the-muffin-man
Full MemberLooks like McLaren are doing a Red Bull/Ferrari hybrid sidepod upgrade for this weekend.
Yes looks quite a big update.
However, it's for Lando only, I'm getting these vibes:
Yep - Lando is getting first crack that this.
McLaren need to pull something special out of the bag if they're going to claim fourth in the constructors standings this year, Alpine have been over-delivering of late.
It'll be a fine, not a DQ
nickc
Full MemberIt’ll be a fine, not a DQ
I know, I was joking. But there is a serious point- a fine doesn't help, they've got money to burn. They've gained an advantage which has won them both championships (assuming the rumour is correct & it is red bull) and the performance advantage will continue to be an advantage next year.
It would be good to dock them wind tunnel time or something.
Yeah agreed, it's not much of a deterrent, I'd bet money teams have any fine built into the budget anyway. It's what I'd do.
Or they’ve just spent too much on marketing and not really gained anything. Will be interesting to see what comes out though. A fine taken out of next years budget would work
Just one more nail in the coffin for my love of F1.
Why is this news coming out 10 months after the season has ended? Overspend last season was more likely for gain this season. Was it not being monitored during the season in some way?
Let them piss money up the wall if they have it, chuck as many engines in as they want and go back to the 80s style of racing! 🙂
Only way to truly control costs is to make it a spec series.
Why is this news coming out 10 months after the season has ended?
It's not news, it's speculation.
Only speculation if it's reported on PlanetF1! 🙂
It's being reported on a proper F1 site too...
https://the-race.com/formula-1/red-bull-one-of-two-teams-believed-to-have-broken-budget-cap/
Good chance Red Bull will be collared for overspend this season too. There's been rumours for a while now they've blown the budget and have been using Alpha Tauri for R&D work too.
I wonder if Team Redbull......erm, sorry I mean David Coulthard & Mark Weber will ask Karen about the budget cap?
Aaaaah shit!... 🙁😀🤬🤬
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-extends-sky-tv-broadcast-deal-until-2029/10376571/
A fine taken out of next years budget would work
Would it? Or would teams then spend £300m this year to make sure of the championship and just write off next year?
They have designers, engineers, drivers, etc who are all pushing right to the limit of what rules allow and will find and exploit any loophole they come across.
I'm pretty sure they have accountants doing exactly the same
the-muffin-man
Full MemberAaaaah shit!… 🙁😀🤬🤬
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-extends-sky-tv-broadcast-deal-until-2029/10376571/Posted 21 minutes ago
****S SAKE I WANT F1 TV PRO STUPID ****S
Also, if the budget cap is in USD and most teams are paying their staff, and presumably many other budgets for manufacturing, facilities, travel, etc in GBP and then Kwarteng steps in to bugger it up they could suddenly find themselves in trouble.
Not sticking up for RB by the way, other teams appear to managed it, but the budget cap could just favour those who hedge best rather than those who spend wisely
It'll never happen but I would like to see this.
https://twitter.com/SportmphMark/status/1575798823418417152
Re the sky news, I've not seen anything confirming exclusivity of digital rights, it all mentions "broadcast". So I'm clinging on to a faint hope that F1 TV might become available, but know that this is about the same hope that Leclerc has of still winning the title this year.
Things are likely to get dirty!...
Well this is dull! I feel an afternoon nap coming on! 🤣🤣😴😴
Yeah can't say I enjoyed that
Latifi gets a five place penalty. So last becomes last then
George had a shocker today, well done to Perez. Great drive.
Nice to see Perez pulling 7+ seconds out of the Ferrari towards the end. Other than that I think I watched 70% at 12x speed just to get through it. MaxV and LewisH showed overtaking wasn't a great option. Thank goodness for the 2 hour time limit
Yeah those conditions are terrible for racing anywhere, let alone a street circuit. As soon as you try to attack you end up on the wet bit of track and lose all grip.
I think Perez was damn lucky to avoid getting 10 seconds for his safety car incidents. I thought it was just a warning then one incident, but it was a warning then two incidents, so really should have been 2 x 5s time penalty, not 1 x 5s + 1 reprimand.
So RedBull have dodged one serious penalty this week - Wednesday could be interesting though.
Sadly F1 has really now become 100% about the show. No way was Perez going to be given a penalty that would have lost him the win after giving him the trophy.
Likewise I don't believe the budget cap breach will come to anything at all despite it helping that team hugely last season and this season.
Nice to see Perez pulling 7+ seconds out of the Ferrari towards the end
RB are just trolling the rest of the field now tbh. Max probably knows that yesterday didn't matter. It will happen in the next couple of races easily. I'm also tired of the hype about Merc finally being in with a chance of winning. They're nowhere near it.
.. double post.
Just been reading that Dietrich Mateschitz has died. Sad news if true.
Honda logo is back on the RB from Japan onwards, good to keep them in the sport.
Apparently the news on the budget overrun is due in the next 2 hours.
So, given Honda’s form in deciding when to join and leave F1, the badge goes back on the car just as it becomes a PR albatross…? 🙂
Shame about the race; fairly eventful yet never actually interesting. Inevitably, racing at night in a city notorious for its humidity means the track is never going to dry out off the line, so it’s pretty much “follow or crash”. Fine in the dry, fine in the rain, no good after the rain.
Awaiting FIA report!...
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Even if Redbull are found to have taken the piss by a large amount I cant see them getting more than a fine and as mentioned above that's no deterrent when they have extra cash due to the cap. Regardless of who's over spent I hope they get a proper punishment that makes others think twice about it.
You get the feeling figures are being massaged and lawyers are being prepped while we wait!
Regardless of who’s over spent I hope they get a proper punishment that makes others think twice about it.
To paraphrase Max Mosley '$10m for the offence and $90m for Christian / Helmut being prats'
Lawyers must be busy.
...or those suitcases stuffed full of cash are heavy and taking time to get though the back door at FIA HQ! 🙂
Report delayed - there's some shit that needs to be buried deeper than their current shovels allow - FIA's management of F1 is pathetic...
https://the-race.com/formula-1/fia-delays-publication-of-f1-cost-cap-breaches-review/
...don't want to spoil Max and Hondas party this weekend!
Just popped in to see if I'd missed an update.
Delayed until next week!!
There must be some legal wrangling going on. I thought it was pretty much sorted & ready to be announced.
However, the FIA has announced a timeline that indicates this will not take place until next Monday (October 10), stating “the analysis of financial submissions is a long and complex process that is ongoing”.
I thought this had been done already?
Karen must have gone nuclear.....?
Red bull will just threaten to pull the team if the fine and points deduction potentially leads to the loss of last year's title.
There must be some legal wrangling going on.
I'm must be so dyslexic! I read that as 'corrupt bullshit'
Red bull will just threaten to pull the team if the fine and points deduction potentially leads to the loss of last year’s title.
It's ok. I think Tizer are lining up for a spot with VW
