Did I just hear Lewis telling Lando he would’ve been better on mediums? Awkward
edit: yes I did ?
For those last couple of laps in my head i had the rob warner commentary from that danny hart run going... STAY ON THE TRACK HAMMY!!
What a race that was! Edge of the seat stuff! So pleased for Lewis, he really deserved it, but McLaren strategy was awful! That was theirs for the taking for Lando. Superb driving all round though
Excellent race and really happy for Hamilton... He's got to be seriously worried about the Ferrari calls though!
Aye McLaren made a few blunders there mind. Not double stacking for starters and dropping Piasrti 5 spots down the order then asking Norris about tyre choice rather than (with all the data and boffins) telling him it’s a medium.
I was screaming at the commentators at the end to STFU until he crossed the line. Still a lap and a bit left and they’re cracking on like it’s all done and dusted! FFS lads.
Did I just hear Lewis telling Lando he would’ve been better on mediums? Awkward
edit: yes I did ?
Yep, even he knew lol
Nice to watch a race live for a change! Chuffed for Lewis, awesome sight flying the union flag from car.
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If this is true then Perez is stuffedhttps://twitter.com/FastestPitStop/status/1809870880090071243/blockquote >
Just noticed he was actually two laps down by the end. I know he got stuffed with strategy but that's not great lol
He was over a minute behind LeClerc, who had an absolute shocker.
I'm a big fan of both of Perez and Riciardo but sadly I think next year is time to see either Lawson or Tsunoda in the RB with the other one partnering Hadjar at VCARB.
Or Max to grow a pair and go up against Sainz with Lawson and Tsunoda at VCARB but that seems even less likely
Or Max to grow a pair and go up against Sainz with Lawson and Tsunoda at VCARB but that seems even less likely
I'm pretty sure Sainz has said he is not interested in Red Bull
Today Lewis reminded himself that he is a multiple world champion.
It was great to watch and now is 6 different drivers that have wone so for this year (we all thought it would be another Max walk over after Bahrain)
Lando/McLaren just need to make that final step to join Lewis & Max
Lando and McLaren fluffed it today. They gave Lando only two options, the soft to match Lewis (ahead) or the hard to match Max (behind). The medium was available, but crucially they didn’t offer it to him, nor did her correct them. Piastri’s side recognised the situation and offered him the medium to which he agreed, it was the best tyre. McLaren knew from earlier that their car was generating tyre temp better than Mercedes and that the soft would likely last fine for Mercedes, but possibly not for them. It was all there for them to see/use/say and they (Lando’s side) missed it. Lando was as low as Lewis was high.
They gave Lando only two options, the soft to match Lewis (ahead) or the hard to match Max (behind). The medium was available, but crucially they didn’t offer it to him, nor did her correct them.
I may be misremembering, but I thought they offered soft to cover Hamilton or medium to cover Verstappen…? They’d also told him earlier in the race that they had mediums and that Mercedes didn’t.
A lap or two later, when it was clear Max had better pace on the hards, it became evident it was a game of who (if anyone) could keep the softs in play for long enough. My armchair view is that that’s where Lando lost second: Hamilton managed his pace perfectly while Lando was full tilt gunning for the win—and it was largely him that put himself in that position by missing his pit line, which is largely what lost him the lead.
Clearly McLaren bungled the lap time estimates in not stacking Piastri, but other than that and perhaps giving Norris too much say on tyres, I don’t think the team dropped any major bollocks.
Still, nice to see another best-of-season weekend from Silverstone, and another Silverstone masterclass from Hamilton. Perfectly managed pace throughout. My overriding thought after qualifying was “you never bet against Hamilton at Silverstone”—especially when there’s rain on the radar. Should have put a few quid on it ?
They gave Lando only two options, the soft to match Lewis (ahead) or the hard to match Max (behind).
Radio message was “soft to cover Hamilton, medium to cover Max” wasn’t it?
The real problem (and I believe Stella has now said this in an interview) they shouldn’t have given him the choice. The decision should’ve come from the pit wall
Wonderful experience to be there for the weekend with my boys. Lifelong memories. Homeward bound in the morning ??
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Wonderful experience to be there for the weekend with my boys. Lifelong memories. Homeward bound in the morning ??
Ah man, I'm so jealous! What a great weekend to have been there.
Remind me what tickets you had?
Forgot to mention, brilliant drive by the Williams boys. P9 for Albon, P11 for Sargeant.
I've been harsh on Logan this year but credit where it's due, that was a great job this weekend.
I can only echo the above – so pleased for Lewis Hamilton and the BBC article / interview really illustrates what it meant to him and sheds light on his mental state after the 2021 Abu Dhabi farce.
‘Remind me what tickets you had?’
