[Closed] Freemen On The Land

Everyday's a school-day.
Didn't know they existing.
Look forward to meeting one.

Met one or two - even King Arthur Pendragon himself!
Now he really is a character - and yes that Broadsword IS real and yes he CAN legally carry it which annoys no end of people 😆

I've always thought police should have the discretion to arrest someone for no other crime than just being a knob. This thread re-enforces that view. You sir, are a knob. Come with me.

There would be no police left if that were the case, they would all be arresting each other!

Yep a new one on me - absolutely hilarious 🙂 as my son responds (to almost anything) with "it's just a social construct".
I'm saving my retort of "Yeah it's just a social construct that you can sleep safe in your bed at night."

If you want to understand why the whole 'freeman on the land' is b-l-x a quick look at why the first European democracy failed is informative; Iceland... "Importantly, there was no central executive power, and therefore laws were enforced only by the people. This gave rise to blood-feuds"

There was a video doing the rounds a year or two back of an absolute arse of Scottish guy, and I really cannot stress the word arse enough, who'd been pulled over for driving while using his mobile phone. Spouted off all the sovereign nonsense, claimed he wasn't driving and spouted off some ancient legalese etc which meant he wasn't "driving". The policeman was remarkably calm.

Bottom line, these crackpots are free to believe the laws of the land don't apply to them, but regardless of that, piloting a big van and using a mobile at the same time is a 100% dick move and no amount of gibberish or nonsense will account for that.

Here he is

[quote=franksinatra ]I've always thought police should have the discretion to arrest someone for no other crime than just being a knob. This thread re-enforces that view. You sir, are a knob. Come with me.

"You are under arrest on suspicion of breaking Wheaton's Law"

Good tune this one

[quote=BoardinBob ]There was a video doing the rounds a year or two back of an absolute arse of Scottish guy, and I really cannot stress the word arse enough, who'd been pulled over for driving while using his mobile phone. Spouted off all the sovereign nonsense, claimed he wasn't driving and spouted off some ancient legalese etc which meant he wasn't "driving". The policeman was remarkably calm.

The policemen are good. He is quoting from "Black's Law Dictionary", which is a US thing 🙄

In breach of the Being Bloody Stupid Act (1581)

yes that Broadsword IS real and yes he CAN legally carry it

Can anyone explain why?

Can anyone explain why?

King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.

Dennis the Peasant: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Arthur: Be quiet!

Dennis the Peasant: You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

Arthur: Shut up

Dennis the Peasant: I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

nullpointer - Member
yes that Broadsword IS real and yes he CAN legally carry it
Can anyone explain why?

I'll have to ask but off the top of my head its to do with the fact he has proven his bloodline beyond doubt and therefore by being part of his birthright, etc.
He is the head of the Druids of Stonehenge, etc too so he is very well known to Avon and Somerset Police, etc.
His right doesn't extend to shopping in Waitrose but might apply to Lidl.

My uncle can carry a sword through York as he is a Freeman*of the City. Cant see why a self appointed druid priest gets to carry a sword unless he argues it is part of his religious dress or national costume, but as a Druid he would be on Historically shaky ground with a Broad Sword.
*honorific Freeman not nutter he can also drive sheep and cows through the city.

I am absolutely sure that a bloke called Rothwell from wakefield has not proven his bloodline to King Arthur or Uthur Pendragon beyond even statistical doubt. We are not even sure the "historical" one existed.

to be 100% accurate he claims to be the reincarnation and I think that would be equally problematic to prove in a court of law.

We've got a chap up here, who you might say is an 'individual', with a keen interest in Romans. He came to the village hall to vote in the Referendum fully dressed as a Centurion, complete with sword. Almost certainly not legal, almost certainly no danger to anyone, no real reason not to just let him get on with it. Maybe Arthur is equally well known to his local constabulary and they too realise it's better all round just to let him get on with it?

to be 100% accurate he claims to be the reincarnation and I think that would be equally problematic to prove in a court of law.

I think the argument would be that S139 CJA 1988 creates the offence of 'having article with a blade or point in a public place.' though section five states that

(5)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with him—
(a)for use at work;
(b)[u]for religious reasons[/u]; or
(c)as part of any national costume.

So, as long as your made up religion allows you to carry a knife (be it sikhism with the kirpan or druidism with the broadsword) then you should be allowed to carry it in a public place (unless you intended to use it as a weapon obviously)

(b)for religious reasons; or

He's not from oop norf - he's a southerner.
As King to the Druids - he's their protector hence being armed.
I don't pretend to know the exact historics behind it all- however having come across him 30+ times over the last 15yrs, I know from A+S that he is allowed and has even stood before the Master of the High Court fully robed and armed and been given leave to carry. I was there that time as a witness to the events.

