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Wouldn’t surprise me if they claimed it was antisemitism….

They have of course as well as calling it a blood libel


 
Posted : 20/05/2024 7:32 pm
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They have of course as well as calling it a blood libel

Just watched Netanyahu now on C4 news, its new form of antisemitism according to the wee gobshite, good...good...keep trotting out that bile and the world will eventually see your government for what it is.


 
Posted : 20/05/2024 7:43 pm
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Most already have.


 
Posted : 20/05/2024 8:08 pm
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There is a part-Jewish Polish guy who is very involved in the London section of the Big Ride 4 Palestine who attends all the London demos riding a bike pulling a coffin.

On Saturday he was arrested and charged under Section 18 of the Public Order Act 1986 because he had written on the side of his coffin a quote from Marek Edelman, one of the Jewish leaders of the Warsaw Uprising:

"To be a Jew means always being with the oppressed, never with the oppressors.”

His bail conditions require him not to attend any pro-Palestine demo, not to leave the country (he was due to go to Poland on holiday) and to sleep every night at his home address.

I have no doubt that his case will get thrown out of court. The idea that the quote is anti-semitic is farcical. But it is evidence of the intense political pressure from zionists that the Met Police is currently experiencing. The same zionists who a few weeks ago tried to get the Metropolitan Police Commissioner sacked.

As zionists become evermore isolated they are becoming evermore desperate.

https://www.thebigride4palestine.com/


 
Posted : 20/05/2024 10:13 pm
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Good to see keir starmer standing with the ICC on potential arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant……….oh wait…….no he hasn’t

https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1792952531930296618?s=46&t=qvPR6lBfBXtAWZ-6beFWyA

Today, @DavidLammy and I met with members of the Hostage Families Forum.

Labour demands the immediate release of all hostages.

We continue our call for an immediate ceasefire to end the war in Gaza, a surge of aid into Gaza to alleviate the humanitarian crisis, and a pathway towards a two-state solution.

Meanwhile the Israeli comedian/satirist/government gobshite/Labour shill David Mencer was on C4 news bleating away for his masters


 
Posted : 21/05/2024 7:56 pm
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Norway says it is ready to arrest Netanyahu and Gallant

A day after ICC prosecutor's announcement, Norway is first European country to announce it will comply if the warrant is issued

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1nnxdqqr

The zionists are going to struggle to portray the Norwegian government as terrorist sympathizers, tools of Hamas, and anti-semitic.

But they will give a go no doubt. What else can they do?


 
Posted : 21/05/2024 9:22 pm
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Might have been covered, but "From the River to the sea"

Is this considered a contentious slogan, and if so how contentious? Someone at work was wearing a hoodie with it on today (plus Palestine flag colours) and while freedom of expression is supported at work, I'm not sure where this sits?


 
Posted : 21/05/2024 9:54 pm
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The pro-Israel lobby says it is - for me, Palestine being free doesn't require Israel not to exist.


 
Posted : 21/05/2024 10:26 pm
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We are reaching Comical Ali levels of hasbara since the ICC announcement.

The Schrodinger effect has also been turned up to eleven with the US are saying the court is illegitimate while also saying it is legitimate by investigating allegations of Russian war crimes in Ukraine.

I also loved Slimy Gove's cocaine-fuelled rant about anti-semitism today. Who needs The Thick of It reruns when you have modern politics.

Peak post-truth? Still nowhere near there yet.....


 
Posted : 21/05/2024 10:43 pm
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“From the River to the sea”

first time I heard this was from a Zionist in relation to the formation of Israel


 
Posted : 21/05/2024 11:04 pm
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

Ireland, Norway, and Spain have announced plans to recognise a Palestinian state from 28 May

At least 140 members of the United Nations already recognise Palestinian statehood

That is out of 193 United Nations member states.

It turns out that Netanyahu's and his far-right government's plans to starve a people and kill 15 thousands of their children, with no end in sight, is simply futher isolating and creating far more enemies for Israel, rather than bring it strength and security.

Although I guess that they probably can't help themselves - slaughtering the indigenous population should they dare to rebel is historically deeply embedded in the mindset of powerful colonial settlers.


 
Posted : 22/05/2024 9:38 am
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Ireland, Norway, and Spain have announced plans to recognise a Palestinian state from 28 May

That's very welcome news.


 
Posted : 22/05/2024 9:40 am
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Avi Hyman on R4 One o’clock news.

