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In other news it was reassuring to see Leeds beat Leicester to put a dent in their seemingly unstoppable march back to the Premier League.
MOT / ALAW
A win! A win binners! And with it your lot don't seem so far away from the business end of the table. It is still very early days really
Newcastle looking good. It does seem like a more competitive league this year.
Newcastle are solid - simply no way through for Arsenal, especially after the goal. Any thoughts on the goal? My instinct watching live was the ball went out and on balance a foul by Joelinton on Gabriel, Gordon was onside though. Arteta raging!
It was a cracking game! The multiple VAR check on the goal was bonkers! Both teams should have been down to ten men in the first half. Two straight reds for definite
And we got a win! Hardly the most convincing ot performances but it’s 3 points and Mrs Binners lost a bet for once
Glad to see Utd win today, means ETH will struggle on much to everyone's amusement.
Just seen the Arsenal Newcastle game on MOTD how both sides weren't down to 10 men I don't know and the VAR for the goal was a joke.
NUFC 3 points; nothing else counts.
Just watching MOTD and Doku looks like another terrifyingly good addition to the Citeh squad. Handy when you’re short of decent attacking players
I thought that Doku's four assists versus Bournemouth might be a new record for most in a Premier League game but it just matched the existing record and was the eighth time the feat had been performed - see others below.
Dennis Bergkamp – Arsenal vs. Leicester City (20 February 1999)
José Antonio Reyes – Arsenal vs. Middlesbrough (14 January 2006)
Cesc Fàbregas – Arsenal vs. Blackburn Rovers (4 October 2009)
Emmanuel Adebayor – Tottenham Hotspur vs. Newcastle United (11 February 2012)
Santi Cazorla – Arsenal vs. Wigan Athletic (14 May 2013)
Harry Kane – Tottenham Hotspur vs. Southampton (20 September 2020)
Paul Pogba – Manchester United vs. Leeds United (14 August 2021)
Jérémy Doku – Manchester City vs. Bournemouth (4 November 2023)
Interesting four of these players were playing for Arsenal when they did this.
Another interesting stat. City started Haaland and Alvarez, scored six, but neither of the strikers scored - not many will have predicted that.
Thomas Frank from Brentford for Man U.
NUFC v Arsenal was a real Blood and thunder game, which probably benefitted us, as arsenal don’t have the players for that fight IMO.
havertz is a straight red. Absolute leg breaker. Bruno was petulant, but you can’t do that so really both teams should have gone to 10.
the goal is one of those things. Ball looks in but no tech to prove that is daft. I think Gordon is behind the ball, so I think he’s onside. Foul, in real time looks ok, but in slo mo over and over agin looks worse.
the difference between the two managers post match is night and day. Eddie is very pragmatic about the awful foul. Arteta is totally unreasonable, I look forward to his ban.
Just seen the Arsenal Newcastle game on MOTD how both sides weren’t down to 10 men I don’t know and the VAR for the goal was a joke.
VAR did what it was meant to, either provide definitive proof against the decision, or go with the on-field decision.
On the basis VAR is meant to overturn clear and obvious errors, I think it did its job.
FWIW I thought the ball was in and it wasn't offside. The foul I'm not sure, I don't think there was much to it but the straight arms stopped the Arsenal player from jumping and competing for the ball
Thomas Frank from Brentford for Man U.
And be the next on the list in the graveyard of managerial careers that is Old Trafford?
Why would he go from a well-run club where he calls the shots and is getting great results, to the chaos of Man Yoo and being told by the marketing department which team you're going to be putting out, dependent on this months replica shirt sales in Singapore?
Cheer up Binners, your team is back, onwards and upwards for Ten Hag and Captain Bruno 😁
Gooner here......the ball was in, it probably was a foul, Gordon was onside. Havertz challenge was a stiff yellow but i wouldn't have been surprised had he been shown for a red. As for Bruno.....he got away with one on Jorginho and why he wasn't shown yellow for walloping a ball at an opponent is baffling......yet his actual booking looked harsh. There is obviously a deep seated animosity between the two sets of players but there is something about the way Eddie Howe teams do a lot of niggling and moaning which make them very hard to watch whoever they play. We so need a proper presence up front.
Arteta is totally unreasonable, I look forward to his ban.
I said to a mate last night after the goal went in that Arteta would completely lose his shit if it turned out to be the winner. I wasn't wrong. Is it just me or is he the most petulant self-entitled manager in PL history?
Eddie Howe teams do a lot of niggling and moaning which make them very hard to watch whoever they play.
