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I take it that its down by the head with volvos' round your way mikeconnor?
The Volvos seem to be giving way to Espace type people carriers. Still quite a few 90s volvos around though, those things are seemingly indestructible.
I'd always wondereed why orthodox Jewish people seemed to favour Volvos, in fact it was a proper stereotype when I was growing up.
http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/112_i_m_a_gentile_living.htm
BMWs and Mercedes are notable by their absense. really makes you think about things, if you stop and ponder it.
Oh and for anyone concerned about my 'anti-Semitism'; my girlfriend is Jewish, as are many of my friends (some of my best friends are black/gay/Jewish).
Adn they are some of the most vociferous critics of the driving habits of 'frummers'. One jewish freind has a massive dent on the side of his car following an accident with a member of the orthodox community. Insurance premiums are very high in that area, if you park on the street.
Adn they are some of the most vociferous critics of the driving habits of 'frummers'. One jewish freind has a massive dent on the side of his car following an accident with a member of the orthodox community.
So you've picked up their sectarian prejudices ?
Here's a few things to ponder.
We have all been taught to follow one set of rules - The Highway Code. Courtesy often causes problems. The driver waiting to pull out was no doubt thinking that their manoeuvre is going to take place after you pass to their right. They have no intentions of pulling out until this takes place and its clear to go.
When people get waved out of junctions,anxiousness kicks in and their brains have to work a little overtime to deal with what's ahead. It ends up making the manoeuvre harder as the courteous driver will be sitting and blocking the view of what's to their left (not in your case on a scooter*) so they now have a more dangerous manoeuvre at hand due to your courtesy. They want to pull out quickly so can then make your own manoeuvre but it can often lead to people making the wrong decisions and causing accidents.
Mr Jag may well be a very good driver but approaching from behind he too may have got confused with how both of you were going about your manoeuvres as described in the highway code and thought that the other car driver is LAST to get priority at this junction.. YOU weren't moving... and to make everything actually happen, his split second reaction may have been to go around you.
He might reflect on it and realise what he had done,and when you describe the story of him repeatedly saying 'you were stopped',this probably led to his error as his mind was thinking that drivers on the main road need to pull in first to let the driver filtering out on their way.
It's your courtesy that has led to confusion. Its a shame,Peter.. but this is what happens when the next driver behind isn't taking it as easy as he should to think about it all and just assumes that he needed to get into that road to enable the car to move out.
Again,maybe he IS an arse and was proving a point. That your decision to let the other car out ends up causing other problems.
I like the Irish rural folks' attitude to cars, they don't worry about cosmetics like bumps and scratches, all part of the character, and when they go no more, they just get another.
I know people that are enraged by a scratch and rush to litigation for re-spays costing many hundreds at the drop of a hat.
The Volvo thing was told me by an elderly jew , who was not very orthodox 😉
So you've picked up their sectarian prejudices ?
Hardly. It's a common gripe round here. Another friend lives in Upton Park, and round there, it's young Asian men who seem to be the worst drivers. Point is, it's not 'racist' to point this out, especially not when facts support such claims.
How do they get their driving licenses ? .........these Orthodox Jews and Asians from Upton Park.
Point is, it's not 'racist' to point this out, especially not when facts support such claims.
Is there an opening in the EDL or the BNP for a PR man
IIRC they have lots of facts about races and given how well you did promoting CM it would seem a match made in heaven
How do they get their driving licenses ? .........these Orthodox Jews and Asians from Upton Park.
took a driving test like everyone else?
Bad driving isn't restricted to orthodox Jews and Asians you know.
Is there an opening in the EDL or the BNP for a PR man
IIRC they have lots of facts about races and given how well you did promoting CM it would seem a match made in heaven
Can you really not do any better than that? Pathetic.
Sorry I forgot you did not get/do sarcasm.
However it was a serious point they do indeed claim all there views about races are fact based just like you.
Like you [ in this instance] it is a negative view of races and like them it is entirely fact based and not racist.
took a driving test like everyone else?
So they all past alright, despite being bad drivers ? You can understand my curiosity, right ?
BTW, how come I don't recall ever being asked my ethnicity or religious views when I've applied for car insurance ?
