[Closed] For those of you with automatic watches ...

Unfortunate isn't it?

yup 🙂

My Seiko slows down by 1 min every two days ... 😥

I am getting a Casio digital soon ...

I've got a prohunter explorer on order, let the lynching begin 🙂

Who are you calling a cyclist? I'll have you know some of my best friends are cycles.

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Bought one of these:
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keeps pretty good time, not checked it accurately but it seems to be around five seconds gain a month.
Not bad for fifty quid.
A bit better than my twenty-odd year old TAG Series 1000 Professional black finish, £250 new.

My watch is works automatically it cost twelve pounds ninety-nine from Decathlon and it is accurate to just 2 or 3 seconds or less per month. 😀

My watch is works automatically it cost twelve pounds ninety-nine from Decathlon and it is accurate to just 2 or 3 seconds or less per month. 😀

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My watch is set to (or checked) to the seconed every day!!

But I am a clock engineer!! It's a must! Also I use a £5 casio. It keep perfect time and had never adjusted it.

It's is key that we set our clock correctly to the second

It's is key that we set our clock correctly to the second

Well it's not [i]really[/i], but it is useful to have an accurate timepiece. It always amuses me that a cheapo £5 watch keeps better time than ones costing thousands and thousands of pounds. Proving that spensive watches are nowt more than jewellery and vanity objects.

No seriously, they really aren't, no matter how many times you tell yourself it's an 'investment'.

And you know I'm right too, don't you?

In my opinion a nice watch is the only acceptable piece of jewellery a man can wear

MF I'm sure your heirs would appreciate a fine watch as an heirloom. My Grandfather's Breitling, which he left me, went missing after a house move 15 years ago and I would quite happily pay double its market value to have it back 😥

How many times would you have to shake an automatic to "wind" it? Mine stops if I don't wear it all weekend

Elfin, it's one of the things the company prides it's self on. When we refurbish, service, install or build a clock we always set it to the correct time to the second (unless the custom asks us not to)

I'm currently installing a clock and it's my 1st project on my own! Im very proud to be able to walk away and look back and say "I built that clock"

How many times would you have to shake an automatic to "wind" it? Mine stops if I don't wear it all weekend

signet ring

No seriously, they really aren't, no matter how many times you tell yourself it's an 'investment'.

And you know I'm right too, don't you?

MF I'm sure your heirs would appreciate a fine watch as an heirloom.

For ME, I want to do it simply because there has never really been anything worthy of being passed down through our family in the past. At the moment we are just discussing what to do with mum's possessions and all I would like is a 30+ year old Kenwood Chef (if we can find it). 😐

Ohh, and a framed picture of some elephants in the Mara that I took when on honeymoon 5 years ago and they both really liked the picture so I had an enlargement made and framed up for them.

How many times would you have to shake an automatic to "wind" it? Mine stops if I don't wear it all weekend

Make sure you're wearing it when you're "relaxing in a gentleman's way" and you'll be fine.

Mine won't be bought as an investment - as I have said.

MF I'm sure your heirs would appreciate a fine watch as an heirloom.

Then:

Thankfully someone has read what I have said

So, an 'investment' then. You're buying some material thing with 'value' as an 'heirloom'. Don't try to dress it up for something it's not. 😉

In my opinion a nice watch is the only acceptable piece of jewellery a man can wear

What absolute bunkum.

Absolutely correct RJ, apart from a wedding or signet ring, of course

Only if you're very narrow-minded and conservative, maybe. Otherwise, wear what TF you like and don't worry about other's petty prejudices.

Make sure you're wearing it when you're "relaxing in a gentleman's way" and you'll be fine.

I tried that - it started gaining about an hour a day

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[i]An hour a day[/i]? I'm surprised you bother with a watch; those tiny numbers must be virtually impossible for you to see... 😉

My Seamaster AT has about a 40 hour reserve, I think, so if I go away for the weekend on Friday night, it stops about 2 hours before I get home on Sunday

What do you mean "it stops"? Dont you take it with you? Whats the point in a £1000 watch if you dont wear it?

my rolex gains around 8 seconds a day, just inside cosc standards, when i first purchased it 4yrs ago it was 1.5 seconds slow a day, i personally don't care and have yet to be late for anything as i'm always 5 minutes early for everything by the end of the month :D,

spent 3k on a new 'Z' SD, it's now worth 4.5K, you don't get that with a casio

Elfinsafety: No seriously, they really aren't, no matter how many times you tell yourself it's an 'investment'. And you know I'm right too, don't you?

Nice turdpost highlighting your ignorance. I've made lots of money over the years buying and selling watches. So yeah they can be an investment if you know what you're doing, and you get to wear some great timepieces.

