[Closed] Frankie Boyle on hunger strike...

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Let him out or a comedian who basis his act on foul mouthed ranting pops his clogs.

Did you read your own link

Comedian Frankie Boyle has started a week-long hunger strike to show his support for the last British detainee at Guantanamo Bay

Note he even jokes about the situation.

Another fruitloop sticking up for something he has no knowledge on. Let the twit keel over.

Let the twit keel over.

Classy.

Junkyard - lazarus

Yes a situation so bad even Frankie wont make a poor taste joke.....must be serious

You don't think " Its the Pizza shop thats really suffering" in poor taste?

I don't claim to be a great expert on it either, but just *how* much knowledge do you need to have about someone being detained for 11 years without trial in a detention centre with practices that are borderline torture before you, in your role as Someone On The Internet, green-light a protest without wishing death onto the protester?

Just curious, like. I find it a little odd that making a protest offends you more than a decade of detaining someone without trial.

But I'm sure you know lots about it and are therefore right.

Why should a response to this be classy? The bloke is doing something that will have no effect whatsoever and is media whoring for his own good. I have little to no time for the ignorance that some seem to have when it comes to cases like this. It always boils down to the same question... what the he'll were you doing there? Afghan has been a no go area for well over a decade, coincidence is seldom believed...

is media whoring for his own good

Nobody should ever do anything. Especially if he or she is famous because it'd just be media whoring. Yeah!

what the he'll were you doing there

Some of them weren't doing anything in particular except just being there - that's why they were released without charge.

The bloke is doing something that will have no effect whatsoever and is media whoring for his own good.

This. Other than that I'm not interested in the politocs. Mr Boyle is hardly known as a human right campaigner is he now?

However, should he prove to do some good / have genuine motivation, I apologise in advance.

I could get my self in trouble on this thread so i'm not going to do any more than make the following comment. To make fun of disabled people is not funny, he is not funny. In fact hes a total ****.

[i]Afghan has been a no go area for well over a decade, coincidence is seldom believed... [/i]

True, and they should never have re-opened the Birmingham Six case - I'm mean a load of Irish on a late train; they should've known better...

The Americans have no/little evidence over and above - they were there.

The Americans have no/little evidence over and above - they were there.

resists, so logs of and goes out for walk.

Yes of course, just there, then surely they have more reasons to keep him going by that statement...

When was the last time Afghan was on your must have holiday destination, with the exception of the Northern mountains mountains and maybe the lakes around kajake the place is an utter sh!thole.

Send Frankie Boyle over there and let him perform for the "detainees" I'm sure they would confess to anything after having their human rights violated in such appalling fashion.

You don't think " Its the Pizza shop thats really suffering" in poor taste?

what the he'll were you doing there?

The Bush administration acknowledged later that it had no evidence against Aamer, and he was cleared for release in 2007. The Obama administration cleared him for release in 2009

I thought the story was that he was an aid worker. They tend to go to troubled areas. You seem to be thinking of holidaymakers. I'm not sure anyone in Guantanamo was hauled out of Magaluf, were they?

Magaluf, deserved to be.!

Hunger strike you say? Hopefully he will be succesful, fingers crossed.

If he was an aid worker, then he will of been registered so no problem. However (and I feel an odd sense of dejavu), if evidence supports that he was there legit, and has been cleared then fine, I apologise. Frankie Boyle however is still a c o ck.

My points about other detainees unless otherwise proven stand.

Sui - Member

The bloke is doing something that will have no effect whatsoever ......

It's made the news and has provided publicity, you're claim of "no effect" is false.

Sui - Member

I have little to no time for the ignorance that some seem to have when it comes to cases like this.

You have displayed some startling ignorance.

Sui, you seem to be hoisting yourself by your own "sticking up for something he has no knowledge on" petard.

I think we should all care greatly about Frankie Boyle's health and welfare during this period - it might just confuse him.

I'm really looking forward to the punch line.

