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Not so, lots of folk are killed by falling bullets as people celebrate by shooting into the air.
It was quite unnerving to step off the train into a crowd of people doing just that at the end of the 1983 Tunisian bread riots as a 12 year old 🙂
Still open to jamming unless they are using an inertial navigation system, which correct me if I’m wrong – is relatively rare outside of the military or industrial spec drones.
I don’t think it’s particularly difficult to program in waypoints in a circuit in any reasonably fancy drone. They effectively fly autonomously anyway, the ‘pilot’ is actually only telling the flight computer what he’s like the drone to do, and the computer does all the actual piloting. If signal is lost they almost all ‘return to home’; it would be simple to change that to ‘if signal lost; circuit around waypoints’. What’s disappointing/impressive is that with the fairly limited battery life, the authorities haven’t managed to find a base of operation yet; this strikes me as organised and nefarious, rather than a dickhead ‘hobbyist’ (although actually that’s unfair to hobbyists, who are usually a fairly responsible bunch).
Surely if its flying a pre programmed route then the down wash from a copter will throw it in the ground really quickly? Or get the police in a chopper and shotgun it from side on . Bird shot falling from the sky is pretty harmles , like hailstones as thay have little mass.
Must be a way to use a jammer along the lines of a RDF to find the transmit point , unless drone freqs are used for other things.( unless it will fly a pre prog route with zero input )
Use another drone to hit the rogue drone out the sky? They race drones so the PS generation must be able to rock up in short order annd play catch me if you can , then offer rewards for smashed to bits naughty drones . This travel disruption is costing someone many thousands of ££ so a £500 per naughty drone bounty seems good value
So do we reckon
Putin?
Crazy kids, screwing around?
Islamists?
Yellow vest morons?
Climate change protestors?
Twitter now reporting that BA's systems have gone down at Heathrow - IT failure.
If someone does this on the day we no deal Brexit, we are screwed.
Jesus, just how vulnerable is our national infrastructure?
Morons almost certainly, axe to grind against Gatwick, sounds likely, I assume with the number of key words this thread now contains the security services are kicking themselves they have not thought of all these drone stopping techniques....
As for BA at Heathrow and IT, massive number of flight cancellations and re routes going on at the moment, lots of people will be getting sent through LHR instead, BA actually sell a lot of connecting flight options (well try and sell) of into LHR out of LGW so every chance it could be the extra load causing them the problems or something getting into a nasty loop on it's own rather than something sinister
Jesus, just how vulnerable is our national infrastructure?
Probably on par with most countries, there is some interesting reading about the US automated voting booths and that tech, along with some of the hacking attempts on that.
Out of interest, don't they test plane engines by firing frozen turkeys at them, so surely a drone would cause little damage to the engine?
Also trying to aim a drone at plane can't be easy? How quick are drones
Just gone past the runway on the train. No sign of drones, lasers, shotgun totting toffs, eagles or Ruskies.
Out of interest, don’t they test plane engines by firing frozen turkeys at them, so surely a drone would cause little damage to the engine?
Also trying to aim a drone at plane can’t be easy? How quick are drones
A mate of mine in the US does this to F-35 engines!
So do we reckon
Putin?
Crazy kids, screwing around?
Islamists?
Yellow vest morons?
Climate change protestors?
This is fishier than that fermented swedish canned fish imho
In order...
Climate change protestors (or those that got arrested airside recently under a law that the media mis-represented as a terrorism law, but isn't)
Domestic authorities making evidence to speed up authoritarian laws
Russkies
Norks
It ain't someone doing it for a laugh or wicked footage for their sick edit
1:45 for drone vs wing
Anyhow, you don't need to actually be trying to hit an aircraft. Just pissing around inside the perimeter achieves all their needs.
Heh, flighttracker24 shows a few ground vehicles at Gatwick - one "leader7" has done a complete perimeter check.
Twitter now reporting that BA’s systems have gone down at Heathrow – IT failure.
Yip. I’m in the T5 lounge and the airport is carnage. Huge delays on every flight. Computers down.
Huge delays on every flight. Computers down.
Putin opened his Christmas presents early?
BoardinBob
Yip. I’m in the T5 lounge and the airport is carnage. Huge delays on every flight. Computers down.
Dude, think you need to change your username 🙁
Out of interest, don’t they test plane engines by firing frozen turkeys at them
Was covered back on page 1. They're not frozen. That'd just smash the fan and all the compressor stages to ****.
Very serious operators indeed imo.
Sincerely hope the Heathrow issues are a coincidence.
Dude, think you need to change your username 🙁
😂
At least an hours delay on 99% of flights😭
Jesus, just how vulnerable is our national infrastructure?