A long, long speech of lies, the best of which is that any talk of starvation in Gaza is all lies.

TBF to BBC the presenter did her best, listing all the international agencies who have reported starvation and warning of famine, but apparently they’re all lying.

The only thing that is astounding is that our politicians continue to choose to believe the lies, and the lies, and the lies, and the lies, and the lies……..

Skip to 3.10 for alexi’s somethingion of lies


 
Posted : 22/05/2024 2:15 pm
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TBF to BBC the presenter did her best, listing all the international agencies who have reported starvation and warning of famine, but apparently they’re all lying.

This is 6 months old now but Nada Tarbush at her very best:

Watch from 3mins 55secs for the relevant reference.


 
Posted : 22/05/2024 2:26 pm
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This is 6 months old now but Nada Tarbush at her very best:

A very calm fact led approach to Israeli obfuscation and lies indeed.


 
Posted : 22/05/2024 2:38 pm
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https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240521-france-backs-independence-of-icc-after-prosecutor-seeks-arrest-warrants-for-israel-hamas-leader

"France supports the International Criminal Court, its independence and the fight against impunity in all situations", the foreign ministry said in a statement late on Monday.

While US President Joe Biden called the legal step against Israeli officials "outrageous"

This is represents a serious split among Western allies. The two opposing attitudes could be more starkly at odds.

The problem for Israel and its far-right government is that all the attitudes are moving in only one direction - towards greater criticism of Israel and with growing hostility. It never ever travels in the opposite direction, ie, greater support and sympathy for Israel.

They really are up Shit Creek without a paddle.


 
Posted : 22/05/2024 11:27 pm
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About time, Israel told to immediately halt their assault on Gaza by the ICC, and allow unhindered access to crossing points.

Soap on a Rope for Netanyahu and Gallant


 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:30 pm
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With global warming, it will be more economical for the planet to send container ships across the North Pole, rather than use the Suez Canal.

Without using Israel as a military base, to police these old trade routes, expect the USA to make a massive withdrawal from the Middle East.

As Chomsky noted, it was always the USA that blocked any negotiated peace treaty between Israel and Palestine.

It was never reported much in the media, though.


 
Posted : 25/05/2024 2:19 am
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On the contrary, the vision is for a new trade route with the zionist state at the very heart of it. Which is partly the reason why normalisation of Israeli-Saudi relations is so important, and was possibly a calculating factor in the decision to launch the Oct 7 operation.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/09/10/netanyahu-hails-international-trade-corridor-linking-india-middle-east-eu/

I totally agree that the strategic importance to the United States of having what amounts to, metaphorically speaking, a huge aircraft carrier in an area brimming with oil will massively diminish in the coming years.

In the last 5 years alone US oil imports from the Middle East have fallen from 20% of total oil imports to 10%. By 2035 at least 12 US states will have banned carbon fueled vehicles.

The strategic importance of the Middle East to the United States will undoubtedly be re-evaluated. Being located on part of a trade route from India/China to Western Europe probably won't figure that high.

The United States has actively been trying to disengage from the Middle East recently which is another reason for their strong determination to normalise relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel - it will include a military alliance which will counter the threat posed by non-compliant regional states such as Iran.

IMO the only reason that the United States props up the zionist state is because it serves the needs of the US ruling elite, it has absolutely nothing to do with a moral commitment to a "Jewish homeland". And I certainly don't buy the conspiracy based theory that Jewish zionists control the US government.

The price paid in propping up Israel in recent years has been peanuts to the United States, and well worth it. But with its diminishing importance to the United States and its growing liability in terms of undermining US global influence and perceived moral authority I expect we are approaching the Use By Date of this relationship.

I have no doubt at all that we are currently witnessing the beginning of the end of the zionist experiment. So I completely agree with you greatbeard but for slightly different reasons!


 
Posted : 25/05/2024 9:58 am
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No surprise far-right Labour ghoul Ian Austin is on the wrong side of the argument.

The UK should pull its funding from the ICC


 
Posted : 25/05/2024 3:54 pm
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Massive Gaza rocket barrage targets Tel Aviv, central Israel - breaking

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-803682

"The rockets were fired from launchers located hundreds of meters from IDF soldiers in the Gaza Strip, Army Radio noted.

Rescue forces are looking into reports of a rocket landing in the Tel Aviv area."

