Per the BBC, seems a bunch of drivers have grid penalties already
Verstappen (again!)
Sainz
Hamilton
Bottas
Tsunoda
No idea why MV has penalties again but I guess it's one way of spicing up the race...
Does anyone know whether C4s TV coverage is still as originally scheduled?
Wonder if it’s a tactical penalty from Red Bull. Take a new gear box / engine so you have a fresh one in rotation but with the hope you do another Spa and storm through the field with no issue. Ferrari are so behind on points that even if you don’t win it’s not a huge loss?
Hasn't Checo got a penalty too?
Russell for the win after Ferrari screw up LeClerc's race at the last minute?
How big a parachute are Merc dragging behind them this weekend?
Max Verstappen - 5 places
Sergio Perez - 10 places
Valtteri Bottas - 15 places
Carlos Sainz - 20 places + 5 places (gearbox)
Yuki Tsunoda - Back of the grid
Lewis Hamilton - Back of the grid
Porsche and Audi are both owned by VAG, so why would they want competition between their own brands? Seems a bit strange. But I suppose Ferrari and Alfa are owned by the same company too. Will VAG have a two-tier team system like that? 'High end' and 'consumer'F1 brands? Skoda to come in as new back markers?
DeVries in for Albon - wonder if he can beat Latifi like he did yesterday?
I’ve got a lot of time for Alex Albon
https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/1568549779319279617?s=20&t=pOiCcioEx0tYw0redQkN3Q
Porsche and Audi are both owned by VAG, so why would they want competition between their own brands?
They did this in the WEC for a few years until the diesel scandal made Audi pull out
Williams deserve so much better than Latiffi.
Porsche and Audi are both owned by VAG, so why would they want competition between their own brands?
AFAIK Porsche's plan was to buy into Red Bull's engine tech base, as inherited from Honda. Audi is proposing to build it's own F1 engine from the ground up. Who knows, we might even see McLaren TAG Porsche again at this rate.
Interesting grid though, what with the penalties and all.
How come verstappen has ended up behind Danny ric (who iirc qualified 8th)?
It'll be the order in which the penalties we're given out as so many had them. Max, Sainz, Perez, Hamilton all demoted so Ric leapt up the order.
Never mind, this vid explains it
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/xazoz3/how_the_grid_penalties_were_applied/
Red Bull aided by race direction's decisions? What a surprise.
Red Bull aided by race direction’s decisions? What a surprise.
I enjoyed the race but man that ending sucked
red bull were always going to win the race and covered everything Ferrari threw at them. De vries should get a seat next year, must be a few drivers getting a bit uncomfortable.
De Vries should get Lafiti's seat now.
What a shit show
Nope.
The Red Bull Engine base has nothing to do with Honda other than the staff that moved across.
And there are probably staff there that have worked for every other team on the grid.
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De Vries should get Lafiti’s seat now.
Absolutely!
The very nanosecond Alex Albon is fit to drive again Lattifi should be out on his lug!
What a shambles
OK, I take it back, Ferrari did not screw that one up...🤣🙈
I dunno, I was unsure why they gave up track position with an early first stop even if it was under VSC. It left them no choice but to pit again, which left Charles 17s behind Max with 17 laps to go. Seemed odd to roll the dice on a two-stop when they were ahead on track with decent pace. Maybe their data showed something that wasn’t apparent on TV, maybe they just dropped the ball again.
My guess is that Ferrari couldn't make the tyres last so figured a two-stopper was worth the gamble.
What a shite ending...
WTF was Bottas up to not un-lapping himself?
(Not that the race result was ever likely to change in the last couple of laps....)
I don't think lapped cars were told to overtake, the first bunch that did was just the safety car picking up the lead car. The rules state the pack needs to then form up (again) before lapped cars are allowed past.
The FIA followed the rule book to the letter, but because the safety car did not pick up the lead car, it takes ages to sort out and no cars are allowed past the safety car until the recovery vehicle is off the track.
I'm torn over this one - the race directors did a lousy job of managing the safety car. It should take no more than one or two laps for the pack to form up when you're dealing with an isolated incident on a dry track. Also perhaps circuits need to review their recovery plans and the FIA should mandate that an intact stopped car can be recovered in X minutes no matter where it is on the circuit - obviously things will always take longer for multiple cars or where there's a load of debris.
