good documentary on Stern and his actions leading up to the creation of the Jewish state of Israel, very even in the context presented with commentary from his son throughout


 
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There is no stopping it, this type of event is a daily occurrence https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c985y78d0g1o, not sure why the UN aren't at least voting on having some type of peacekeeping force in there to stop a lot of the madness, yes i know the US would veto it, but in an election year, put pressure on Biden to actually do that in the face of so much negative press, it just seems that the US are making out they're against all the nasty stuff, but doing nothing about it.


 
Posted : 14/08/2024 9:27 am
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Israel have been pumping a shitload of money into the US election to unseat democrats who are vocal about Israeli genocide, and supporting pro Israel candidates.

It is a bit of a dilemma for Harris, on the one hand a foreign power investing so much money and effort into affecting the election should be bringing about immediate sanctions. However while that money is being allowed to influence the election then Harris is more likely to lose vital seats, and if Trump wins gaza will cease to exist within the next term IMO.


 
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There is no stopping it, this type of event is a daily occurrence

James O’Brien covered this along with the Israeli protests for allowing prisoners to be abused. It makes you wonder what is happening to 8000+ other prisoners that Israel has rounded up and placed in their jails.

LBC sacked Sangita Myska and served her with a slapp for questioning the narrative espoused by Abu Hyman but I guess that LBC will not/cannot kill off the most popular/listened to LBC presenter


 
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https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0815/1465066-middle-east/

The IDF have now directly killed over 40,000 Palestinians in the last 10 months in Gaza, which is approximately 2% of the population.

Of course the total amount of deaths due to the IDF onslaught is much larger:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/12/gaza-death-toll-indirect-casualties


 
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The estimate from the Lancet is multiple times that figure.


 
Posted : 15/08/2024 12:36 pm
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I await "Mencer the human slug" to appear on on our screens and radio later today to repeat the claim that the IDF is the most moral army in the world

In Gaza, Israels dehumanisation of the Palestinians has reached new heights - from Haaretz


 
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It appears James O'Brien covered this story earlier this morning


 
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Here is the full version of that article :

https://archive.li/2024.08.14-211155/https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-08-14/ty-article-opinion/.premium/in-gaza-israels-dehumanization-of-the-palestinians-has-reached-a-new-height/00000191-519b-dc60-a397-57ff2c3e0000

These new "dogs" are sent to the tunnels in handcuffs. Cameras are attached to their bodies, and from them one can hear the sound of their frightened breathing.

The process of dehumanization of the Palestinians has reached a new height. Haaretz reported that the IDF senior command knows about the new unit. In the opinion of the army, a dog's life is worth more than a Palestinian's. Now we also have the official version.

Israel really is a lawless fascist state.

Anyone from the pro-Israeli camp fancy having a go at defending the IDF's decision to replace dogs with Palestinians?

I would suggest not using the "untermensch" argument.


 
Posted : 15/08/2024 1:12 pm
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That's an opinion piece on the main investigation article, which is here:

https://archive.li/OIALF

One (slight) ray of hope is that it seems most of the soldiers involved are not happy about this. Will that lead to anything or will they just keep on doing what their commanders tell them to, regardless of their feelings?


 
Posted : 15/08/2024 4:47 pm
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not sure why the UN aren’t at least voting on having some type of peacekeeping force in there to stop a lot of the madness

Who would provide the forces? There is no way Egypt will send their people in.

It’s probably the best path to take at this point, but it’s also an impossible one.


 
Posted : 15/08/2024 5:08 pm
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US ambassador ‘appalled’ by Jit riot, calls for perpetrators to be held to account

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-ambassador-appalled-by-jit-riot-calls-for-perpetrators-to-be-held-to-account/

"These attacks must stop and the criminals be held to account."

Why are they merely "criminals"? If the perpetrators had been Palestinians defending their land they would have been called terrorists.

And it's great that the US ambassador is appalled by the terrorist attack on Palestinian civilians in illegal occupied territory, but what is the United States actually going to do to help Palestinians defend themselves against Israeli terrorists?

This sort of shit happens all the time -  literally hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by Israeli terrorists in the West Bank in the last year.


 
Posted : 16/08/2024 10:45 am
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what is the United States actually going to do to help Palestinians defend themselves against Israeli terrorists?

I think you know the answer to this question. It rhymes with "duck call". Same as they're doing to prevent children in Gaza being blown to bits.


 
Posted : 16/08/2024 11:10 am
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I see reginald hunter has been accused of antisemitism following a not particularly funny joke abouy Israel, and the police are investigating

Excuse my ignorance but does that fit the definition of antisemitism? My understanding of the term was slightly different, but happy to be corrected


 
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Ah...following up on my last post, I think the antisemitism investigation is more aimed at some follow up comments from hunter and the hounding of 2 audience members. Not the original joke.