He is from oop north though , given his role, I assume he resides down south now.
He has been allowed to swear on his sword in court cases
A+S= what does this mean ?

Are we talking about the same Arthur Uther Pendragon ? when was he in the high court and what for i can find an appearance that mentions a sword before a magistrate who happens to be Lord Tenby but that was for poll tax.

I would be really amused to see a High Court case where the litigant got to wear a sword rather like Courts Martial notifications which read "you will be notified under separate cover if you are required to bring a side arm."

you will be notified under separate cover if you are required to bring a side arm.

Yeah looked into this some time ago, it's an interesting state of affairs the difference between you and your legal entity!

Shame to see people grasp the wrong end of the nettle lumping them together with conspiracy theorists. Still one of the famous Freemen set himself on fire in protest in India, so yeah can see why it's linked with unhinged characters. To use electrical terminology it's certainly not the path of least resistance! surprise surprise the state says no and generally F*&s with your shit and then some.

Again - he is not from up north.
He was born in Sometset and live there most of his life.
A&S - Avon and Somerset Constabulary who I referred to in my earlier post.
I can't say why he was there in the High Court but it wasn't what you're thinking Crankboy - far more serious.

Really why can't you say why he was in the high court ? Top secret or don't know ?
We must be talking about a different Arthur other pendragon sword bearer to the druids who appears in the media cos the media one was born Rothwell in Wakefield . what was the birth name of yours ?

Yeah looked into this some time ago, it's an interesting state of affairs the difference between you and your legal entity!

We must be talking about a different Arthur other pendragon sword bearer to the druids who appears in the media cos the media one was born Rothwell in Wakefield . what was the birth name of yours ?

Maybe there are two of him, its King Arthur not Highlander.

@ Konabunny - Gets me where?

As for the punctuation I'm sure you will get over it in time.

I think that the eratic punctuation point is not a personal dig it is one of the pseudo arguments Freemen raise to try and create a difference between an individual and their legal identity. Top tip there is no difference .
Thegrateape if you have the joy of one seeking to argue the travel/driving point based on Blackstone legal dictionary whilst of course it is an American book so it is wholly appropriate to simply say "well if we are playing by American rules "then tazzer them it is more subtle to ask them how Blackstone defines " Employed."

Perhaps I should dig out and carry my own copy!

I also wonder, since he was so fond of mentioning it, if I should have challenged him to explain to me how Magna Carta, signed in 1215 by the English king, in England, determining how English law and the English Parliament thereafter developed, had any relevance in Scotland, a country that only became united with England almost 500 years later, and which in any case retained its own entirely separate legal system. But I wasn't really thinking quick enough (nor do I know what the answer is).

Crankboy - I can't say in the same way the Greatape can't say about details of his work.
We know what he does but it stops there.

I think the answer may be that he was born in Yorkshire btut moved down soth at an early age

Hence those who are using WIki/google[myself included] think he is a northerner and those who know him think he is a southerner

Actually theGreatape can and does talk about details of his work .If Arthur was in the high court as you say then you can talk about it as it is a matter of public record that is one of the principals of British Justice I can think of only 4 reasons why he may appear without being identified and in the only good one he would have blown it by swearing on the sword.

I like the way on a thread started by the greatape about his work someone says he cannot talk about his work just like greatape

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2607.html

cheers ninfan do you want a job? Not sure that would be the case though as there is no need for anyone to swear on a sword sourced from an aquatic wench or otherwise in a judicial review dealt with on the papers and by oral representations not by calling live evidence.

I'm sure that there is a great deal of Greatapes working day that he wouldn't talk about on here in his capacity or he wouldn't be working in that capacity for very much longer.

Not everything is a matter of public record.
There are many times there is a closed court - particularly where its the High Court.
Security issues, the safety of those being heard, etc all can call for a closed court with the court transcripts being sealed.
The fact he was there on numerous occasions over the years is common knowledge - the reason why on certain occasions isn't.

Maybe you shouldn't talk about things you shouldn't talk about, then. 🙄

konabunny - Member
Maybe you shouldn't talk about things you shouldn't talk about, then.

It's ok, we won't listen. 🙂

Surely if they are ourside the law the cops could simply smack them in the face with a truncheon and drag them away to be locked up and they'd have no comeback?

Or, Guantanamo bay, same thing.

I believe they have a list of financial charges that they invoice you for if you do a mean thing to them.

& how are these charges enforced?

Through the courts one assumes 🙂

(Buggered if I know, I'm fairly sure I sure something about such charges when I was reading about them yesterday)

& how are these charges enforced?

Admiralty law of course:

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