If facts support the claim that certain religious or ethnic groups are particularly bad drivers, as you assert, and it's not racist, then surely these groups get charged more for their car insurance - no ?
so, because I dared voicing my honest opinion about the driving habits of members of a particular group, opinions based on experience, observation and knowledge, and dared to mention that I instinctively exercise more caution when encountering drivers who appear to be from that group, that I'm somehow akin to members of the BNP and EDL?
You need to get a grip mate. and maybe step away from your keyboard once in a while, and actually take a look at what happens in real life.
I take it you live in Stamford Hill and have extensive experience of the driving habits of locals then? Looking forward to you proving just how wrong I am.
BTW, how come I don't recall ever being asked my ethnicity or religious views when I've applied for car insurance ?If facts support the claim that certain religious or ethnic groups are particularly bad drivers, as you assert, and it's not racist, then surely these groups get charged more for their car insurance - no ?
Insurance in that area is high partly because of the very high incidence of damage toparked cars. Having witnessed several bumps and near-misses, i can understand why. In every incident i've seen, the driver of the vehicle which caused the collision was an orthodox Jew. That isn't of course to say that the only bad drivers in that area are from that community, by God there are loads from other groups, but that I have seen enough to make me wary of drivers from that particular community, in that particular area.
all you racists will be ok driving round Stamford Hill tomorrow as them Jews don't drive on Shabbat.
Now would be a good time for that photo of a spade Mr Junkyard.
all you racists will be ok driving round Stamford Hill tomorrow as them Jews don't drive on Shabbat.
It certainly feels a good bit safer on Shabbos. Miffs me that I can't get rugelach, schmaltz herring, lox or Viennas on a Saturday though.
Mike = Fred
Am I going to get an answer concerning whether people from certain ethnic or religious groups pay more for their car insurance mikeconnor ? .... since "the facts" apparently "support such claims".
I'm very cautious around 'old' folk who seem to be otherwise pre-occupied, boy racers who seem very aggressive(in tin cans), any road user really unless/until i've made 'contact'.....
Never thought about ethnicity in that sense, but i can imagine if a lot of poor driving/inconsiderate use was predominately seen to be made by a certain group you would almost by de-fault attach that tag to members of said group as a generalism, not a specific.
At last, someone who can think clearly, and not get all wound up over things they imagine have been said! thanks rudebwoy!
Am I going to get an answer concerning whether people from certain ethnic or religious groups pay more for their car insurance mikeconnor ?
Why not ask a car insurance company? I don't seel car insurance so I can't ansewer your question I'm afraid.
Insurance cannot discriminate on gender,or race.
Just as well PP didn't mention that the jag's passenger was a Jewish Asian from Upton Park.
Then it could have got really nasty.
Whilst I can understand PPs reasons for letting the learner out, it just causes confusion when the hard of thinking (jag man) encounter situations like that they can't cope.
some of my best friends are people 😉
Insurance cannot discriminate on gender,or race
So they would be alright if they charged Orthodox Jews more than non-Orthodox Jews then ?
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Why not ask a car insurance company?
'Cause I would feel very silly asking them "is it true what I heard on an internet forum that Orthodox Jews have more car accidents than non-Orthodox Jews".
"is it true what I heard on an internet forum that Orthodox Jews have more car accidents than non-Orthodox Jews".
Where did you read that then?
Where did you read that then?
Well I read it here :
mikeconnor - MemberMy girlfriend lives in an area with a large population of orthodox Jews. Many of them are terrible drivers;
And here :
mikeconnor - Member...my girlfriend is Jewish, as are many of my friends (some of my best friends are black/gay/Jewish).
Adn they are some of the most vociferous critics of the driving habits of 'frummers'. One jewish freind has a massive dent on the side of his car following an accident with a member of the orthodox community.
I'm surprised you didn't read it as you wrote it yourself.
Insurance cannot discriminate on gender,or race
but they can by postcode and therefore be indirectly prejudiced towards the Hackney Hasidics who all live in close proximity.
So where does it say 'orthodox Jews have more car accidents than non-orthodox Jews'?
i'll leave you to work it out. i'm off to bed. Night.
Firstly, in my opinion, the guy in the jag was totally at fault for not reading / anticipating PP's actions.
To come from behind, undertake THEN turn right is clearly at least driving without due care and attention.
One thing I will ask for though is Please dont let learners go when you have priority. Causes all kind of problems, depending on the experience of the learner.
From them panicking, rushing then stalling to them then thinking that they can go first when they next get to the same situation.