 
Posted : 16/08/2024 3:21 pm
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Police investigating a report of a "hate incident" have said "no crime" was established after two Israeli audience members were reportedly heckled out of Reginald D Hunter's Edinburgh Fringe show.

https://news.sky.com/story/eastwood-park-theatre-cancels-reginald-d-hunter-comedy-show-amid-israel-comments-row-13197890

A comedian poking fun at Israel is as legitimate as a comedian poking fun at Russia, or the United States, or Britian, or any other country. Only some people take the rather racist attitude that Israel is somehow special.

I am not surprised that the audience booed when a couple of individuals complained that the joke about Israel behaving like an abusive partner wasn't in their opinion funny.

By all accounts they weren't even Palestinians which had they been I might have understood their concerns that it was in poor state.

I am not surprised that Hunter suggested that they leave if they didn't find his comedy funny. Not am I surprised that the police found that no crime.

Unfortunately this nonsense has an effect, Hunter has now had a show cancelled by a theatre and comedians in the future might decide to stay away from ever mentioning Israel. A sad day for comedy and free expression.


 
Posted : 16/08/2024 8:34 pm
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I dont think this is ever going to get old

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qBQLsw6jots


 
Posted : 16/08/2024 9:23 pm
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It sounds like the Reginald D Hunter incident might have been a setup. There just happened to be a Daily Telegraph journalist in the audience who was able to provide a very detailed report on the whole incident, and who very conveniently remained  to report on what also happened after the unnamed UK born Israelis, on holiday from Israel, left the theatre.

According to the Daily Mail the entire audience was a "baying mob" and not one single person came to their defence. Quote :

The looks on people's faces in the audience – it was like they wanted to attack us and beat us,' Talia recalls. 'There was so much hate in their eyes – angry that we were daring to be alive.'

How on earth did Reginald D Hunter manage to select such an anti-Israeli audience for his show, and how did this Israeli couple and Daily Telegraph reporter manage to slip through? It seems quite bizarre.

The Daily Mail also reports that the Israeli couple gave the audience a little lecture on how terrible October 7 last year had been for Israel, which must have been quite a long heckle.

I suspect that the background to this story is that someone heard that Reginald D Hunter made a joke comparing Israel with an abusive partner and thought that it would be useful to stage an incident with a Daily Telegraph reporter present.

Extra points for having the guy who the audience wanted to "attack and beat" in a wheelchair. And extra points also for the police finding that no hate crime had been committed, proving yet again that everyone, including the UK police, are anti-semitic. Add that to the UN, ICJ, ICC, etc.


 
Posted : 17/08/2024 10:28 am
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Israel says UK 'expected to take part in retaliatory strikes on Iran' if they are attacked

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/israel-says-uk-expected-to-take-part-in-strikes-on-iran-david-lammy-gaza-ceasefire-b1177051.html

So Israel deliberately provokes both Iran and Hezbollah in the full knowledge that it cannot deal with any likely retaliatory attack without the help of the US, UK, and France.

And yet Netanyahu shows his disapproval of the current UK government by refusing to meet the visiting UK Foreign Secretary :

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-reportedly-refused-british-requests-for-meeting-with-visiting-fm/

After the last time that the US, the UK, and France, came to the assistance of Israel,  because Israeli air defences couldn't cope with an Iranian retaliatory attack, they hoped  it would make Netanyahu more amiable to their opinions as he clearly needs their support.

Netanyahu's sense of entitlement is obviously too great to worry about such things. He is obviously convinced that there are no red lines and he can do whatever he wants.


 
Posted : 17/08/2024 10:55 pm
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^ meanwhile Netanyahu and his goon squad of thugs have zero intention of negotiating in good faith to get the hostages back and end the conflict in Gaza, at this rate it’s going to take a coup within Israel to remove them, but only if Netanyahu doesn’t remove Gallant beforehand, as some commentators are predicting


 
Posted : 17/08/2024 11:46 pm
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Foreign Office official resigns over Israel arms sales

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyvpm1049d9o

While hundreds of officials in the UK, Europe and the US have registered unprecedented levels of dissent at their governments’ policies towards Israel over the war in Gaza, there have been far fewer known cases of so-called principled resignations, meaning Mr Smith’s case is extremely rare for the British government.


 
Posted : 18/08/2024 9:48 pm
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 Netanyahu’s sense of entitlement is obviously too great to worry about such things. He is obviously convinced that there are no red lines and he can do whatever he wants.

He knows it and our governments know it, but the people of Gaza know it more than anyone.

If this was a state full of Muslim "dark people" inflicting endless atrocity and genocide on a Christian/Jew "white people" country, the narrative would be rather different.


 
Posted : 19/08/2024 5:22 pm
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Netanyahu and his goon squad of thugs have zero intention of negotiating in good faith

In stark contrast to the good faith Hamas have shown in refusing to attend, rejecting the US deal, then claiming a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv and saying more are on the way.


 
Posted : 19/08/2024 6:20 pm
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In stark contrast to the good faith Hamas have shown in refusing to attend, rejecting the US deal, then claiming a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv and saying more are on the way.

Love to the family


 
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