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so many chiefs wanting to run the country
we thank you for elevating us to above the maggots dear leader 😉
The Tories really are putting the 'n' into cuts.
They didn't hide the fact that public services would be hit in their manifesto did they ?
postierich - Member
Watching the news and size of the crowds are very impressive and good natured mostly all walks of life trying to protect services and jobs shame the minority will get all the headlinesPosted 5 hours ago # Report-Post
Yep the tory minority got a look in, and said how sad it was the plebs destroyed property.
But a better way to look at it is all the work for skilled tradesmen,the clean up squads, the recycling industry, and the police writeing up all those reports about how they defended the capitalist buildings, while not catching bike thieves.
Junkyard - Member
we thank you for elevating us to above the maggots dear leader
All hail dear chiefs! All hail dear chiefs! Still maggots though.
Oh look! The chiefs want to run the country ... 😆
p/s: ... all must be thankful to Dear Leader ...
argh Mike, just the man, is this a good or bad time to apply for a head of biology post at a 6th form college, and what are the implications to careers of heading to a 6th form collge for a few years?
Top tip: instead of whining, simply work harder meaning you finish your job earlier thus saving our ears.
Hora; you might want to take yer own advice there mate... 😉
Tijuana Taxi - MemberI find it quite ironic that a good many of the coppers there today probably feel exactly the same as the protesters about the cuts.
psychle - MemberMy wife was down on Oxford St today (needed to buy something, didn't realise the protest march was on...) Anyhoo, she spoke with a riot bobby to find out what all the fuss was about and he said (after explaining the situation etc) just exactly that, ie. that he'd have been in there protesting as well if he weren't working...
This letter from a serving police officer appeared in today's Morning Star, of all newspapers :
[b][i]
I hear that Tom Winsor, who recently carried out a review of police pay and conditions, has found himself a wee bit under pressure and as a result has asked chief police officers do his dirty work by spreading favourable propaganda about his findings.
I would urge my fellow officers not to be deceived into believing that they would be better off under his proposals.
Listen to your federation, read the Polfed website, for that is where the truth is to be found.
I have no doubt that chief officers are worried about their own futures with the impending plans for elected police chiefs.
Commissioners will do all that they can to curry favour with their political masters even if it means costing officers' jobs and livelihoods.
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has fallen woefully short during the last 12 months or so.
I am reminded of the words of Oliver Cromwell when he dissolved the rump parliament in 1653.
"Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your god for a few pieces of silver."
We are officers of the crown and our loyalty is to the Queen and to the people we serve and certainly not the government.
My rallying cry to my colleagues up and down England and Wales is this - stand firm and stand united.
Do not be deceived by those who would deceive you.
This government's game is divide and conquer.
If we lose this fight not only will we lose but so will every public-sector worker in the country lose.
James Chespy
Rochester [/i][/b]
I find it quite extraordinary that Bullingdon toffs should have alienated coppers so much that one felt moved enough to write to the Morning Star. Not a wise move for the copper imo, although presumably he knew what he was doing.
But yeah, we're all in this together..........we're all gonna be screwed by this government.
Yeah that letter sounds really credible. I'd usually expect people to readily have a quote from Cromwell to hand and if I had something to say, I'd certainly say it to a circulation of 5 at the risk of my career.
Nice to see the Morning Star is still a pile of patronising twaddle.
Well PC James Chespy will be able to sue the Morning Star then trailmonkey.
PC James Chespy :
[url= http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Police-Review-Community-2008/This-week-with-PC-James-Chespy.html ]This week with PC James Chespy[/url]
[url= http://www.policereview.com/talk/community-directory?keys=+James+Chespy ]Community Directory[/url]
[url= http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kjTq6S_WjH4J:www.cumberlandnews.co.uk/fund-started-to-help-workington-policeman-bill-barker-s-family-1.640732%3FreferrerPath%3D2.6280+%22James+Chespy%22&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk ]PC James Chespy has written to a police magazine.[/url]
[url= http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0rrp9_H-KPEJ:review.police.uk/index.php%3Fd%3D1%26p%3D1%26c%3Dquestion1%26s%3D330+%22James+Chespy%22&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk ]it is clear that the job works on overtime to revise or abolish the rate in favour of salarying officers would not work[/url]
And so it goes on.......
