[Closed] Friday A&A !

Isn't the thread called A&A ?

TJ said "# No posts of a sexual nature, including images of a sexual nature or intended to provoke a sexual response."

A&A doesn't do that.
It's down to personal response, impression and choice.

Seems like TJ can't handle a bit of A&A, and has the wrong end of a stick.
Hate to meet you in a Gallery.

Chabal showing his softer side ...

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without my intervention I am certain this would have degenerat4ed by now into leeriness and leching but you are so determined to show me to be wrong Ridiculous

Without the Daily Mail I'm sure that the country would have now degraded into an obscene pit of liberalism and filth. I just thank my lucky stars both TJ and The Mail are around to keep us all on the straight and narrow.

Damn,I need to watch more Ice skating! (wolf whistles)

Ok, she could break you in two, but what's not to like about a Jodie the triathlete with a name like that?

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TJ said "# No posts of a sexual nature, including images of a sexual nature or intended to provoke a sexual response."

A&A doesn't do that.
It's down to personal response, impression and choice.

Well, you cannot be sure of that. Given his objections, i think we can assume that they do provoke a sexual response in TJ.

It is interesting that mostly (although not all the time) the pictures of men are of them doing their sports and the "sexiness" of that image is incidental. whereas the women are often shot in their very skimpiest or revealing gear (or just in lingerie) in poses that imitate glamour models.

Doesn't really qualify, but worth a post anyway 😀

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Emsz > That may be true generally, but I don't think that's been the case in this thread at all. There's a couple of 'model' poses but they're the minority and not restricted to just the women.

EDIT: Thanks to _tom_ for exceptionally bad timing on his post there...!

I've just done a quick count and get 5/13 girls and 4/7 boys are posed photos so on this thread more of the boys are posed for 'sexyness'!!

😆 , should probably read the full thread next time!

Anyway, now that this is legit and TJ has 'gone to the pub', it seems less fun. Anyone got any good pictures of Tonya Harding, the Olympic skater?

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I might be able to find a couple of Mike Harding if that's any use to you?

Partypants - you're allowed to post that one cos it's really funny 😀 lol!

It is interesting that mostly (although not all the time) the pictures of men are of them doing their sports and the "sexiness" of that image is incidental. whereas the women are often shot in their very skimpiest or revealing gear (or just in lingerie) in poses that imitate glamour models.

That's exactly why I think the only rule should be that the athlete is shown in their working clothes, thus maintaing the status of being an athlete and keeping it from being offensive. Except partypants.... That's classic. 😆

[i]It is interesting that mostly (although not all the time) the pictures of men are of them doing their sports and the "sexiness" of that image is incidental. whereas the women are often shot in their very skimpiest or revealing gear (or just in lingerie) in poses that imitate glamour models. [/i]

Victoria Pendleton brought this one up quite recently actually, saying about how women in sport were more inclined to do modelling work to get themselves noticed whereas men got noticed because of their sporting performances. You can kind of argue that VP has both what with her being one of Britain's best ever track sprinters but she made her point very well. It's a bit worse in cycling than it is in some other sports cos cycling is so heavily male dominated.

FFS, damo, there's always one. Please edit that out, would you.

Thanks.

Never mind gender politics, stop Chabal from eating that bloody baby!

No need for that, was there Flashy? 😯

And why aren't you on TJ's thread, constructing a sensible, rational, reasoned argument against him? Hmm?

Still signs of misogyny on here though. And I think some folk still don't quite understand the distinction between the aesthetics of athleticism, and gratuitous objectification....

and I don't see why the term 'misogyny' is being used here. I can see tht there may be a lack of respect and/or and objectification of women, but hatred? No.

Well, presenting women as nowt more than objects for sexual gratification isn't exactly friendly towards femininity, is it?

Why bother posting these threads when all it does is result in a slanging match and one-upmanship, surely you can just enjoy these pics without the need to post them, or just use a link instead.

Well, presenting women as nowt more than objects for sexual gratification isn't exactly friendly towards femininity, is it?

No, but is done perhaps with a lack of regard for women rather than a hatred.

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Athletic and atractive and on topic. Still my favourite, Emilia Fahlin.

CharlieMungus - Member

"I'd be surprised if anyone here was leching?"

I totally am. I get strongly aroused at the thought of sebastien chabal eating that baby.

Partypants - you're allowed to post that one cos it's really funny lol!