I see the irony I really do.. I shall in future check facts before I tirade into subjects like this. Boyle is still a tw at though..

I think we should all care greatly about Frankie Boyle's health and welfare during this period - it might just confuse him.

Sui, I surely hope you have never broken/will break the law because your own argument would suggest that if you were believed guilty the judiciary could dispense with due process...

Maybe you want to think things through again?

Jam I do agree, but then I'll always stand by my point that not all situations can, or even should follow a typical due process, if it did the world would already be a very different place. Exceptions are needed, the problem with these detentions is that a number of them have been done on prevention measures as opposed to reactionary. I may be overly biased due to my own experiences, as are a large number of others.

Sui - Member

Exceptions are needed

It has been established for almost 800 years that there can never be exceptions :

[i][b]No Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseized of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land.[/i][/b]

It would appear that people in the middle ages were more enlighten than you.

Ernie, not everything written millennia ago is fit for purpose.

"[I]not all situations can, or even should follow a typical due process. Exceptions are needed, the problem with these detentions is that a number of them have been done on prevention measures as opposed to reactionary[/i]"

This seems odd logic, in that the but that bothers you is the bit I think is arguably justifiable.

To me, there is a tenable argument for detention without normal process as a preventative measure, if there is - for example - a certain degree of confidence that to do so would prevent the loss of many lives. In other words, if you see a 9/11 coming and can't get warrants and you need to detain first and produce evidence later then many people would say fine. But to go for more than a decade with no justification? That seems, unlike preventative detention, unjustifiable to me.

So would you be happy allowing those who were detained under preventative measures to be allowed to carry out an act at a later date, all because the law states that you cannot be held indefinitely for planning? I'm sure all those who have lost friends and relatives would not.

Ernie, not everything written millennia ago is fit for purpose.

Apart from a few very dodgy and unpleasant people, most people believe that habeas corpus is still very 'fit for purpose'.

It's ironic that a scum bag like Boyle supports the remaining scum locked up in Guantanamo, and it's ironic that Ernie spouts on about human rights when he idolizes an undemocratic marxist who chose to murder his political opponents.

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Media whore.

A week without food ! go a month without food before i consider to take you serious.
I was ill a few months back, did about a week without food before i could eat again.
Perhaps he is doing an extreme diet book ? i only lost about 2 kg.

And he's the chap that likes cracking hurtfull jokes about others on twitter.
Won't miss him IF he pegs it after a week of extreme dieting, which i doubt he will as a week without food (will he even stick to it)is not serious.......now back in the 70's/80's the H-block hunger strikes where they smeared poo over every square inch of the cells, that's a serious hunger strike..... or follow through for several weeks until he pegs it....

And it's ironic that enfht is too thick to realise that David Cameron supports "the remaining scum locked up in Guantanamo" being released.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22960826 ]Guantanamo inmate Shaker Aamer discussed by Cameron[/url]

[i]The case of the last UK resident held in Guantanamo Bay has been raised by Prime Minister David Cameron in talks with US President Barack Obama.[/i]

But perhaps you think that David Cameron is just Marxist scum, eh enfht ? 🙂

"[I]So would you be happy allowing those who were detained under preventative measures to be allowed to carry out an act at a later date, all because the law states that you cannot be held indefinitely for planning?[/i]"

Well, there will always be false positives and/or false negatives. And equally, intelligence information is often highly sensitive and I wouldn't argue for all information to be in the public domain immediately. But if people were detained because of a degree of confidence then it should follow that either sufficiently compelling evidence ought to be discoverable, or it should be accepted that maybe the confidence was misplaced.

How many innocent lives equate to the retention of civil liberties, or how much curtailment of liberty is worth zero deaths? It's an unanswerable question at the core of any "free" society.

If a terrorist attack occurs, who do you blame most within your own culture? The agencies who didn't detain them preventatively, or the governments who pissed other countries and cultures off?