A learner who is test standard would be fine, but how does anyone know what experience anyone on the road has let alone what a learner has ?
So where does it say 'orthodox Jews have more car accidents than non-orthodox Jews'?
LOL ! So after all that you're now saying that Orthodox Jews have the same amount of car accidents ! 😀
Brakes- as well as postcode, the use of 'occupation' is another way that will change your quote -- t
I struggle with long sentences but an observation from my son who lives in That London - in an area well-known for its Jewish population.
He sometimes walks a dog and apparently, without fail, a Jewish person will cross the road to avoid him and said dog. Is there something in their beliefs about dogs or is it my son who's scary?
what type of dog- big, small, rabid,
what type of lad- big ,small ,rabid ?
i do not really see the connection on the info you have given, can you get your son to do some empirical experiments with a defined objective ?
Lol, it's a Lab and my son is 6'4". He says it always happens, weird.
does your son 'bark' ?
There's a large Orthodox Jewish population not very far from me. I honestly can't comment on their driving habits, but can confirm that they really, [i]really[/i] don't like dogs. It seems to be fear rather than dislike and has caused me a few problems when walking my pink-nosed, white, very sweet terrier / lurcher cross.
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So let's just summarise:
Poddy driving home waves to let a learner out
Impatient man in Jag drives round him happens to look a bit Nepalese and is in Army uniform
Poddy takes exception and there's a bit of manly gurning
STW spends the next 8 hours waffling on about all sorts of tangential shite
That it? <sigh>
Nice dog.
Badly composed photo though.
boblo - MemberSo let's just summarise:
Poddy driving home waves to let a learner out
Impatient man in Jag drives round him happens to look a bit Nepalese and is in Army uniform
Poddy takes exception and there's a bit of manly gurning
STW spends the next 8 hours waffling on about all sorts of tangential shite
That it? <sigh>
Bingo! boblo! (
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And MikeC knows Sammy Davis Jnr...
"(some of my best friends are black/gay/Jewish)."
😀
Mikec knows Padde Bra, Fred Dibna and life in the ghetto but shhhhhhhh..... 🙂
Sammy Davis Jnr was [i]black[/i] ??
Is there something in their beliefs about dogs or is it my son who's scary?
I know what you're on about. It's a cultural thing, I'm told. Jewish people haven't had dogs as pets like other European groups, so many aren't comfortable around dogs. None of my Jewish friends have dogs; none grew up with dogs in the home either. i've noticed the same sort of reaction from Asian people towards dogs too; again, it's not part of their culture to have dogs as domestic pets really. I dare say the same is true of other immigrant groups. So a lack of understanding breeds fear, it seems.
So after all that you're now saying that Orthodox Jews have the same amount of car accidents !
I have absolutely no idea of the statistics of car accidents according to culture/race/religious belief. I was merely pointing out personal opinions based on observation and experience. I think what you're doing is reading something and interpreting it in your own way according to your own agenda, rather than in the manner it was intended. That seems to be a common issue on this forum.
If you are young, male and have a 'sporty' looking car, you are much more likely to get stopped by police than other groups. Is this ageist and sexist? Or are the police simply acting on observation, experience and knowledge that people of that particular demographic are more likely to drive too fast, be uninsured, be in possession of drugs etc?
I shall be mindful to act without prejudice on my journey to Stamford Hill later. Wish me luck.
the dog ting with orthodox jews is indeed cultural, also some more pragmatic jews see them as a waste of money, but its mainly the fact that dogs were associated with the oppression of jews during pogroms and more recently with the holocaust.
Montalbano makes reference to poor road skills, 'driving like a dog on drugs' .
I think what you're doing is reading something and interpreting it in your own way according to your own agenda, rather than in the manner it was intended. That seems to be a common issue on this forum.
you have read the critical mass thread too then 😉
I have absolutely no idea of the statistics of car accidents according to culture/race/religious belief. I was merely pointing out personal opinions based on observation and experience. I think what you're doing is reading something and interpreting it in your own way according to your own agenda, rather than in the manner it was intended.
My "own agenda" ? What agenda ? I haven't got an agenda !
You informed everyone that orthodox Jews are apparently bad drivers, and according to you "facts support such claims".
Well quite unsurprisingly I was fascinated by such claims - I had never previously heard the suggestion that some religious groups might pose higher risks on the roads. So I asked a few questions - there was no "agenda" other than I was intrigued by your allegation !
