Max earlier....
I'd say he is treated differently.
Brazil showed he is sometimes given more latitude than other drivers in order, it seems, to preserve the spectacle.
Seems to me that verstappen is just pulling moves that Hamilton was lauded for over the previous years. Just when two people are doing the same thing it will go wrong.
Also, since when did race stewards negotiate with teams as to what penalty they would like??? Surely as stewards with an experienced driving standards rep they should just hand down the penalty and the teams such it up.
I guess that’s why Verstappen has 7 penalty points on his license and Hamilton has 2. If you don’t think what you’re doing is wrong, you’re more likely to continue to do it.
Hamilton does have 2 reprimands for his driving this season (rather ironically!) so a 3rd one during practice or qualifying this weekend will trigger an automatic 10-place grid penalty.
Hamilton definitely used to push Rosberg off track when he attempted to overtake on the outside.
Just needs a definitive statement and consistent enforcing. The FIA/Stewards are not capable of it though.
That’s a solid argument he’s putting forward there tbf
In his head he doesn’t need to. He’s right and everyone else is immaterial. That attitude, as a tool in a performance skill set, helps him become successful (or at least has done so far). As a personality trait it helps him come across as a dickhead. But you don’t win trophies for not being a dickhead.
Interesting to see that the tide of comments is heavily against him.
The only way this season is going to end in a clean and honourable manner is if Lewis shows him a clean pair of heels from Q3 onwards. Anything else is just going to end up in an ugly mess, whether that’s endless arguing between fans, controversial stewarding decisions, or actual carbon fibre.
Just needs a definitive statement and consistent enforcing
Or just show them the Vettel v Button video above and point out the parts with “racing room”
Seems to me that when points are added to your licence they should come off your championship score. Otherwise what's the, er..., point?
The only way this season is going to end in a clean and honourable manner is if Lewis shows him a clean pair of heels from Q3 onwards
Or Verstappen does. (which he did do at this circuit last year)
Or Verstappen does. (which he did do at this circuit last year)
But Hamilton and Mercedes had nothing to fight for in that race (and Hamilton had just come back from Covid and was far from his best - just like the first part of this season).
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Hamilton definitely used to push Rosberg off track when he attempted to overtake on the outside.
It's been a few years so perhaps my memory is hazy, but I seem to remember it being more when the two cars were side by side; no one particularly in front so Hamilton would just take the racing line and yes, Rosberg would end up being pushed off.
With Max it's quite different because even when the overtaking car gets well past Max's car and has the move done, he just keeps off the brakes with no real attempt to make the corner & runs then out wide, by virtue of the fact he can't make the corner on the line he is on. He doesn't attempt to even make the corner himself.
So... Not so Secret Santa?
Seems to me that when points are added to your licence they should come off your championship score. Otherwise what’s the, er…, point?
Accrue 12 in a calendar year and it is a one race ban...
Also, since when did race stewards negotiate with teams as to what penalty they would like??? Surely as stewards with an experienced driving standards rep they should just hand down the penalty and the teams such it up.
Masi isn’t a steward. Ordinarily, for obvious reasons, he sorts out the ‘you need to give that place back’ issues straight after they occur. If the teams don’t do what they’re supposed to Masi refers it to the stewards who assess it and impose a penalty if required.
The only difference here is that the red flag happened so soon there was no time for the normal process, so they sorted out during the stoppage. It wasn’t negotiating a penalty, it didn’t get that far, because they sorted it out in the normal way, just not in the normal place.
With Max it’s quite different because even when the overtaking car gets well past Max’s car and has the move done, he just keeps off the brakes with no real attempt to make the corner & runs then out wide, by virtue of the fact he can’t make the corner on the line he is on. He doesn’t attempt to even make the corner himself
I think this sums it up perfectly with Max.
A lights to flag boring race victory for Hamilton is what I'm hoping for so that there's no silly conspiracies or stewards intervention that decides it.
When asked if his opinion of Hamilton and Mercedes had changed over the course of their battle, Verstappen was blunt. “Yes, very much so,” he said. “And not in a positive way.”
He continued with a sense of grievance, expressing his belief that he was being unfairly singled out by the stewards in Saudi Arabia.
“Clearly only I was wrong somehow, other people do exactly the same thing and get nothing,” he added. “Both of us were off the track into turn one and somehow they judged that it was my fault, that I don’t agree with. It’s not how it should be, it’s not fair because it seems like other drivers can do different things, and it seems like only I get a penalty
Maybe his anger and false sense of victimisation is what he needs to motivate himself but that doesn't sound like the talk of a champion to me. Still sounding like a petulant teenager.
A lights to flag boring race victory for Hamilton is what I’m hoping for so that there’s no silly conspiracies or stewards intervention that decides it.
I'm hoping Bottas takes out Verstappen and Perez at the first corner so I can listen to more moaning from Karen.
Haha...not
I'm with the others, I am actually wishing for a dull, processional race (with Hamilton at the front, obvs). Which says a lot about how mental it's got over the last few races!!
From that press conference its pretty obvious that Lewis appears to be living rent free in Max's head.
It’s the new Monaco.
Rent free in his head, what a topper! 😂
I am also hoping for a VERY boring race where Hamilton leads from lights out to chequered flag and well and truly hands Verstappen his arse on a silver platter. I said that about the last race too mind and we all know how that worked out!