So would you be happy allowing those who were detained under preventative measures to be allowed to carry out an act at a later date, all because the law states that you cannot be held indefinitely for planning? I'm sure all those who have lost friends and relatives would not.

No I wouldn't be happy.
Nor would I be happy with someone being locked up who hadn't actually done anything.

Life's complicated.

If Frankie Boy has got any balls he'd see this through to the end. Not just one week. Jog on Frankie.

So would you be happy allowing those who were detained under preventative measures to be allowed to carry out an act at a later date, all because the law states that you cannot be held indefinitely for planning?

Ah, yes. What IanMunro said nice and concisely, instead of my verbose waffle.

IM +1 and your verbose waffle is always worth a read Bez 😉

What staggers me is the very personal and OTT attacks on a comedian, who appears to be using his position to highlight an area which has no doubt escaped much of Joe Public's attention.

Seems very un-PC for the oh-so PC brigade to wish someone harm, or even death, for supporting a serious human rights issue!

..now back in the 70's/80's the H-block hunger strikes where they smeared poo over every square inch of the cells, that's a serious hunger strike..... or follow through

Brilliant

I genuinely do not give a crap what Cameron thinks, so not sure what your point is Ernesto.

Like the ones in america keeping people in guatanamo and the people themselves who are held there, will like me, be asking who is Frankie Boyle, and when told he passes himself off as a comediene, then his hunger strike is not at all funny or one of his best jokes.

ahhhh bless you singletrack. You remind me why I dislike the world and have no faith in humanity. xx

"You want me to stand up against or even take notice of a decade of detention without trial? But you once told some jokes I didn't like! Hope you die, and screw the guy in Gitmo!"

still resisting a rant.. im doing really well

Ah gawan gawan gawan

will like me, be asking who is Frankie Boyle, and when told he passes himself off as a comediene

But you once told some jokes I didn't like!

Don't ever underestimate the hatred some people feel for comedians they don't like.

will like me, be asking who is Frankie Boyle, and when told he passes himself off as a comediene

Are you getting confused with Lily Savage?

Where as Lily Savage, was actually funny and a stereo type of a scouse woman,helped a lot of cross dresers and women impersonators to find their way in life, and he lived down the road from me and so did Lilly.

Clearly, also don't underestimate the toss some people couldn't give about people locked up for a large part of their lives with no trial in a society whose civil liberties they personally exercise daily.

.......and he lived down the road from me and so did Lilly.

If that doesn't qualify and add value to your opinion then I don't know what does !

,helped a lot of cross dresers and women impersonators to find their way in life

Yeah, Clive Stafford Smith! What a bell- end as well. I've never found him funny and i can't see how his hunger strike helped anyone, nor the bloke who,takes over from Frankie.

At times like this i want some of the old guard back, they were the only ones with enough patience and perseverance to chase down these stupid ideas and give them no place to hide.

Julie Christie could be following Frankie Boyle. What's her standup routine like ?

I like threads like this, they are a great help to me in compiling my "stupid" list.

FWIW I wasn't aware of the specific individual involved before Frankie Boyle (who I have no strong opinions of one way or the other) got involved with the hunger strike. So in that sense, job well done. Sometimes just starting the debate is the hardest thing to do.

Due process Sui is [u]essential[/u]. Without it we head towards increased oppression and reduction of essential liberty. If opportunism comes before integrity you end up in a bad, bad place. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance as the saying goes... Vigilance should be turned inwards and outward.

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I love Frankie Boyle..
I know it's en vogue to dislike him, and probably makes you popular in your office, but the bloke's a sound geezer..

If you read his books or even watch his comedy with an ounce of intelligent thought, it's very plain to see that he is mostly thoroughly disgusted with the apathetic and self congratulatory consumerist morality of modern British society..
One of his books from a good few years back is virtually a maniacal tirade against the appalling lengths that the British government seem willing to go to in the pursuit of self gratification, with almost complete focus on human rights atrocities, and well researched and thought out arguments against various military campaigns

folk with glazed over eyes and slack jaws that bumble around like flies at windows slagging off Boyle need a good hard punch in the face

If he was an aid worker, then he will of been registered so no problem.