Then I became intrigued, again unsurprisingly, by your claim that you never suggested that orthodox Jews were bad drivers - your U-turn was really quite spectacular !
And now apparently your inconsistencies are all [i]my[/i] fault because I have "an agenda" ! 😀
like two bald men fighting over a comb.......
You informed everyone that orthodox Jews are apparently bad drivers, and according to you "facts support such claims".
no, what i actually did, and you'll learn this if you read my earlier posts carefuly, was state that:
My girlfriend lives in an area with a large population of orthodox Jews. Many of them are terrible drivers; the dents and scratches on their cars is (old) testament to this. We are always very wary of cycling in her area, as the standard of driving is so bad. they simply don't look where they're going, and God/Yehova/Yaweh help you if you are on a bicycle.
Which is quite different to your interpretation that I claim all orthodox jews are bad drivers. Just many of the ones i see in Stamford Hill. This is a common topic of conversation amongst residents of that area, many of whom have had accidents or near-misses with cars driven by orthodox Jewish drivers. This is observation, experience and knowledge. At no point have i claimed that any particular religious groups are bad drivers; it just so happens that the majority of bad drivers I witness in that area happen to be orthodox jews. That's an observation. I have no idea what makes them such bad drivers, and have at no point claimed that their bad driving is down to their religious beliefs. it could simply be purely coincidental that a large number of bad drivers in that area also happen to be orthodox Jews. however, my observations and experience tells me to exercise caution when cycling in that area. If you lived in or near that area, i'm sure you would do the same. Maybe it is a form of 'cultural profiling', but exactly the same in principle to police stopping young males in sporty cars. Is it 'racist'? No more so than assuming brown-skinned people in a predominantly Muslim populated area won't want to drink alcohol or eat pork. all the football hooligans i'v ever seen have been white men; I make no claim that all white men are football hooligans.
My "own agenda" ? What agenda ? I haven't got an agenda !
What, other than the one where you seem intent on claiming i have labelled all orthodox Jews as 'bad drivers'?
In other news, I have witnessed evidence ot the contrary that 'all black people have a wonderful sense of rhythm', 'all Irish people are drunken alcoholics', and 'all Asians run corner shops'. I have however met some black people who are wonderful dancers, one or two alcoholic irishmen, and the corner shop down the street is run by asian people.
you have read the critical mass thread too then
I have indeed; in fact it was there I noticed the propensity of people such as yourself, to spout ill-informed ignorant rubbish about something they had no knowledge or experience of.
This thread is reminding me of the (not so) old days of big hitter pointless arguments. I'm still not a fan.
mikeconnor-- as i said before, i think you are wasting your time with some people, there is nothing like a mind set against itself.
This is all poddy's fault. 😀
...you seem intent on claiming i have labelled all orthodox Jews as 'bad drivers'?
Mate, I copied and pasted what you posted. The word "all" is purely your invention, I haven't used it.
You have clearly labelled orthodox Jews as bad drivers, ie, you have suggested that there is a connection between being an orthodox Jew and being a bad driver.
And in case you hadn't noticed, I haven't argued against your claim - I don't feel there's any need to.
This is all poddy's fault.
He just didn't predict the effect his actions would have did he 🙁
Great thread.
Excellent example of internet arguing...
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This thread is reminding me of the (not so) old days of big hitter pointless arguments. I'm still not a fan.
Agreed.
You have clearly labelled orthodox Jews as bad drivers, ie, you have suggested that there is a connection between being an orthodox Jew and being a bad driver.
No I haven't, read this bit:
At no point have i claimed that any particular religious groups are bad drivers; it just so happens that the majority of bad drivers I witness in that area happen to be orthodox jews. That's an observation. I have no idea what makes them such bad drivers, and have at no point claimed that their bad driving is down to their religious beliefs
I hope that clears things up once and for all. Feel free to carry on arguing, i'm off to Grodzinsky's for some bread, because I won't be able to get any tomorrow. I may pop in to Getters and pick up some chrayne too. Have a nice weekend.
[Rubber_Buccaneer - MemberThis thread is reminding me of the (not so) old days of big [b]hitter[/b] pointless arguments. I'm still not a fan.
and I thought he mentioned Hitler and so we would have been saved from any more drivel by Godwins law and can move onto something more productive/amusing...
He just didn't predict the effect his actions would have did he
He knows what this place is like too.
Enough