Not long home after our 6hr drive back to Glasgow..
We bought 2 day weekend tickets for the Garage Enclosure, which is I think about the cheapest, it’s inner track, just after Beckets and Chapel. The atmosphere was amazing, the food was decent, Gaucho, and the bar and stage entertainment was great.
It was a lot of money for 4 days, but a lifelong memory. Boys, who are 18 and 21 seem to agree, so a win !
There are a few on here who don’t like Max but he has a lot to catch up with Schumacher
Well, yeah, of course. Schumacher remains the GOAT when it comes to dirty tactics. Never liked him. Always thought Verstappen was more like Senna*: dancing around the fine line of what’s acceptably robust and then sticking with it. (Though the difference in era meant that was manifested in different ways: when Senna came into F1, drivers were still being killed with some frequency; Max has had the luxury of hugely safer cars and circuits.)
* ignoring Suzuka ‘90 for now
(So cheesey but I'm in. Frankly, I don't care if it's shit! :yahoo: )
Frankly, I don’t care if it’s shit!
Phew!
(Adopts usual cynical view of American take on something they know little about)
I’d expected it to be naff and cheesy, I just find that the “half created, half reality” approach is jarring—my brain simply won’t buy into it, it’s a form of uncanny valley.
Read this
https://sportingintelligence832.substack.com/p/the-pope-lewis-hamilton-and-my-mum
(warning: dust)
^^^^ Yeah, multi21 - that's a good read! Thanks for posting :good:
Bez
There are a few on here who don’t like Max but he has a lot to catch up with Schumacher
Well, yeah, of course. Schumacher remains the GOAT when it comes to dirty tactics. Never liked him. Always thought Verstappen was more like Senna*: dancing around the fine line of what’s acceptably robust and then sticking with it. (Though the difference in era meant that was manifested in different ways: when Senna came into F1, drivers were still being killed with some frequency; Max has had the luxury of hugely safer cars and circuits.)
I don't know whether I've changed as I've got older. I was a big fan of both Senna AND Schumacher but simply cannot accept the skullduggery employed by MV. I don't know if it's his father, that he abuses the shit that is DRS, that he was that fast from such a young age and I'm jealous or just that I can't stand his smug face.
I was a fan of Schumacher when he first started out - he was a brilliant driver. 1994 was problematic, he outdrove Hill but Tom Walkinshaw and Flavio Briatore were pretty unscrupulous and there were some major questions about the legality of the Benneton. The crash with Hill was obviously pretty suspicious, but one of those things that it was impossible to prove definitively was deliberate. The later crash with Villeneuve was obviously deliberate. Thing with Schumacher is that he was a fantastic driver and apparently a pretty decent guy in real life, but he was just so utterly determined to win that he just pushed things too far.
MV is a difficulty person to like, he just comes across as petulant. He is clearly a fantastically talented driver and his success is deserved, but I think he's like Senna in that he just pushed things a bit too far sometimes and the stewards have tended to let him get away with it because everyone prefers things to be decided on the track rather than afterwards by penalties. That's understandable, but the whining from Red Bull after the crash with Hamilton in 2021 was a bad look - Max likes to play rough but whines when others do the same.
MV is a difficulty person to like,
Having dealt with a lot of dutch people through work there is definitely a common type of personality running through a lot of them. I'd say MV has just got his dutch wound up to 11. Or maybe 12.
I remember talking to one mother in particular about her son - "The problem is you are so British. You are so nice to him. Just call him a **** to his face- he happily says the same about you! He won't mind it - he expects it - we're Dutch!". Same lady owns half of Knoydart. Locals loath her; but I expect it's a complete cultural mismatch.
but the whining from Red Bull after the crash with Hamilton in 2021 was a bad look
The tell with Horner when he thinks that Max is to blame is when he calls it "a racing incident". Like others have said Max will push other drivers hoping that their natural inclination is to back off and not crash. I otherwise think he's a bit of a prick, but at least Ocon had the balls to confront him about it at Brazil in 2018
If a few more had done that, and the stewards been more robust over the years, we'd not be here.
Read this
https://sportingintelligence832.substack.com/p/the-pope-lewis-hamilton-and-my-mum
(warning: dust)
F***ing hell… that feels a little close to home. Two years ago my mum, also quite a Lewis fan, was dying. The thought crossed my mind then: maybe I should just give Mercedes a call and see if I can blag her a visit to Brackley (the British GP had been and gone) to see if she might get to at least say hello. And do you know what? I didn’t do it. I’m not even sure why now. Maybe it was because her illness was taking hold like a runaway train and I wasn’t sure whether it was going to be manageable. Maybe I thought that even if it somehow came off then it felt a bit rich to ask Lewis to exchange pleasantries with a random and clearly dying lady. I don’t really recall. That brief idea came and went during some great mental turmoil, of course. But I didn’t do it. So now I guess maybe my reasoning was off.