Considering how long people have been talking about the potential danger to aircraft from drones and inconsiderate hobbyists (let alone well organised/determined terrorists) it's amazing just how unprepared and vulnerable a major national airport is (similarly lots of talk and hot air around preventing drone flown contraband entering prisons but very little actually done about it).
for the list of likely suspects, is it too far fetched to suggest Gatwick or such like being "held to ransom" -- ?
Seems someone has been working on a set of solutions for a while.
Take a look at ECS (@ECS31): https://twitter.com/ECS31?s=09
Approaching Christmas. Airport held to ransom...
I have the answer to all of Gatwick's problems.-
I R O N M A N
Pictures emerging of the model of drone involved...
Grayling has reported that counter terrorism police are convinced that its not a terror act.
I guess if you were so inclined it couldn't be too difficult to have a few dotted around the place set to fly on a timer or mobile phone call with a predefined mission and then fly off somewhere safe to be retrieved once done. Gov't and Police are probably massively relieved its not terror related as its a huge pants down moment for them.
for the list of likely suspects, is it too far fetched to suggest Gatwick or such like being “held to ransom” — ?
It could be a sign that a 2nd referendum is closer, those clinging to power are trying to make sure any proper brexies are not in the costa del brexit for Christmas 🙂
Grayling has reported that counter terrorism police are convinced that its not a terror act.
The big advantage the government has is that they get to decide what is a terror indecent and what isn't. It's always good to be able to foil the terror plots or do something grand. Being a bit stumped and confused means it's defiantly not terror
Why don't they fire the frozen turkeys at the drones??
I'm sorry if this is a dumb question but... Am I missing a reason why an Army sniper couldn't be drafted in, in a ghilly suit, to take down the drone? .50 cal would sort it out PDQ
Whether terror or not isnt really the point though, whats more important is that it appears to have no fatal intent. So its a massive get out of jail card for the gov't/police who are obviously unprepared as they seem unable to deal with it quickly. What if it had been a festival or other large crowd and each drone had a bomb attached.
Last night, 43 aircraft were diverted away from Gatwick.
Of those, 20 declared min fuel en route to their diversion fields. That means the aircraft is committed to that field and cannot make it anywhere else.
1 declared a may day for fuel shortage.
I have nothing but contempt for whoever has done this although that Theresa May gif tickled me.
I have nothing but contempt for whoever has done this
yeah agreed, pretty horrible for anyone affected
I’m sorry if this is a dumb question but… Am I missing a reason why an Army sniper couldn’t be drafted in, in a ghilly suit, to take down the drone? .50 cal would sort it out PDQ
If you miss what can it hit? Already been mentioned in the BBC and other sources. But feel free to tweet the idea to the airport 😉
Because.50 and .338 will go straight through the drone and travel another few km.
Well hence wondering about professionals, rather than some weirdo who happens to have a sniper rifle knocking about... After all, the army do have experience (we're told) of hitting targets but not civilians in other parts of the world!
Maybe it's people demonstrating just how vulnerable airports are to drones to make a point before someone does it for more nefarious reasons?
Bit like when people hack companies IT systems then send them a report?
Not saying it's morally right, but it's a theory?
If they were that critical then surely some of the larger 'local' airports could have beeen used? No ILS but , Lasham is huge , Dunsfold , I know for a fact they stuck a 747 down but had to strip it to get it out . Bournmouth , Soton, Shoreham , London City , Southend , Thruxton, Odiham, Blackbushe , Farnborough.
Then I dont know where they were diverted to, LUton, Stanstead, LHR , I would guess , but arent there minimum fuel levels required at Take off to allow for travel to destination , plus a percenatge more ?
We all assume someones piloting these drones
or maybe all the Alexas have linked up into a hive mind
they are testing us, this is how it starts
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this is how it ends
So unless this has neen said allready... why have the military not go involved with tracking,spotting drones, dont they have some of the best drones and tech stuff. Surely they could see one from a long way off and see where it comes from etc
Singlettackmind, you make a good point about the diversion fields but out of all of that list they either can't take the size of aircraft or close at night. Drone was reported at 9 and aircraft held until they no longer could and then diverted. I can't remember the exact figures (Dan will) as it's been a long time since I had the books open, but aircraft will load fuel for a hold and potential diversion but due to the volume of diversion requests and subsequent approval, sequencing and repositioning, most would have been holding for way longer than anticipated.
its a little embarrassing how many in this thread wonder about shooting the drone down, but interesting that the caliber increases with the page count
still the army are on site now, hopefully they brought manpads.
Another thought - the drones are not constantly circling. Could they just be popping up now and again, threatening flights if they move?
Might explain that a 2 min window to find something is rather difficult...?
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They’ve asked the “take me to your leader” question and that’s got the Government stumped.</p>
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