Trust me it's great to watch if you're from Newcastle 🙂. They're aggressive for sure, and that's working very well for them, but I fail to see how that's a bad thing.
but I fail to see how that’s a bad thing
It's not a bad thing if you are Newcastle fan (at the end of the day, blinkers are well and truly on for you all right now). But as fans of watching football, it isn't so good.
Is it just me or is he the most petulant self-entitled manager in PL history?
Hi...
But as fans of watching football, it isn’t so good.
Well I have to disagree. There's nothing better than a full-blooded aggressive match where the players are going at each other hammers and tongs. I remember the Man U match when we beat them 4-3 and Keane got sent off after Shearer wound him up so much his temper snapped. One of the most entertaining things I've ever seen on a football pitch. Football is an angry game, and I hope it stays that way.
but there is something about the way Eddie Howe teams do a lot of niggling and moaning which make them very hard to watch whoever they play
There was only one lot doing the niggling and moaning last night. Right the way through to Arteta crying to the cameras.
The ref was a joke, Havertz could of broken Longstaffs leg, only gets a yellow, then he books 3 Newcastle players.
The goal was a goal. It was kept in, Joelinton doesn't commit a foul and Gordon was onside.
Well I have to disagree. There’s nothing better than a full-blooded aggressive match where the players are going at each other hammers and tongs. I remember the Man U match when we beat them 4-3 and Keane got sent off after Shearer wound him up so much his temper snapped. One of the most entertaining things I’ve ever seen on a football pitch. Football is an angry game, and I hope it stays that way.
That says more about you than anything else.
That says more about you than anything else.
Well I remember being in the stadium that day against Man U and I can assure you 50,000 others completely agreed with me. Take the aggression out of football and no one would watch it.
And why the personal dig BTW? It's really not necessary. Quite pathetic in fact. 😕
Nonsense
You seriously want to see football matches where everyone is nice and polite with no passion or aggression? I think you'll find yourself in the minority.
I don’t often find myself in agreement with Daz but I’m with him 100% on this.
There was nothing better than when Keane and Viera were taking lumps out of each other in midfield, Keown was monstering Van Nistelroy, Scholes was being Scholes and it felt like a sending off was only seconds away. Handbags all over the pitch with people players all up in each other’s faces. Refs would virtually give up and just let them get on with it as everyone was giving as good as they got. It was ace! 😃
One of the best matches I’ve ever watched was the infamous ‘Battle of the Bridge’ with Chelsea and Spurs. The ref had completely lost control in the first 5 minutes and after that it was basically a 90 minute brawl. Unbelievably there were no red cards. There should have been about 15! It was absolutely bloody brilliant!
Aggression and passion are essential components of the game, a little bit of professional gamesmanship has always been there, but this Newcastle side seem to have sly digs from back to front from first whistle to last and yet find themselves mortally offended at the slightest perceived offence by the opposition. The fact that the ref booked three Toon players for dissent after the Havertz lunge was refreshing. I actually think the issue here is Eddie Howe as his Bournemouth team used to try it on too, it was pathetic.
Mmmmm, I’d like it somewhere in the middle. It’s all a bit matey now, with hugs and shirt swapping after the game but you don’t want to see players trying to hurt each other.
Newcastle are good at the dark arts though, which belies Eddie Howe’s image - remember the time wasting last season!
@DazH - I was in the Stretford end for the reverse fixture at Old Trafford which finished with us winning 5-3 after us IIRC going behind 3 times. It was mental! I’ve never seen OT more venomous with Shearer just being relentlessly abused for 90 minutes.
One of the best matches I’ve ever been to. I took my fanatical Toon-supporting Geordie mate who was down from Newcastle for the weekend. He had to sit on his hands and STFU for the entire duration of the game 😂
I actually think the issue here is Eddie Howe as his Bournemouth team used to try it on too
Or is it more that Howe is extremely good at fostering a team spirit and ethic which results in the players defending each other to the last man? At Newcastle he's not only done that but also managed to unite the crowd with the players too. Howe understands what Newcastle supporters expect more than any other manager I've known, including Keegan and Robson. I mean, where else would you see players and the crowd celebrating a successful tackle as much as a goal?
Having said all that Bruno needs to wind it in a bit as he's gonna be a marked man and get himself sent off.
You seriously want to see football matches where everyone is nice and polite with no passion or aggression? I think you’ll find yourself in the minority.
Passion, 100%, absolutely. Aggression, no thanks.
I was in the Stretford end for the reverse fixture at Old Trafford which finished with us winning 5-3 after us IIRC going behind 3 times. It was mental! I’ve never seen OT more venomous with Shearer just being relentlessly abused for 90 minutes.