Dust? Jesus… Yeah. Sorry mum.
I was a fan of Schumacher when he first started out – he was a brilliant driver.
Well, that is true. I watched Spa 1991 wide-eyed and hopeful. I forget the significant points of decline between there and the end of 1996, by which time it had all obviously soured somewhat. To be honest I seem to recall the immediate switch to Benetton smelt fishy for some reason, but I may well be misremembering.
Edit: ah, of course: Bernie up to his usual antics https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/how-schumacher-was-snatched-from-jordan-after-his-f1-debut/
Probably been asked before, but anyone else watched the "Brawn: the impossible formula"?
I've just got a "free" Disney account and found it there...apart from Keanu being pointlessly in it, it's interesting to see the inside story.
Oh wow , what a story that is ^^. Good on Mercedes..
I'm intrigued as to what storyline they're going to come up with for this film.
Obviously needs to be the hero winning against huge odds, like the 2009 season or Canada 2011, and the championship obviously has to be decided right at the end like 2008 or 2021.
The trouble is that if they make it as ridiculous as any of these no one is going to believe it?
Fact is definitely better than fiction!
[i]I’m intrigued as to what storyline they’re going to come up with for this film.[/i]
He is a hot shoe in all the lower formula and gets gifted a drive in F1 to replace a sick driver.
He signs for a low end team the following year but doesn't really shine.
Kicks between the back end teams with the occasional 'deal gone bad' to add excitement.
Can't get any more drives after a few years and goes off to do commentating.
Possibly not the most thrilling plot but ...
I’m intrigued as to what storyline they’re going to come up with for this film.
Aged rough and ready ex-racer (perhaps injured and retired) is tempted back into F1 by a couple of Dudes looking to be the next brat pack, he gets some-one to design a cunning car that somehow outwits the top designers in a way that no-one's thought of. Unknown to our hero, The Dudes bring in angry self interested hot shot driver, who doesn't like our hero but he's constantly being beaten by the old timer through guile and cunning. They can't pretend to win a race (or maybe they can, who knows?) but the internal team struggle between the drivers will drive the plot.
Make the designer the love interest, and Robert is your Father's brother; a real cheese fest.
I’m intrigued as to what storyline they’re going to come up with for this film.
I think I read that Brad Pitt is an ex-champ who makes a comeback as a teammate to a hotshot rookie in a struggling backmarker team. So, basically, Alain Prost makes a comeback at Minardi with rookie Fernando Alonso as his teammate and they have to learn to work together for the team to survive. Don't quote me on that, I read something years ago, that's my hazy memory.
A short, spiteful man in glasses who has everyone in his pocket and continually rigs the system in his favour feels wronged by a team who are forced to avoid his wrath by finding a prodigiously talented competitor, played by Pitt, who turns out to be uncontrollable and simply will not do what he’s told. The denouement of the film comes when our protagonist finally wins at Monaco and the resulting backfire of rigged betting causes the ringleader to retire angrily to his yacht where he is shot at point blank range by the hero’s entourage of mechanics and his body is dumped in the harbour. A dog swallows a squeaky toy.
Basically, Snatch on wheels (which is coincidentally your mum’s bumper sticker).
Just watched this - they make me smile every time :
Is it worth putting a bet on Hamilton ditching Ferrari and signing for Mercedes again?
It would make an interesting plot twist if anyone was to make a movie...
I was a fan of Schumacher when he first started out – he was a brilliant driver. 1994 was problematic, he outdrove Hill but Tom Walkinshaw and Flavio Briatore were pretty unscrupulous and there were some major questions about the legality of the Benneton. The crash with Hill was obviously pretty suspicious, but one of those things that it was impossible to prove definitively was deliberate.
Everyone raved about quick the Sauber-Mercedes youth team were, and you hoped they'd live up to it, but Schumacher just smashed it out of the park. You wanted to see the Next Big Thing in the mix, and he totally surpassed expectations at Spa, it was unreal - the switch to Benetton was unexpected but he was always going to be worth a better car and no-one's going to get a driver out of a Jordan contract without benefitting EJ.
Not to tarnish his legacy but it's beyond contestation that the B194 had the capability to illegally use launch control, and by virtue of the fact he wilfully drove into Hill, there's no doubt Adelaide 94 was a deliberate take-out. Whether it was illegal at the time or not I guess is a different question.
Ralf Schumacher has come out as gay, only the third F1 driver to do so. Barely a mention of this in the media. Is this because:
A) it's not remarkable or newsworthy for high profile sports people to do this nowadays
Or
B) no one cares what Ralf Schumacher says nowadays?