So the IDF's "war" against Hamas isn't quite going to plan then. Perhaps they need a few more $billion worth of weapons from the United States. That might do it.


 
Posted : 26/05/2024 1:19 pm
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Andrew Feinstein on Gove


 
Posted : 26/05/2024 9:51 pm
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Revealed: Israeli spy chief ‘threatened’ ICC prosecutor over war crimes inquiry

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/28/israeli-spy-chief-icc-prosecutor-war-crimes-inquiry

According to accounts shared with ICC officials, he is alleged to have told her: “You should help us and let us take care of you. You don’t want to be getting into things that could compromise your security or that of your family.”

*Terrorist regime attempts to use gangster tactics against the International Criminal Court shocker*


 
Posted : 28/05/2024 9:02 am
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Posted : 28/05/2024 1:41 pm
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A question which you very unlikely to hear being asked on either the telly or the radio.


 
Posted : 28/05/2024 1:42 pm
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I saw that video of the father holding up his childs headless body on the "Eye on Palestine" twitter feed along with other horrific images - I sent it to as many politicians as I could, to think there will be hundreds/thousands of such deaths amongst the Palestinian victims makes hundreds/thousands more recruits for Hamas.


 
Posted : 28/05/2024 1:56 pm
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Dispatches was harrowing last night - especially if you watch the previous Gaza one in front of it which covers the aftermath of the 2010 incursion into Gaza.  You can almost fill in the gaps and see the timeline that led to the events of 7 October 23.  The 6,7,8,9,10 year olds that had their families killed in front of them just wanted revenge in the purest form and even though they had no ill feeling towards the Israeli children at the time, put 12 years between them and that's easily forgotten.

Watching the 2 programmes gave no doubt as to which side is more to blame than the other.


 
Posted : 28/05/2024 2:09 pm
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Nikki Haley going full genocidal on this one, WTF is possibly the nicest expression I can muster at the moment, I’d prefer to see one of these go off in her face though.


 
Posted : 29/05/2024 5:28 pm
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Well at least she has accepted that the zionists are losing the narrative. I would say that the situation is every bit as critical for them as she makes out it is.

She even admits that Hamas launched a direct attack on the zionist state a few days ago.

With less friends every day what a terrible time to be a zionist!


 
Posted : 29/05/2024 5:38 pm
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I see the floating pier has been completely dismantled, $320 million to deliver 500 tonnes of aid. Netanyahu must be pissing himself with laughter


 
Posted : 29/05/2024 6:17 pm
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Does Genocide Joe actually have any red lines?


 
Posted : 29/05/2024 7:14 pm
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Does Genocide Joe actually have any red lines?

Doesn't seem to have, all the talk of outside interference by Russia and other state actors through the use of social media and yet Netanyahu will decide who gets to be president.


 
Posted : 29/05/2024 7:24 pm
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Good gob, that Lloyd Russell-Moyle voted for a ceasefire, no wonder he's been de-selected.


 
Posted : 29/05/2024 7:42 pm
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-land-authority-tells-unrwa-to-evacuate-jerusalem-premises-for-breaching-lease/

In a letter sent Tuesday to UNRWA, the ILA wrote that the agency owes it NIS 27,125,280 ($7,326,711.19) for operating on land belonging to Israel without consent for the last seven years.

How ironic that a government which illegally occupies land should accuse the United Nations of illegally occupying land.

And to add to the irony UNRWA was set up almost 75 precisely to provide support to Palestinians driven from their lands.

UNRWA currently supplies most of the aid to Palestinians facing starvation and homelessness due to the terrorist actions of the IDF, so the determination to shut them down is understandable.


 
Posted : 30/05/2024 11:41 am
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How ironic that a government which illegally occupies land should accuse the United Nations of illegally occupying land.

"That" Mitchell & Webb sketch springs to mind


 
Posted : 30/05/2024 12:16 pm
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For me, on a personal level, I just simply cannot comprehend the images coming out of Gaza now. They follow me on my walks and in my dreams or waking thoughts. It's impossible to not superimpose my own children/nieces/nephews onto the faces of maimed, charred tiny bodies or in the faces of pure terror and their inability to comprehend an endless atrocity.

That a modern, well-armed, nation state can visit this level of destruction and inhumanity on a starved, defeated, and utterly defenceless civilian population and with total impunity is both an affront and a disgrace to which the immense lose, sacrifice and hard-fought victories of the 20th century stood for. Never again, it was once said, could a nation state prosecute such atrocity, but evidently it can, and will, but nobody is coming to save the people of Gaza.

