The 70,000 fighters claim was an unecessary sideshow. Irrelevant to the outcome of the vote IMO and as such unnecessary.
You're very benevolent in your views on the governments motives on such matter, aren't you? As with the whole WMD nonsense, its a wilful premeditated campaign of misinformation to create a false narrative, which is then used as a justification for something you'd otherwise, rightfully have no public support for.
The fact that we've all seen it all before (hello there you sexy sexy sexed up dossier, you), and (barring yourself, obviously) can see it for the frankly laughable load of old cobblers it patently is, hasn't stopped them trying it again. I'm sure given the 'come off it! How stupid do you think we are' reaction from everyone (barring yourself, obviously), I doubt we'll here much more on the phantom 70,000 strong army
The attack on Paris was planned, funded and the terrorists trained and travelled from Syria hidden amongst refugees.
No it wasn't. You're never one to let any facts get in the way of your pre-recorded conclusions, are you?
It was, as with the London 7/7 bombings etc etc etc home grown jihadists. The latest link is to Birmingham. Last time I looked that wasn't in Syria. Have I missed something here?
So taking the argument for bombing Syria to its logical conclusion, we should presently be targeting Brussels, Bradford, Leeds and Paris, as they are presently home to extremist cells which they are exporting to other countries
Thats how it works, right? This whole justification for bombing lark?
even though Lucy Allan doctored her own email and added 'unless you die' to the end of it because she was gutted at being left out, like a schoolgirl giving herself a lovebite with the hoover attachment.
It's finally made the BBC:
Her response is totally believable... no really...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35027252
@jambalaya you're wasted here mate, I'd go ride your bike, write those reviews we all enjoy and leave this lot to it. It's not like the STW chat forum echo chamber is going to change how people see things.
Utterly laughable.
As an aside, don't we have a Rusty Shackleford on STW? 😯
@jambalaya you're wasted here mate, I'd go ride your bike, write those reviews we all enjoy and leave this lot to it. It's not like the STW chat forum echo chamber is going to change how people see things.
At least Jamba is a constant source of entertainment unlike your interjections (how many now?) to tell us how much you don't care or none of us matters. Someone suffering an attention deficit today?
It doesnt make the desicion wrong though
For a lot of people it does make the decision wrong because the 70,000 nonsense betrays the fact that bombing Syria was not part of a carefully thought out plan.
And we know the problem with not thought out plans, don't we?.....Iraq? Libya?
Someone suffering an attention deficit today?
Most days.
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Back again? Surprised you care enough.
Of course I care, these are important and difficult decisions that will affect many people's lives very significantly.
Oh so you do care now. My apologies if I got the impression you didn't. I have no idea how that happened.
Everyone here cares dd.
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Oh so you do care now. My apologies if I got the impression you didn't. I have no idea how that happened
@matt anyone who supports military action is a right wing warmonger devoid of any moral fiber, get with the programme.
and everyone who doesn't a terrorist sympathiser.
...anyone who supports military action is a right wing warmonger devoid of any moral fiber...
if the cap fits jamba.
Oh look, we were lied to - again, what a surprise:
None of the seven terror plots foiled in the UK over the past year was directed from Syria, senior MPs have been told by security and intelligence sources.Despite David Cameron’s claim that the plots were ‘linked to’ or ‘inspired by’ ISIL, MPs have ascertained there is no evidence that any of them were actually coordinated by the Islamists’ command and control centre in Raqqa.
The admission is a serious challenge to the case for RAF bombing in Syria as it counters the hints from some Tory – and Labour - MPs that ISIL in Syria had to be targeted with airstrikes because it poses a ‘direct’ threat to the UK.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/07/none-of-the-seven-foiled-_n_8741598.html
The two immediate victims of terrorism - the truth and liberty.
Tough to trust OUR representatives at the best of times, but particularly at times like this
Shocking - well perhaps not... 🙁
I can't believe that Lucy Allan! That is surely a sackable offence?
I can't believe that Lucy Allan! That is surely a sackable offence?
I dunno about sackable but it's a bloody disgrace and shouldn't go unsanctioned, imho.
[i]I dunno about sackable but it's a bloody disgrace and shouldn't go unsanctioned, imho. [/i]
Wasting police time maybe?
Absolutely agree outofbreath. Not sackable but when her constituents hear of it it will be (rightly) damaging.
Her 'explanation' is just unbelievable!
Her 'explanation' is just unbelievable!
....and if you read the 'abuse' in the context of the whole mail it's not really abusive at all - the tone of the mail in its entirety is reasonable and nonthreatening.
Tough to trust OUR representatives at the best of times, but particularly at times like this
Yip.
Wow, I agree with THM on something.
Tough to trust OUR representatives at the best of times, but particularly at times like this
I actually trust Corbyn.
Each to their own...
I certainly don't trust that little shite Hilary Benn.
Absolutely agree outofbreath. Not sackable but when her constituents hear of it it will be (rightly) damaging.
Nah, most wont know about it, others wont care and the few that do would have been voting for someone else.
Each to their own...
Well yes and as a committed Tory supporter when Cameron got caught lying you came out with the tried and tested "all politicians lie" line.
And it works very well - even wanmankylung accepted it.
I actually trust Corbyn.
Me too
Yawn
A man walks into an empty room.....
A man walks into an empty room.....
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Well if Bob isn't smart enough to kick the door or bang his head on it then he's beyond help. IGMC.
there's a joke about wood in there somewhere...
#ontheline call in with ViceNews journalist who has reported from inside Syria and Iraq was asked "are air strikes effective?" His answer was a clear yes. The Peshmerga/Kurds say they could not have held Kobani or liberated Sinjar without airstrikes and in fact they wanted more and a faster coalition approval process. Journalist also noted that IS could no longer move around freely in convoys.
Also as an aside he mentioned that the Turks seem more concerned with the Kurds and PKK than IS and Kurds believe the Turks are supporting/turning a blind eye towards IS
None of the seven terror plots foiled in the UK over the past year was directed from Syria, senior MPs have been told by security and intelligence sources.
Was the Paris one?
ontheline call in with ViceNews journalist who has reported from inside Syria and Iraq was asked "are air strikes effective?" His answer was a clear yes
Nice anecdote, stunningly impartial response there and a lovely appeal to authority.
Journalists eh what a great bunch of revered truth tellers they are.
5/10
Have you not been reading ANY news JY?
Was the Paris one?
No, they were all French or Belgian citizens
Also as an aside he mentioned that the Turks seem more concerned with the Kurds and PKK than IS and Kurds believe the Turks are supporting/turning a blind eye towards IS
As I said, they (IS) appear to be pawns in the real power struggle and a brief look at a map suggests theyre a very effective Turkish expeditionary force.
Nothing like bombing some brown people to get our collective mojo back.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14129765.Osborne__UK_has__got_its_mojo_back__with_air_strikes/
#strangest
Are we bombing them because they are brown?