I'm not ignorant, you are. For I too have sold watches. So ner. You were quite ignorant to that fact, weren't you? S'ok, apology accepted...

Beyond a simple functional object, they are jewellery. End of. I have nothing against that at all; I like nice watches. But the notion that a spensive watch costing thousands is somehow 'better' as a timepiece than a cheapo Casio or whatever is simply delusion.

You know I'm right, hence your angry, vitriolic outburst and personal attack. Proves me even more right. 🙂

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What do you mean "it stops"? Dont you take it with you? Whats the point in a £1000 watch if you dont wear it?

*-the Canadian way, involving going to a cottage, then boating, tubing, etc.

Errr, point of order Mr Chairman... being right is an absolute. You can't be righter or wronger now can you silly boy 🙂

I like fancy watches. I buy them cos I like fancy watches and CGAF if they are an investment/waste of money/worse than a casio etc. On that basis we'd all buy the crappest, cheapest car and shop in Aldi. There's more to life than lowest cost. Form over function, a bit like fancy mountain boiks no?

I don't get this 'amazing engineering' thing.

It costs 100 times as much as something that works better in every way. Doesn't seem that great to me. If someone made a computer that cost fifty grand and only ran your programs when it felt like it, it wouldn't sell.

I like fancy watches. I buy them cos I like fancy watches and CGAF if they are an investment/waste of money/worse than a casio etc.

At last, some honesty. Thank you.

See, what you've done, randomjeremy, is you've read something with prejudice, then reacted according to your prejudice, rather than considering what I was actually saying. Boblo has instead bin more sensible and rational and understood what I was getting at.

I have a nice Seiko for 'posh'; it din't cost a fortune but at the time I bought it, I was willing to spend a lot more, several times more in fact, but it was the Seiko which I liked the most of all the watches I looked at. Truth be told, the only watches I liked more were a *lot* more than my budget would allow. Like, several times more than my maximum.

I am under no illusion that my 'posh' watch is anything more than a bit of functional jewellery. Because it isn't.

People buy expensive watches for the same reason they buy expensive cars or clothes - they are enjoyable to own and they make them feel good. Sounds reasonable enough although some of the 'sperglords on here can't compute 🙂

@Elfinsafety - You said watches weren't an investment, yet I have made lots of money buying and selling watches, thus proving you wrong. Deal with it.

@Elfinsafety - You said watches weren't an investment

And where, pray tell, exactly, did I say that? Hmm?

Well? I'm waiting...

You posted it 2 hours ago[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/for-those-of-you-with-automatic-watches/page/2#post-2826171 ] here[/url]. Have you been taking your dried frog pills?

Read what I writed again.

Carefully.

Then tell me [i]exactly[/i] where I said 'watches aren't an investment'.

See, what you've done, is you've made the common mistake of reading what you want to, rather than what's actually written, and taking the comments out of context.

Then you've resorted to rudeness. 😐

elfin - No seriously, they really aren't, no matter how many times you tell yourself it's an 'investment'.

I'm not saying they're an investment or not; but isn't that statement above you saying they're not an investment..?

all I would like is a 30+ year old Kenwood Chef

😆 I've already agreed with my mum that I'll get her Kenwood Chef when she goes. It was a wedding present in the mid-70s and some of my most treasured memories are of making stuff with it. They certainly don't make them like that any more, the thing will probably outlast me too.

As for watches, sure - you can look at them as jewellery. No-one really needs a watch anyway - there are more then enough clocks around to get by without one. Cubic Zirconia isn't *that* different to diamond, after all. A bespoke suit isn't *that* different to an off-the-peg £100 job from M&S. An Inbred frame isn't *that* different from an IF.

I like the engineering of them, as I said. I love that I have something on my wrist that has all these fascinating cogs, springs, screws and jewelled pivots (and yes, I do open them up). That with nothing more than the energy of moving my arms and hands about in my everyday activities, it stores enough energy to tick away over half a million times a day yet manages to stay accurate to within a second in that time. I prefer the gentle second-hand sweep of a nice mechanical movement over the jarring tick-tick of a quartz. I have a kind of nostalgia for a time before I was born when owning (or being given) a wris****ch was a big deal and it would be worn for decades, a time before Swatch and Casio turned them into disposable plastic fashion accessories.

That's not to say you have to spend a fortune - neither of my autos cost more than £100 - and I'm sure a lot of people buy expensive swiss watches based on brand, marketing and to impress other idiots at the golf club. Doesn't mean you have to be one of those idiots to like wearing something nicer than a G-Shock though.

It costs 100 times as much as something that works better in every way. Doesn't seem that great to me. If someone made a computer that cost fifty grand and only ran your programs when it felt like it, it wouldn't sell.