Be nice to have a boring procession, Hamilton handing Verstappen his arse on a plate all weekend, Bottas in 2nd and the rest I don't care about. Mayne fastest lap for Hamilton on the last lap just to rub salt in the wounds of RB.
It’s amazing that for all Hamilton’s virtue signalling BS he was happy to drive in Qatar on a track which has been built by slave labour. What a detestable hypocrite!
Tired hater nonsense.
I assume you feel the same way about all the footballers that will be playing there next year?
Damn I was enjoying this thread now we have a troll - Well done burner.
Personally, I would like to see Verstappen run wide again to push Hamilton off and both break their front wings, then have them fight their way back through the field, but with Verstappen having a five second penalty. Verstappen would have to decide whether to go for it and try and get clear of Hamilton through the traffic, or to try and block him so that neither got back to a points paying position.
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Personally, I would like to see Verstappen run wide again to push Hamilton off and both break their front wings, then have them fight their way back through the field, but with Verstappen having a five second penalty. Verstappen would have to decide whether to go for it and try and get clear of Hamilton through the traffic, or to try and block him so that neither got back to a points paying position.
You've given this a lot more thought than me, but yeah, that scenario would work for me though I'd prefer if it was REALLY OBVIOUSLY Max's fault so I didn't have to listen to Karen moaning. Thankfully, I'll be watching the official F1 steam so I don't get to listen to DC...
I think the C4 live stream will have the Sky commentary, so no DC. Win.
See MV now complaining about being treated differently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59593834
No Max, you exceed track limits so you can't be overtaken, Muppet.
As earlier a Perez win by a large margin, showing the car was capable, LH anywhere in the points. MV in the garage having blatantly nerfed LH breaking his own suspension by returning to track at a ridiculously steep angle.
That link above goes to formula1.com, not BBC. Here's the correct link.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/59593834
I mean, he's right....he didn't get punished in Brazil for running Hamilton off the road, but Lando got punished for a less severe defence in....er....somewhere.
I wish one of the journalists had pointed that out.
None of the journalists I’ve seen have come close to asking the blatantly obvious questions to Max on driving standards or even stated the position that it’s absolutely ludicrous to be behaving like this at the pinnacle of motorsport. They all appear to be shit scared.
The closest any of them came was Martin Brundle during the Saudi race itself.
It’s amazing that for all Hamilton’s virtue signalling BS he was happy to drive in Qatar on a track which has been built by slave labour. What a detestable hypocrite
So it would be better if he made no effort at all?
Our of interest does it bother you when they take the knee?
I think the C4 live stream will have the Sky commentary, so no DC. Win
I quite like the C4 commentary, especially when it's Webber and Coulthard. I think Webber is a good antidote for DC's nerdiness.
Under Rotation Vs stick some new bags on.
Obviously you have to try and look past the bias.
Can't remember who, but I recall a story about someone working with Robert Redford - someone asked them what he was like, and they replied "imagine what anyone would be like if, for sixty years, no-one had ever said no to them". That's how I think of Max.
Me, I would love it if they end up going wheel-to-wheel, Max does his take-no-prisoners "driving himself off the track to take/defend a position" spiel, and Lewis just gently (and accidently, officer!) turns him into the kittie litter. 🙂
As earlier a Perez win by a large margin, showing the car was capable, LH anywhere in the points. MV in the garage having blatantly nerfed LH breaking his own suspension by returning to track at a ridiculously steep angle.
Almost that, but a huge race-long battle between Checo and LH where they swap places fifteen times, cleanly, showing how it should be done, and checo just edges it on the line.
LH would never risk it though, if MV is out he would just cruise around being as safe as safe.
Which race was it where LH and Checo were side by side for about three corners? They did alright in Brazil too
Lewis just gently (and accidently, officer!) turns him into the kittie litter.
Not much of that at Yas Marina - just acres of tarmac runoff so you can leave the track and keep your foot down without losing much. Me, I'd like Merc to take a 1-2 but for Bottas to get the win while Lewis takes the title.
FWIW I think Max will nerf Lewis off in some way and will take the championship.
But, what about the other players? Lots of screentime and reputation to be made at the start by crowding Max? Who else could get involved in a first lap punt up the inside? The grid is going to be fascinating.
But, what about the other players? Lots of screentime and reputation to be made at the start by crowding Max? Who else could get involved in a first lap punt up the inside?
Also there effectively four RBs out there, and I expect Alonso would defend like a lion if LH was behind him. Who have Merc got to help, maybe Russell but there's only so much you can legally do when being lapped and I don't think he'll be anywhere near the front otherwise
Alonso was quoted the other day as saying he’d prefer to see Verstappen get the championship.
Yeah, I think he’d defend position against Hamilton.
Similarly, I think Norris, Russell, Bottas, Ocon and maybe Leclerc could/will make life difficult for Verstappen.
There are Merc Engines in 10 of the cars. I am not for one minute suggesting theres any instruction etc, as I am sure there isnt. But if your going to buy an engine from someone in 2022, wouldnt you like that team to be the World Champions?
(This also disregards the important fact that the Drivers world championship is different from the Constructors Championship, and its the Constructors Championship that gets the big buck prizes...)
Russell is the only one really outside of the Factory Merc team that you'd say has a real obvious stake in this and hes already said this week he wants LH to win.
(Because maybe he thinks if LH wins then he hands in his notice on Monday and Russell ends up Merc #1 sat next to Ocon or a test driver....:D )