It's hard not to conclude that Israel, as a respectable, modern state, is finished.


 
Posted : 30/05/2024 1:15 pm
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By their actions they could easily be classed as a rogue state, but you are forgetting, Israel is the most righteous of nations.


 
Posted : 30/05/2024 1:30 pm
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UNRWA currently supplies most of the aid to Palestinians facing starvation and homelessness due to the terrorist actions of the IDF, so the determination to shut them down is understandable.

On the other hand UNRWA appears to also steal that aid so they can sell it - https://unwatch.org/the-case-against-unrwa/

Palestinians are getting shafted from every direction.


 
Posted : 30/05/2024 2:50 pm
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On the other hand UNRWA appears to also steal that aid so they can sell it

That unwatch group are rather suspect, little more than another Israeli lobbying organisation


 
Posted : 30/05/2024 3:03 pm
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UN watch appears to be a Zionist entity, so i'll hazard a guess they're a touch biased. They seem to have one goal. To destroy any help or support being offered to the Palestinian people and de-legitimize their right to live in Palestine


 
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Meanwhile the IDF are using quadcopter drones to shoot civilians as they attempt to return to Jabayla, perfectly normal behaviour.


 
Posted : 30/05/2024 3:16 pm
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UN watch appears to be a Zionist entity

I think it is safe to say that any campaigning organisation which has the word "Watch" in its name has its own agenda.

It doesn't mean that they are wrong of course but it does mean that they are not simply neutral observers.


 
Posted : 30/05/2024 5:46 pm
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/france-bans-israeli-defense-firms-from-prestigious-arms-show-amid-gaza-ceasefire-call/

With everyday that passes the apartheid regime becomes more isolated.


 
Posted : 31/05/2024 10:50 pm
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I don't really have the intellect or background knowledge to keep up with this thread but wanted to flag up the BBC's Storyville "Praying for Armageddon" which looks at America's Evangelical Christains' & Christian Zionists' overwhelming support for Israel & their huge influence over American politics & foreign policy to this effect.

In essence it's a belief that Israel's re-establishment of biblical borders & control over Jerusalem would fulfil biblical prophecy, hastening Armageddon & the 2nd coming of Christ.

It's truly scary.


 
Posted : 01/06/2024 10:35 pm
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It’s truly scary.

Is that the one where they talk about a “red heifer” to sacrifice?, yep…..the US evangelicals and how they have been allowed to grow in power/influence will be the end of the USA.


 
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Sorry, I should have included the link in the post:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001z96s/storyville-praying-for-armageddon


 
Posted : 02/06/2024 10:19 am
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Gideon Levy on Gaza

wind it back to the beginning


 
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The irony is that Israel has pretty much ethnically cleansed Palestine of Christians.  Although they were never large in number Christian Palestinians are all but non-existent in Palestine these days.

The displacement of Christians isn't just about the actions of Israeli governments though of course...  they have been increasing marginalised this century by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority.


 
Posted : 03/06/2024 4:56 pm
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they have been increasing marginalised this century by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority.

Eh? You think, for example, that there a quarter of a million Christian Palestinians living in Honduras because of Hamas?

I will remind you that the Holy Family Catholic church in northern Gaza which was repeatedly targeted by Israeli snipers and missiles just before Christmas was fully functioning and untouched by the Hamas administration before the IDF onslaught.

It is the IDF who have been killing Christian Palestinians not Hamas.

The same is true in the West Bank, the only threat to Christian Palestinians comes from the IDF and Israeli settlers, not the PLO.


 
Posted : 03/06/2024 5:08 pm
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All this talk of d-day....never again etc...etc

Meanwhile Israel drops US bombs on a UN run school compound in the Nuseirat refugee camp killing at least 45, yet more pictures of decapitated children whilst Israel looks under rocks, shouts "HAMAS" and drops bombs.

Genocidal ****s.


 
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Well yeah, but obvious Western hypocrisy is not being lost on the people of the Global South.

And with each new day that arrives the apartheid regime seems to lose more friends in the West.

The latest today:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/spain-applies-join-south-africas-case-top-court-110887564

Spain became on Thursday the first European country to ask a United Nations court for permission to join South Africa’s case accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza.