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without my intervention I am certain this would have degenerat4ed by now into leeriness and leching but you are so determined to show me to be wrong Ridiculous

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So in TJ's world, these aren't acceptable on the forum even though there were life size cardboard cut outs near the check out at Asda?

C'mon, you know the score. That stuff is demeaning! no buts!

Buts or butts?

The male photo's inspire me to train/ ride harder. the female photo's do the same but are better. I am sure there's no harm admiring a beautiful female physique, which don't forgot have often been aquired through lot's of dedication to their training plans and sport 😉

I note that pictures of overweight male transvestites in pink frocks are no longer acceptable, according to the mods.

Cor baby, that's really free.

Still signs of misogyny on here though

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. </Inigo>

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Now now Cougar - it sounds derogatory and is used in relation to women, ergo in the context of this thread it gives the impression the user knows what they are talking about and must therefore be casually dropped in to reinforce the posters' credentials. The fact that it is used (IMHO and yours) incorrectly is irrelevant!

I like this definition
[i][b]mysoginist:[/b][/i]
[i]A man who hates every bone in a woman's body, except his.[/i]

I don't understand all this sexual repression. A&A is not pronography.

Why is it degrading or perverted to think that someone is attractive?

Why is it assumed that I'm objectifying someone I fancy?

I really wonder if TJ and the PC brigade are reacting to their own repressed or perverted thoughts. IMO, the A&A thread is a brilliant idea as long as it remains sport-themed, tasteful and gender balanced.

This is getting most of my books, too many words and not enough pictures!!!
Leryn Franco (pointy stick throwist)
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Buzz - do yu really not understand?

firstly of course its objectifying women because it is purely judging them on their looks

Why is it assumed that I'm objectifying someone I fancy?

sport-themed, tasteful and gender balanced.

I have made my point althou as usual people make up things I have said in order to prove their point. for example I never said what is contained in Twins post above.

some find it hard to grasp the reason why this sort of thread is out of place, disrespectful and distasteful on this sort of forum and in the modern era which is a sad reflection on how are society is.

Anyway - I have made my point and I shall leave you to it.

Anyway - I have made my point and I shall leave you to it.

Until next time, 🙄 . Bye!

Now now Cougar - it sounds derogatory and is used in relation to women, ergo in the context of this thread it gives the impression the user knows what they are talking about and must therefore be casually dropped in to reinforce the posters' credentials. The fact that it is used (IMHO and yours) incorrectly is irrelevant!

Have a read up on 'misogyny' and you might find I was using the word correctly. Behaviour which reduces women to nothing more than objects for male sexual gratification is misogynistic. Having said that, this thread has very little overt behaviour of this kind. Probbly because people are actually now mindful that they need to carefully consider their behaviour a little more. And so they should.

I'd say that was a TJ [b]win[/b], actually. 🙂

some find it hard to grasp the reason why [b][i]I think[/i][/b] this sort of thread is out of place, disrespectful and distasteful on this sort of forum and in the modern era which is a sad reflection on how are society is.

Fixed that for you...

"Buzz - do yu really not understand?"

No, no I really don't. Perhaps because I don't have a distorted outlook on gender and sexuality. Wake up and smell the coffee: how women look is important to men. But only fool thinks that men ONLY judge women on their looks...

I have noticed there are some silly, provocative pics posted [rolls eyes] - you must have realised you are being trolled? While I respect your right to a different opinion, your constant badgering on A and A borders on harassment. Keep it up and you will get a complaint.

Here's a personal fav: the blisteringly fast Lindsey Vonn, who brings sex appeal to top flight women's skiing.
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Keep it up and you will get a complaint.

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who brings sex appeal to top flight women's skiing

"Buzz - do yu really not understand?"

No, no I really don't. Perhaps because [b]I don't have a distorted outlook on gender and sexuality[/b]. Wake up and smell the coffee: how women look is important to men.

Then:

Lindsey Vonn, who brings sex appeal to top flight women's skiing.

So, female skiers need to be 'sexy' then? Why is it only Lindsey Vonn, in your onion, who brings 'sex appeal' to skiing? Don't any of the other women skiers have 'sex appeal'? Please explain why only miss Vonn has 'sex appeal'. I'd be very interested in reading your views.

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A&A is in the rules, TJ!

TandemJeremy - Member

Anyway - I have made my point and I shall leave you to it.