I was at the Leeds v Liverpool game when Leeds won 4-3 in 2000 – four shots on target, four goals. Shit-loads of passion shown but no aggression that I remember.
The fact that the ref booked three Toon players for dissent after the Havertz lunge was refreshing.
Havertz and Bruno were very lucky to stay on the pitch, they all know the rules on harassing the ref tho so I wasn't surprised they were booked, but why were none of the Arsenal players, who also chased and surrounded the ref after the VAR decision, not booked for dissent?
Arteta also said something along the lines of 'mistakes do happen and we should all try to support the ref/VAR as much as we can' after Luis Diaz had the goal disallowed against Spurs recently
but why were none of the Arsenal players, who also chased and surrounded the ref after the VAR decision, not booked for dissent?
Watching a recording now and honestly Arsenal give as good as they get on the niggling and moaning to the referee. All sides do it so I have no idea why the toon are being singled out.
Passion, 100%, absolutely. Aggression, no thanks.
Football is a contact sport. Aggression is absolutely part of it.
Passion, 100%, absolutely. Aggression, no thanks.
Have you ever played football? It’s very much a survival of the fittest/strongest sport. I stopped playing Saturday morning 11-a-side because I knew I was going to get seriously injured and simply didn’t have the aggression/competitiveness to cope with the physicality of it. I can barely imagine what it must be like at elite level.
Definitely agree contact sport, aggression and gamesmanship are skulls of the game.... dark arts really. Klopp and his complaining is gamesmanship to influence refs, its all part of the game. Most Successful teams have used a bit of aggression to reduce the impact of a skilful player....dave mackay, Billy bremnar, Sergio ramos. The entire Chelsea team in the 'battle of Stamford Bridge 2nd half' . I think it's fine so long as refs are good and when the line is crossed it gets punished. Clattenburg is on record saying he stepped back and let the players kick lumps out each other..... that was wrong, and unfortunately very few refs are good enough and Newcastle will gain an unfair advantage. It happens far too much. Look at ramos on salah, CL final ffs.
Have you ever played football?
Yes. And?
Whatevs 🤷♂️
Too many arguments going on elsewhere to have one here. You don’t like the way Howe’s team plays, fine, but don’t pretend any other team is any different. If Newcastle are better at it than the likes of Arsenal then that’s all good from where I’m standing.
A great display by Forest there. They had the measure of Villa right from the off, which is no easy task this season. A really solid defensive performance and looking sharp going forward
Watching a recording now and honestly Arsenal give as good as they get on the niggling and moaning to the referee. All sides do it so I have no idea why the toon are being singled out.
Hate to say it but I agree - to have a pop at Newcastle players given what Arsenal are like seems a bit selective.
I had money on Luton at 14/1 😡
Is the problem the Scousers/Fergie time, or your general failure to pick the winning bet? Did MrsBinners have it as a draw, she's usually more accurate.
You already know the answer to both those questions
Just caught up on this thread after the weekends events. I thought Arsenal fans were precious flowers til I read some of these comments. Saturdays game wasn't a 9 goal thriller with intricate interplay but it was bloody enjoyable. Newcastle won because they restricted Arsenal to 1 tame shot on target all night.
Arteta is just doing a Fergie and seems to have successfully distracted most people from the fact his chosen keeper had another error of judgement which led to a goal and his team are a little shot shy. However, for the club to double down on PGMOL isn's a good luck.
It reminds me of what Sir Bobby Robson said after Wenger had a similar moan on probably the last time we beat them:
'Some people around here need to learn how to lose'.
I'm an Arsenal fan, but a very pragmatic one. The nonsense around Bruno/Havertz is just that, nonsense. We didn't create anywhere near enough. I think we have a better team, slightly, than last year, but we aren't getting the results. I've been slagged off by other Arsenal fans for suggesting we will struggle to finish top 4, but I honestly think that's where we are at. Last season we had the wind in our sails but stumbled at the end. Look how many results we just about nicked last year. It's not happening this year.
Had the pleasure of watching Arteta's presser again. I really don't know how he takes himself seriously. I know Mourinho was prone to prima-donna whining but this is on another level. If he was trying to distract from his team's shortcomings then fair play to him, but he's really going beyond the call of duty. I suppose at least he didn't do a Klopp and demand a replay. 😀
Also Joelinton was immense in that game. I know Bruno gets all the attention at Newcastle (undeservedly so IMO) but JL is just as important when he's in this form. Good to have him back at his best in time for the Dortmund return match as he was a bit rusty in the last one.