 
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AsiaToday... Stupid clickbait article biased to make Israel look bad, if you ask me.

"Israel drops more bombs than WWII!!!1!!"

Actually, they mean more bombs than were dropped on just 3 cities in specific time periods ranging between 1 year and 1 month. What a worthless comparison.

DISCLAIMER: this post is not defending Israel. Just pointing out that the article is stupid.

What happened to unbiased reporting? It's not like Israel need any help looking bad, and bad reporting like this tends to make me ignore or write off anything the source says as unreliable.


 
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Of course it is designed to make Israel look bad! It is attempt to give some sort of perspective to the amount of bombs that Israel has dropped on the people of Gaza.

I am not interested in the unbiased reporting of a genocide. Asia Today like other outlets is reporting a press release from Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor.

Unless you can provide evidence that the claims made by EuroMed Human Rights Monitor are false I don't understand what your problem is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro-Mediterranean_Human_Rights_Monitor


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 2:31 pm
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"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor". 

- Desmond Tutu


 
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I am not interested in the unbiased report of a genocide.

I am, from a news outlet. An article or opinion piece can say whatever they like.

Asia Today like other outlets is reporting a press release from Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor.

I have no issue with that. But the press release says Israel dropped 70,000 tons of bombs, granted it's a huge amount. What Asia Today are also doing is making up (effectively) fake headlines by doing stupid comparisons.

Can't find official  figures but look here, where it says the amount of bombs dropped by the USAF alone during WW2 was around 2.5 million tons. Israel has dropped nowhere close to the amount of bombs during WW2. It makes me lose confidence in the accuracy of anything they say TBH.


 
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Asia Today makes it crystal clear that they are referring to the bombs dropped on Dresden, Hamburg and London during World War 2. It's there in black and white, you don't even have to click on the link for that to be clear.

I reckon your problem is that as you quite rightly point out it is designed to make Israel look bad.

Israel is happily killing, starving, and maiming, thousands of children, that harsh reality must not be forgotten.

Making a comparison with the amount of bombs dropped on Dresden, Hamburg and London during World War 2 is an excellent way of reminding people.


 
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This is what I have a problem with:

Israel has Dropped 70 Thousand Tons of Bombs on Gaza, Surpassing World War II

And not with the simple fact that it's designed to make Israel look bad. Despite me saying I prefer unbiased reporting (which I do), I'm largely in agreement with your general point.

Israel is happily killing, starving, and maiming, thousands of children, that harsh reality must not be forgotten.

Making a comparison with the amount of bombs dropped on Dresden, Hamburg and London during World War 2 is an excellent way of reminding people.

Absolutely. But a better article would be, say,  reporting that Israel has dropped 70,000 tons of bombs, and pointing out in the article that this is more than the total amount of bombs dropped on Dresden etc during WW2.

As it is, with a nonsense headline and the article stating specific (and different) time periods for each city so they can get the total they are looking for, it's not the kind of article I'm interested in. I will be just as (in fact, more) horrified at what Israel is doing by reading this from a less sensationalist source.

For a silly comparison: What would you think of a mtb mag article saying "This is the fastest bike of the year!" and the article clarifying that actually it's faster than all Halfords bikes built during February? Maybe it is the fastest bike. But who cares, I've already written off the article as BS and gone elsewhere.


 
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You called it a "Stupid clickbait article biased to make Israel look bad", if it's only the wording of the headline that is a problem then that's another story imo.

I don't get why the reporting of the crimes committed by the Israeli apartheid state should be from a neutral perspective.

Back in the days of apartheid in South Africa no one demanded that the racist white supremacists should be given a fair hearing and treated from a neutral perspective.

And the current Israeli apartheid regime is an incomparable worse tyranny than South African apartheid was. In comparison with Israel few massacres occurred in apartheid South Africa, in fact I can only think of two - the Sharpeville Massacre and the Soweto Massacre.

69 were killed in the Sharpeville Massacre, which is less than the IDF typically kills in a couple of hours, the total number killed in the Soweto Massacre is unknown but Israel regularly kills more than the maximum estimate in a single day.

In many ways comparing Netanyahu and his far-right government with South African apartheid is insulting to the former white supremacists of South Africa, they weren't that uncivilised.


 
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make Israel look bad.

They're doing a pretty good job regardless of the headline.


 
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I think it is safe to say that any campaigning organisation which has the word “Watch” in its name has its own agenda.