I bet you can't leave it, you love it too much!
you seem to like the reaction that you create.

Have a read up on 'misogyny' and you might find I was using the word correctly. Behaviour which reduces women to nothing more than objects for male sexual gratification is misogynistic.

If you really want all pics containing attractive people showing off their physique to be banned, you are effectively trying to deny that sexual attraction exists.

Elf, are you a TJ wannabe? Instead of complaining, criticising and being a useless non-contributing critic, get onto your piccy library and show us an athletic AND attractive (fe)male person.
You could show yourself playing footie for example.
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Elf, are you a TJ wannabe? Instead of complaining, criticising and being a useless non-contributing critic

Instead of moaning, Hairy, why not go away have a read of what I've written, then try to understand it. Education's a wonderful thing you know.

Then, if you're capable of formulating an intelligent, informed response, come back and we'll discuss things.

Oh, and have a look at what 'irony' means too, while you're at it... 😉

Thought so. As you were.

Rumbled. 😳

TJ you are being a bit hypocritical. When Cinnamon Girl posted a link to a lingerie site your response was "are you going to model them for us" dont say that the likes of A+A drives women away, statements like yours to CG are more likely to drive girls away.

When you're married moaning is one of few pleasures you can indulge in, Elf.
Show us your A&A, c'mon mate!

I'd say that was a TJ win, actually.

Don't any of the other women skiers have 'sex appeal'? Please explain why only miss Vonn has 'sex appeal'.

oooh this is an interesting one Elf. Let me ask you this...Do you think she has sex appeal? Do you think all women skiers have sex appeal? if not, which ones don't and why. If so, then do all women have sex appeal?

TJ you are being a bit hypocritical. When Cinnamon Girl posted a link to a lingerie site your response was "are you going to model them for us" dont say that the likes of A+A drives women away, statements like yours to CG are more likely to drive girls away.

Pigface - have to disagree with you there. I knew TJ was joking, we have both been on here for many years, and I knew fine well that he disliked the whole A & A thing.

Jeremy Clarkson introducing the author of "The Female Eunuch" on Have I Got News etc...

"And on Ian Hislop's team, a woman who, in 1970 said that all Englishmen were either queer or impotent ([i]well, at least the ones she managed to get interested in HER, anyway[/i]) - Germaine Greer."

He's a card, that Clarko...

Discuss.

Have you read 'The Female Eunuch'?

And bad luck pigface, swing and a miss.

Pigface - have to disagree with you there. I knew TJ was joking, we have both been on here for many years, and I knew fine well that he disliked the whole A & A thing.

but what about the dainty waifs venturing out into the machismo world of MTB? are their catholic sensibilities to be ignored? their good nature offended by unhealthy discourse between fallen women and disreputable oafs flaunting their uncouth urges on a public forum?

some roman chicks prancing around in bikini's doing some exercise

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Sorry just saw your 3 into 1 question Fred. I'll try to answer, for what it's worth.

"Why is it only Lindsey Vonn, in your onion, who brings 'sex appeal' to skiing? Don't any of the other women skiers have 'sex appeal'? Please explain why only miss Vonn has 'sex appeal'."

There are many sexy skiers of both genders. Maybe it's the skinsuits, maybe it's the speed, maybe it's the winning. Maybe it's the blonde hair but I find Lindsey particularly appealing. And I suspect I'm not alone in that opinion. You might find Anja Paerson, a skiier I also admire, more appealing. So what?

It's funny, we were watching a fav film of mine the other night: Solaris, with George Clooney. I love the whole idea of the film. The GF let slip she just like looking at George 🙂 She's not being "dirty minded" or unfaithful, she just enjoys his sexyness. We can sit together and enjoys a film together for entirely different reasons at that's great.

Imagine her reaction if I starting scolding her for being lewd and banned her from watching it?

A and A is in the rules. Setting out to disrupt peoples enjoyment of the forum is illiberal and against the rules.

Anyway, here's a pic of Anja to cheer you up:
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Mr Woppit, I really don't think that helps.

TJ, your attitudes are unhealthy. Please take them somewhere else.

No, but it fits really well.

TJ is a puritan. Look what happened LAST time they were let loose on us. We should be grateful he's restricted to belabouring us with his admonitions (with which of course, I agree) on a PUBLIC internet forum...