His comedy tickles my funny bone. Yunki +1.

I love Frankie Boyle..
I know it's en vogue to dislike him, and probably makes you popular in your office, but the bloke's a sound geezer..

If you read his books or even watch his comedy with an ounce of intelligent thought, it's very plain to see that he is mostly thoroughly disgusted with the apathetic and self congratulatory consumerist morality of modern British society..
One of his books from a good few years back is virtually a maniacal tirade against the appalling lengths that the British government seem willing to go to in the pursuit of self gratification, with almost complete focus on human rights atrocities, and well researched and thought out arguments against various military campaigns

folk with glazed over eyes and slack jaws that bumble around like flies at windows slagging off Boyle need a good hard punch in the face

Never mind all that - has he been of any use in giving publicity to the plight of the last British resident held in Guantanamo Bay ?

The OP who started this thread, and brought the issue to everyone's attention, doesn't seem to think so.

I wonder why it is the opium trade has constantly been on the increase since the invasion of Afghanistan... it's not as if the CIA has any history of involvement in the drugs trade. 😐

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

Certainly no evidence to suggest both the CIA and FBI have at the very least prior knowledge of the majority of 'terrorist' attacks, or in many instances have encouraged and aided violence.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515

Are all the guantanamo detainee's angels? Perhaps not, but I'm happy to bet there is a large number who's only crime is being born on the wrong side of the world whilst hate and misrepresentation is being portrayed by powerbrokers with an agenda.

What are you on about jive? This is like deja vu. Only just seen the Adabolajo thread.

Your two links appear to have nothing with either Shaker Aamer nor the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.

So well done for posting random unrelated stuff !

Unless of course you can provide a strange and elaborate conspiracy theory to connect all these seemingly unrelated issues ? 🙂

Well, depending on how open minded you are, I could be providing a degree of informed insight into how the media skews perception of some of the darker realities of western politics, or alternatively, I could be a fruitloop, who is away with the fairies...

Frankie Boyle is a good un:

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People are using Instagram-type effects on screenshots now? I might do a week's hunger strike to protest against that.

That last bit is more like it jive. Don't over think things on a Saturday night. 🙂

whether you like Mr Boyle's humour or not, he's drawing attention to a grim situation.

if you think "force feeding" of hunger strikers is stuffing nice cakes in someone's mouth until they let out a contented groan, then think again:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/08/mos-def-force-fed-guantanamo-bay-video

ps if you haven't noticed, this is being done in your name. you should ******* care.

Sui - Member
Ernie, not everything written millennia ago is fit for purpose.

Boyle is on the "Fashionable to hate" list, and he's using that notoriety to good effect. Again if you go past the headline jokes his stuff is well thought out, and he would probably outwit a lot of his haters round these parts.

It reminds me of an interview with Price Charles, he remembered some advice he was given while younger - somthing along the lines of: Make the most of bein the Price of Wales, you can hold opinions and people have to listen to you, you can be a pain in the arse, as soon as you become King you have no opinions.

FWIW the situation of the detainees over there is a shambles with too much bad PR for anyone to come out of it well (hence Obama left it to the second term). The worst of it is that it looks and sounds too much like the evil dictators that we went round the world to overthrow because they did things like lock their citizens up without trials etc.

now back in the 70's/80's the H-block hunger strikes where they smeared poo over every square inch of the cells, that's a serious hunger strike.....

I think he's got a diet book to flog.

It reminds me of an interview with Price Charles, he remembered some advice he was given while younger - somthing along the lines of: Make the most of bein the Price of Wales, you can hold opinions and people have to listen to you, you can be a pain in the arse, as soon as you become King you have no opinions.

Along with, make sure you keep your mouth wide open when your servant is brushing your teeth for you.

I'm so glad he has used that platform for such valuable causes...

not everything written millennia ago is fit for purpose.