BUT - I'm OK with races finishing under the SC if an incident happens late - it's happened before without any hoo-haa because it was appropriate and fair. If the rules and timeline for an SC are clear then all the teams can react accordingly - the trouble with AD last year and now Monza was that the SC period was executed poorly so at least some of the teams feel let down by this.
I thought the rules have changed now so the cars have a set laptime under safety car conditions, so it takes much longer for the pack to form up, even more so when they need to complete a whole lap having been let past.
Liberty Media have got to be behind this push for Colton Herta - he's gone from pretty good (but not great) Indycar driver to the hottest catch in F1 - now Alpine want to run him in their car - all seems a bit weird...
https://www.racefans.net/2022/09/13/herta-tipped-for-alpine-test-in-latest-twist-to-red-bull-saga/
Here's a thought about lapped cars in safety car periods.
Why are they sent forward ahead of the safety car? Why not send them to the back, maybe by sending lapped cars slowly through the pit lane while the leaders remain on track?
Why can't lapped cars just put on the brakes on the left side of the track and filter backwards to the correct position. Much quicker 😂
Because that gives them an advantage, because they then have one lap less tyre wear and more fuel.
They could just leave them where they are?
If there where 3 lapped cars between you and the car in front before a safety car, why not leave them there instead of giving the following car an artificial advantage by closing the gap.
Leaving them there seems the best solution to me, you then don't artificially mess with the order too much; all it does is close up the gaps between cars regardless of the lap they are on. Sometimes things are overcomplicated!
If AD hadn't happened, it wouldn't even be a debate.
If AD hadn’t happened, it wouldn’t even be a debate.
AD was a debacle, but it happened because finishing a race behind a safety car is pretty anti-climatic. Personally, I think an automatic red flag instead of a safety car within five laps of the end would be better. Still not perfect, but nothing will be, and a five-lap sprint race would be exciting. Maybe allow tyre changes and repairs, but put those cars at the back in the order that they finish their pitstops. Cars that don't make tyre changes or repairs start at the front in their previous running order.
Anyone else just noticed that this whole entire saga is because of Latifi?
AD was a debacle, but it happened because finishing a race behind a safety car is pretty anti-climatic.
i thought it was because the race director buckled under pressure from red bull.
whenever a safety car happens some people loose out. sometimes a race finishes under a safety car.
though all sport is entertainment for the people watching, it’s actually a competition for the people in the race, i’d rather is stayed as competition first and entertainment second even if this means that an occasional race finishes behind the safety car.
none of that really covers the, “did they do it properly in monza?” question, but like i said, i’d prefer a competition following the rules than a dramatic 4 lap shootout for the sake of entertainment.
Its the whole Sport vs Show argument
You could throw safety cars, have 5 laps at the end of the race, but it all starts to descend into some kind of Nascar/WWE situation, where every race has to finish in some "spectacular" way.
The finishing order at the front would have been the same as if the Safety Car hadnt been needed, and the right person won on the day. I'd rather see that at every race than another AD farce.
Sometimes you need a boring race to make the good ones stand out.
Remember when Michael used to qualify on pole and just drive off into the distance?
Those world cup games that end in 0-0 after 90 mins?
5 days of cricket which still ends up as a draw?
No we forget all those, but if every race ended up with some mario kart ending involving banana skins being thrown out onto circuit to spice things up, we'd forget about all of those too.
Sometimes you need a boring race to make the good ones stand out.
Too right! After a hard bike ride on a Sunday morning I want a soporific F1 race to help me into a power nap after lap 5. Exciting racing from the start means no power nap and a grumpy Mark for the rest of the day!
Those who watch on NowTV - how long does it take for them to make full race available on demand? Two days after race and it isn’t there. Couldn’t watch live on Sunday.
Not overly happy as you can’t even pause while watching. It’s a bit rubbish!
They don’t, hence why its called now tv.
C4 for the replay.
Which is why the better and cheaper option is f1tv & vpn, £8 a month for awesome coverage that puts sky to shame. Its a real shame how much sky have ruined it with their greed. £35 a month for live only or £60 odd to get f1 channels, no thanks.