PC James Chespy is clearly a very real copper. If the Morning Star has falsely claimed that he wrote a letter to them, then he will have no problem suing them.
Which is surprising, because I know for a fact that the Morning star has a lawyer who reads every issue before it's published for libellous content - I've seen him do it.
You see the Morning Star unlike other newspapers can't afford to be sued, it would quite possibly bankrupt them.
So it looks like they've dropped a bollock. Or you're talking shite.
But then your suggestion that no one can quote Cromwell when writing a letter is obviously shite. So I guess it's probably just a case of you talking shite.
it's probably just a case of you talking shite.
🙄
seriously ernie_lynch, i'd expect more of you than that tj cut'n'paste nonsense. all your linking proved was the point that i was trying to make. the article in the star was nothing more than editorial rhetoric in the guise of a news article/letter provided by a like minded stooge.
**** me, you wonder why the workers are disenfranchised from the left when we're fed that sort of patronising nonsense.
worst of it is, we used to have the star at home and i can remember seeing through it when i was 13 🙄
how was the demo Ernie?
I shall indeed be leafleting in an hour or so time, to publicise next Saturday's demonstration against government policies.So if anyone is in Croydon and wants to join us, we will be outside the Whitgift Centre (High Street side) from 12.30 pm.
which alternative were you marching for?
Miliband?
or the zero cuts message?
the article in the star
It wasn't an article. It was a letter in the letter's page. I made that point very clear in my first post. Read posts properly before commenting ? 💡
big_n_daft - Member🙄
Well a copper suing the Morning Star for falsely claiming that he had written a letter to them for publication will undoubtedly make the news. So it should eventually become clear who is talking shite.
But then again big and daft, you far more of an expert on talking shite than me.
btw the Morning Star has never in its entire history been sued by anyone - it has made sure of that. I don't know what protocol it uses before publishing letters, but I suspect that it is very simular to that of the Guardian which will only publish letters after it had contacted the author by phone to confirm that they are who they say they are. No newspaper likes to be needlessly sued.
I have to say big and daft, you and trailmonkey have surpassed yourselves in pointless challenging of facts which don't quite fit in with your own distorted prejudices. You even got me to respond. Well done.
It wasn't an article. It was a letter in the letter's page. I made that point very clear in my first post. Read posts properly before commenting ?
trailmonkey - Member
.............the article in the star was nothing more than editorial rhetoric in the guise of a news article[b]/letter[/b] provided by a like minded stooge.
Read posts properly before commenting ? 💡
You even got me to respond. Well done.
you didn't answer the questions though
how was the demo Ernie?which alternative were you marching for?
Miliband?
or the zero cuts message?
?
Are you pissed trailmonkey ? ........ I've never known you to act quite so dense before.
I thought your comment that no one would think of quoting Cromwell in a letter was a staggeringly moronic one-off, but you appear to be determined to show that you are capable of much more.
btw the Morning Star has never in its entire history been sued by anyone - it has made sure of that. I don't know what protocol it uses before publishing letters,
it's pretty simple. it has a very small circulation and generally publishes letters from like minded readers.
which is the point i've tried to make in my original post. a letter from a socialist to a socialist paper means very little. if the same officer had sent the same letter to the telegraph and had it published it would haver twice the impact and twice the credibility.
the editor of the star could have written everything that the officer did, which kind of makes the letter pointless.
that no one would think of quoting Cromwell
as Cromwell has a mixed reception in certain company I would regard quoting him as something that should be carefully thought through
anyway, back to the demo, how was it for you Ernie? 😉
the editor of the star could have written everything that the officer did, which kind of makes the letter pointless.
Yes, you appear to be determined to show that you are capable of much more.
So the letter was pointless because the editor could have written it, despite the fact that PC James Chespy did ?
Well that is true of every letter in every paper then. All letters in papers are therefore "pointless" according to you.
Your objection is based on the fact that you think letters in newspapers are pointless. You should have said that at the start.
No, how was it for [i]you[/i], BnD?
Well?
are you still at the Olympic clock Ernie?
how was it for you, BnD?