But the word "Monitor" is A-OK.

And Ossify has a point - "Israel dropped as many bombs in 10 months as the Allies did in 3 nights" is a bit of a daft comparison, and under scrutiny probably doesn't get across the point the author was aiming for.


 
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And Ossify has a point – “Israel dropped as many bombs in 10 months as the Allies did in 3 nights” is a bit of a daft comparison

Which presumably is why they didn't make the comparison. The comparison they actually made is that the 70 thousand tons of bombs dropped on the people of Gaza far exceeds the bombs used in Dresden, Hamburg and London during World War II.

Read it, it is crystal clear. Or are you suggesting that dropping 70 thousands of tons of bombs on civilians in 2023-24 is okay?

And yes of course EuroMed Human Rights Monitor have an agenda, the clue is in the name! There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an agenda, I merely pointed out that your source attacking UNRWA probably had one and wasn't neutral.

So anyway back to today's news.....Spain has become the first European country to ask a United Nations court for permission to join South Africa’s case accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza. Any views on that?


 
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As it is, with a nonsense headline and the article stating specific (and different) time periods for each city so they can get the total they are looking for, it’s not the kind of article I’m interested in. I will be just as (in fact, more) horrified at what Israel is doing by reading this from a less sensationalist source.

I made a very similar comparison regarding the quotes of the Hamas massacre of Oct 7th, decapitated babies, pregnant mothers cut open, babies in ovens etc - all unsubstantiated and no evidence yet that has been verified. Talking heads such as Biden corroborated such false statements.

The Oct 7th massacre was absolutely foul enough without making shit up.


 
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The 'tonnage' of bombs doesn't account for the fact that the bombs would have a lot more bang than they did 80 years ago.


 
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Or are you suggesting that dropping 70 thousands of tons of bombs on civilians in 2023-24 is okay?

You are making some WILD leaps of logic if you think I am suggesting such a thing.


 
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bombs would have a lot more bang than they did 80 years ago.

I think that the main aim is to make a comparison with European cities such as London and Hamburg, not necessarily the devastation that the bombs caused.

I reckon most people are aware that Gaza has been reduced to rumble by the IDF, people are being asked to see it in terms of a European city because the destruction of European cities is generally seen as less acceptable.


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 7:48 pm
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I reckon most people are aware that Gaza has been reduced to rumble by the IDF, people are being asked to see in terms of a European city because the destruction of European cities is generally seen as less acceptable.

I doubt anyone is seeing either as acceptable, the reality is that nobody is able to stop Israel from continuing their onslaught, they are not scared of being pariahs, they aren't blinking at any of the US threats, they are using it to continue to get backing from their citizens, and until that stops, i can't see an end to this death and destruction.


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 7:52 pm
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You are making some WILD leaps of logic if you think I am suggesting such a thing.

No leaps of logic - I am asking you a question because you appear to playing down to point that EuroMed Human Rights Monitor is trying to make, ie, 70 thousand tons of bombs dropped on the people of Gaza is horrific.


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 7:54 pm
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Or are you suggesting that dropping 70 thousands of tons of bombs on civilians in 2023-24 is okay?

Course he isn't. and it's damned outrageous for you to suggest he is 😡


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 7:56 pm
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nobody is able to stop Israel from continuing their onslaught

Oh they are. Israel is very dependent on bombs supplied by a UK NATO ally to destroy Gaza.

If the will in the West was there a great deal could be done to stop Israel.


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 7:57 pm
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Oh they are. Israel is very dependent on bombs supplied by a UK NATO ally to destroy Gaza.

If the will in the West was there a great deal could be done to stop Israel.

If the US stop supplying them, then yes, they will be in trouble, but i cannot see the US dropping Israel like that as it's a domino they don't want to topple.

Also worth noting that Israel have a huge arms industry themselves, more than the UK have in terms of manufacturing bombs and explosives!


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 8:02 pm
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Course he isn’t. and it’s damned outrageous for you to suggest he is 😡

I made no suggestion. It was a very clear question.

Plenty of people believe that it perfectly okay for Israel to drop 70 thousands of tons of bombs on civilians in Gaza, including the UK government, which is why Israel keeps receiving supplies of bombs.

Plenty of people in Israel think it is okay too, the majority in fact it would appear. Why wouldn't TheFlying0x be one of them? Any particular reason?