Anyone for the dungeon?

cinnamon_girl - Member

(Pigface) "TJ you are being a bit hypocritical. When Cinnamon Girl posted a link to a lingerie site your response was "are you going to model them for us" dont say that the likes of A+A drives women away, statements like yours to CG are more likely to drive girls away".

Pigface - have to disagree with you there. I knew TJ was joking, we have both been on here for many years, and I knew fine well that he disliked the whole A & A thing.

C-G; [i]you[/i] knew, but that's not the point. TJ's misogynistic comment definitely caused at least 300 women (who didn't know) to leave the forum, forever.

here's a picture of Daley Thompson, a very A&A person:

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and i'm not even gay or owt.

i'm allowed to watch 'mammals' with Dave Attenborough, and i'm allowed to find an aesthetic beauty in the form and movement of a dolphin or a leopard without anyone calling me a grubby pervert.

if i admit to seeing similar grace and beauty in a human being, it seems my name is added to the sex offenders register.

Well, one thing's for sure is that after all this carry-on, no new girlies will be ar*ed to join the Forum. 🙄

Well, one thing's for sure is that after all this carry-on, no new girlies will be ar*ed to join the Forum.

Why not, as it seems that not all 'girlies' feel the same way as you about A&A or TandemJeremy's personal crusade on behalf of all womankind?

Well, one thing's for sure is that after all this carry-on, no new girlies will be ar*ed to join the Forum.

In my opinion the girlies or women who are out there are treated as equals on the threads and there is no reason why more women shouldn't join in.

can you back that up cinnamon girl? I think it is actually a very positive thread! I may be wrong, but Tj is just trying too hard to be thoughtful and altruistic to everyone. what a bastard.

Anyone else watching Legally Blonde on TV?

A suggestion.

Those objecting to the A&A thread buy themselves a woman's magazine and look at what's in it.

Those objecting to the A&A thread open their eyes and look at the images presented in public places (eg advertising material).

What this comes down to is if you are offended, then put on blinkers so you can't see what is all around you and what is regarded as suitable for public display.

maybe they are offended by the term "girlies"?
or "chicks" 🙄

Ok as I still keep being attacked by people who don't understand the point I was trying to make and my point has been lost in people making up things I have supposedly said

Firstly giving women (and its always mainly women on these threads with men as a fig leaf) value only according to their attractiveness is sexist and disrespectful.

Secondly theses threads always deteriorate into leering laddishness "cor look at that" and "i'd like to vault her with my pole"

IMO and that of a significant number of posters this sort of behaviour is inappropriate on a forum like this. There are plenty of other sites if you like that sort of thing

I am not offended by the pictures themselves - its the attitudes the posters display that I find mildy offensive and certainly very sad.

"i'd like to vault her with my pole"

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She can vault me with her pole anytime.

Mr Woppit - Member

Love those skintights...

What's with those rubber horse? I don't get it. 😯

tj just accept it man you have made a tool of yer self this time. 😐

IMO and that of a significant number of posters this sort of behaviour is inappropriate on a forum like this. There are plenty of other sites if you like that sort of thing

Firstly, I don't think you're using the word "significant" in the correct context there, as an overwhelming majority of the people who have posted on this subject don't agree with you.

Secondly, most of us did understand your point but disagreed with it. The fact that you automatically assume that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are too stupid to understand your point, I find more offensive than any number of "I'd like to vault her with my pole" comments. And it's not just on this thread that you've made that assumption.

Lastly, A&A is covered in the forum rules, which are dictated by the people who own and publish this forum. As Mark has already stated, A&A will stay and surely it's his decision as to whether it is appropriate, not yours.

Weelz - its clear many folk do not understand the point or people would not be saying " if you are offended don't open the thread" Its not about the effect on me, its about the tone it sets and the acceptance of sexist comments on threads.

As for offensive - just look at the insults that have been hurled my way. Nice.

Anyway - as you say Mark said his piece as well.

I merely wanted to correct the misunderstanding that some have of my point

I will bow out again.

I am not offended by the pictures themselves - its the attitudes the posters display that I find mildy offensive and certainly very sad.

But I thought [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/an-end-to-aa-friday-kylie-please#post-2180918 ]you simply disagree with posting pictures of scantily clad women and rule breaking, even though clearly no rule is being broken.[/url] A bit of continuity in the argument wouldn't go amiss. 🙄