I went for a bike ride, you know, a prior commitment 😉
Your objection is based on the fact that you think letters in newspapers are pointless. You should have said that at the start.
no, my objection is based on the letter being of little value because the whole point of letters should be about opening up opinions for debate.
just agreeing with the editorial is pointless, so i guess that pc chespy's letter falls into that category, yes, although in fairness, i've been trying, rather painfully, to say that from the start.
anyone watching news 24
they just cut live to the the scene bbc home affairs correspondent who was able to reveal the massive scoop that a taxi was being held up by a small group of protestors but the taxi driver was being very good natured about it
Fair enough. Was it a good ride? Where d'you go?
So, trailmonkey thinks all letters to newspapers should be contradictory to the onions held by the papers themselves then? Just to 'stimulate debate'?
Wait until he sees what I wroted on the Boat Race thread then. That'll fox him. 🙂
just agreeing with the editorial is pointless
So you read the Morning Star editorials do you ? Well so do I. I have not read any editorials concerning Tom Winsor's review of police pay and conditions.
Perhaps you can show me which editorial that letter is agreeing with ?
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/1796
local 25 mile road loop, injury precludes mtb at the moment
huffed and puffed up the hills! 🙂
anyone watching news 24
they just cut live to the the scene bbc home affairs correspondent who was able to reveal the massive scoop that a taxi was being held up by a small group of protestors but the taxi driver was being very good natured about it
Yep. playing "where's Ernie?"
do you guys ever sleep? I'm beginning to suspect. and where do you get to in the end? somebody is right? for the night?
where do you get to in the end?
the demo?
I'm right Kev, as everyone knows, but it's fun letting them argue amongst themselves for a bit. Keeps them occupied.
A bit like Palestinian lands. 😯
You wanna try the nuclear power stations thread. I think some bloke's arguing with himself. 😆
So you read the Morning Star editorials do you ?
no, if i want to patrionised, i just enter into dialogue with you.
are you tyring to suggest that pc chespy and the star are miles apart ?
they're not though are they.
typing stuff
no, if i want to patrionised, i just enter into dialogue with you.
Try the boat race thread, TM. 🙂
Ooh this wind's terrible. I can't possibly sleep with this wind. 😡
if i want to patrionised, i just enter into dialogue with you.
So that's what this is all about.
Well ? ...................do feel "patronised" ?
So anyway, you're admitting that you can't back up your claims because you don't really know what you are talking about, and you were just talking out of your arse as usual. Again.
Well I'm glad we've cleared that up.........it took a while though.
to answer kevevs
last one awake and still posting is the righteous one
So anyway, you're admitting that you can't back up your claims
where did i say that ? i've been quite clear, the star only prints letters that the editor agrees with and pc chespy would have made more capital from a letter to the telegraph.
patronise some more, it's raising your stock.
It's ok; the wind has blown through. Pressure's eased right off. That's a relief, I must say.
And on that note, I bid you goodnight.
X
argh Mike, just the man, is this a good or bad time to apply for a head of biology post at a 6th form college, and what are the implications to careers of heading to a 6th form collge for a few years?
Depends on the college.
Job security-wise, it's all about attracting people to the course and the college. That's our big unknown at the moment - every 50 students we lose costs us something like £250,000 the following year.
Our pay offer wasn't as good as schools this year, so our pay scale is now slightly lower (but not by much). A colleague was offered a job in a school, but he turned it down, and I know of other teachers who have mad the move back, but not many - most much prefer the 6th form world 🙂
Our redundancies, this year, have all been because specific funding streams were cut, I'm sure. Most teaching staff haven't been affected.
I much prefer it to when I was a primary teacher. But, I teach a coursework subject and the marking is getting me down at the moment; I've had something to mark every weekend and holiday this academic year, so far, meaning I've only ridden my bike three times 🙁
Have we reached that point yet again where we see our childrens education and examins disrupted by teachers protesting about something that isn't the childrens fault?
Lots of deficit deniers here I can see - what a surprise 😆
Apparantly a sizeable chunk of the marchers were calling for MORE spending, hahahaha.
Labour's spending was eye-wateringly out of control and utterly reckless, anyone care to disagree?
I see this government is all for cuts until it comes to their own expenses.