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 8:04 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/28/nikki-haley-finish-them-missile-israel

https://theconversation.com/most-israelis-dislike-netanyahu-but-support-the-war-in-gaza-an-israeli-scholar-explains-whats-driving-public-opinion-230046

There is no point pretending that everyone is opposed to what Netanyahu and his government is doing in Gaza. It simply isn't true.


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 8:06 pm
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I'm not trying to play it down at all.

Firstly, I pointed out my amusement at the leaping on UN Watch's "agenda" because of its links to Israel, specifically calling out the use of "Watch" in its name, and then unironically posting an article sourced from a Palestinian-run agency with "Monitor" in its name as if the same standards shouldn't apply.

Secondly, I had a massive reading comprehension fail to which I hold up my hands.

Thirdly, this is a delicate point that I am no doubt making in an extremely clumsy manner. The article wants to draw comparison with WW2 so if the Allies killed ~25000 over the 3 nights bombing of Dresden, then after 10 months of bombing an area with almost 10x the population density and with almost 20x the amount of (apparently higher yield) bombs, surely if the intent was eradication of Gazan Palestinians then we'd be talking about at least an order of magnitude more deaths than have been reported.

At no point within this post am I stating agreement with what's happening in Gaza, nor am I numb to the plight of the civilians under attack and forced to flee. I'm saying that with the huge technological and firepower advantage the IDF has, by the measures used in the WW2 comparison article, then either they're pretty shit at the whole extermination thing or maybe it is actually about destroying Hamas after all - not that I think they ever could truly end Hamas or that this is the way they should be going about it.


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 8:23 pm
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I made no suggestion. It was a very clear question.

"I'm just asking questions" - a tactic/phrase beloved of right-wing US talk show hosts.

There is no point pretending that everyone is opposed to what Netanyahu and his government is doing in Gaza. It simply isn’t true.

And nor is there any point pretending the average Palestinian doesn't agree with the attacks on October 7th

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

And if you agree with terrorist acts, what are you?


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 8:29 pm
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Cool, we appear to agree on a  couple of things!

The article makes the comparison with the bombing of London, Dresden, and Hamburg. If the headline gives the impression that that they are referring to the whole of WW2 (it doesn't say that) then the article makes it absolutely clear what exactly it is referring to, you don't even need to click on the article to see that.

I have already suggested the reason for a comparison with European cities.

And I have also already pointed out that yes of course EuroMed Human Rights Monitor has an agenda, which is obviously to monitor human rights! There is nothing wrong with having an agenda. It important to recognise what an organisation's agenda is though, obviously.

then either they’re pretty shit at the whole extermination thing or maybe it is actually about destroying Hamas after all – not that I think they ever could

Absolutely they are shit at the whole extermination thing. They are also shit at destroying Hamas.

There are over a million children in Gaza so far the IDF has only managed to kill 15 thousands. They simply cannot wipe out the Palestinian people, nor can they destroy Hamas - they are currently fighting the children that they haven't previously managed to kill in their countless incursions into Gaza of the last 20 years. At the moment they are creating the resistant fighters of the future, while simultaneously turning the whole world slowly against them.

The only thing in question is how many needless deaths will they cause?


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 8:47 pm
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Just asking questions

I had reasonable reason to assume that you might support the current IDF military operations in Gaza, most people living in Israel apparently do. As I understand it you live in Israel.

That does not make it comparable to "a right-wing US talk show host", what a bizarre suggestion, and talk about leaping to conclusions!


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 8:53 pm
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Anyway this what we are up against:

Starvation already causing many deaths and lasting harm in Gaza, agencies say

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/05/starvation-already-causing-mass-death-and-lasting-harm-in-gaza-agencies-say

And:

Israel is flooding Gaza with so much aid, the UN is drowning under it. 

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1798423365746868382


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 9:02 pm
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I do not live in Israel, although up until October last year I was helping keep the lights on in Gaza.


 
Posted : 06/06/2024 9:50 pm
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I was helping keep the lights on in Gaza

Which nicely backs up the United Nations claim that pre October last year Gaza was under unlawful occupation by Israel.

Not that there was any doubt of course but Israel tried to maintain the lie that Gaza was not under occupation - a claim firmly rejected by the United Nations.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/10/1129722

They stressed that under international humanitarian law, the occupation of territory in wartime is a temporary situation and does not deprive the occupied power of its statehood or sovereignty. 


 
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