Maybe not, but it doesn't stop things like the [url= http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/I033/10303328.aspx ]Difference Engine no.2[/url] being as fascinating to me as the millions of transistors in a modern CPU. It cost way more to build than 100 times what a pocket calculator does. But I'd still love to have one myself!

I'm not saying they're an investment or not; but isn't that statement above you saying they're not an investment..?

No, it's not, actually. :-

Ok, so I'll explain as people are obviously struggling...

Watches are jewellery, beyond their basic function. IE, spensive watches are spensive jewellery. A cheapo watch is bought because it tells the time. A spensive watch is bought because it tells the time [i]and[/i][i] is nicely made, looks pretty, etc, but will offer no functional advantage over a cheapo one which is probbly just as accurate (if not, as is often the case, more so). So, a watch [i]can[/i] be bought as an 'investment', sure, but those who claim 'oh, it's an investment, I'm not buying it cos it's jewellery, are quoting the great Greek philosopher Testicles. It's an attempt to say 'oh no, I'm not vain or ostentatious and I'm secure enough not to be any more aspirational'. Just flipping admit that you've bought it cos it helps you feel good- a 'vanity' item. There's nowt wrong with that in itself. We all like nice things, it's in our nature. Hence art and creativity and stuff.

It's only really an 'investment' if you don't wear it, keep it as pristine as possible so as not to diminish it's value.

You can buy stocks and shares as an 'investment'. You don't wear them on your wrist as a piece of jewellery though, do you?

Any clearer?

Oh, and to reiterate; I have absolutely nothing against wearing watches as jewellery. Enjoy it!

Ah but, it's not mutually exclusive is it? You can buy a vanity item in the safe knowledge over time, it'll keep or increase its value. One of mine has doubled in the 20 years I've had it. I didn't buy it for that, I fall itno the CGAS category and just like em (as above).

I could probably sell most of my watches for similar to what I paid for them, maybe even make a few quid on a couple, partly because I got good discounts when I bought most of them, but mainly because the price of Swiss watches has gone through the roof and continues to rise. Rolex seem to have twice yearly increases, Panerai went up across the board another 7% on the 1st August after a 7.5% rise in January... An Omega Seamaster auto that cost £1250 3 years back now goes for £2300. The only change is a slightly different escapement, but Swatch need Omega to fill a slightly different market segment so rather than change the product, they change the price. Same with Breitling, stick in a manufacture movement and they're £7k. Crazy money.

Unless you managed to pick up a cheap Double Red Sub or an early Daytona, I'm not sure they'd class as a particularly safe investment though. Yes, you can make money but I'd suggest it's often through luck rather than judgement and if that's your motive then there are much better places to put your cash.

having done nothing more than play golf with it on

never play golf with a mechanical (or any) watch on - there is a fair amount of shock and vibration generated, even with todays 'skills compensator' clubs.

You can buy stocks and shares as an 'investment'. You don't wear them on your wrist as a piece of jewellery though, do you?

Any clearer?

So let me get this right. Buy an expensive watch as jewellry not an investment. Don't wear it when you're "doing stuff" since it might break. Keep it for special. Oh, but if you don't wear it it will eventually stop, so don't forget to wear it, but don't wear it when doing stuff 'cos you might break it. Keep it for special. Oh, and they don't keep very good time. 😆

never play golf with a mechanical (or any) watch on - there is a fair amount of shock and vibration generated, even with todays 'skills compensator' clubs.

So not only is it inaccurate, but you can't wear it if you're being overly active?

Wow, bargain. I'm starting to understand why people buy Rolexes to keep in a drawer at home.

Woody - Member
No. Sounds to me like someone was pwned and is trying to justify his error.

Unbelievable! If I was Fred I'd leave the thread in disgust and say no more....

...that's what he usually does 😛

That Hublot I bought (and took back) was a pure vanity purchase, simple. It simply didn't feel right to me wear it, simple.

However for the last 10yrs I've been wearing a rather expensive watch that I won when sailing, we all got them, they're all engraved with the boat name/date of competition/position/yacht club.. to say I'm proud to wear it is an understatement, eveytime I look at it I'm reminded of the all the training/competition/environment/club/people, I can even remember the cigar smoke and popping of champagne corks, the rumbling French acceptance that we beat them on their own stretch of water, the sun, the rain, the waves, the rocks and most of all... those gorgeoue French Girls..(hahha, ooop's) this watch brings back some mighty fine memories that only me and a couple of mates can share..priceless.

I've already agreed with my mum that I'll get her Kenwood Chef when she goes. It was a wedding present in the mid-70s and some of my most treasured memories are of making stuff with it. They certainly don't make them like that any more, the thing will probably outlast me too.