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I thought it was interesting in that clip up there ^^^ that Karun popped a number of clips in of Max giving Lewis zero room.
Look at what happened a couple of corners before. LH was fully ahead of Max at the entry however Max had the inside line and Lewis, instead of turning in to claim the apex, backed off as it was Max's corner at that point by virtue of having the inside. A similar ruling was made a couple of races ago where the driver on the outside was penalised as the car on the inside has 'right of way' so to speak.
Max had been doing a fair amount of squeezing and weaving which was just about in the rules down the straights as well. Ultra aggressive stuff - good to watch but I agree when LH says when you drive like that it sometimes won't go your way.
For CH to say well this is different because it's Copse and one simply doesn't drive up the inside at Copse is bollocks. Max would have made exactly the same move as LH and had there been contact Red Bull would be saying LH turned in on him.
50/50 in my book however given race control had Horner on the blower alleging LH of attempted murder etc I think they caved a little bit.
Got to let these guys race a bit otherwise there's no point turning up. It does set the second half of the season up though. Will Max get even more aggressive, will LH continue to hold his line, will LH's experience of closing a championship out under pressure help and Max start to flap a bit? Going to be really interesting.
It seems that most of the other drivers think it was a racing incident. I'm not sure it was disrespectful to celebrate, everyone was asking how Max was and they were told he walked out of the car, going to hospital was purely precautionary.
I would also add that throughout his career LH has always admitted when he was in the wrong. Even against Albon when immediately after the event he said it was a racing incident he reviewed it and held his hands up and said it was his fault. Can't see it being any different this time round to be honest.
Interesting reading the comments of the other drivers too. None of them have come out and said it's nailed on either Max or LH's fault and they are usually the best judges in these scenarios.
It seems that most of the other drivers think it was a racing incident
That's going to make the next driver's briefing interesting - I'm sure Masi will raise it with them and go through the rules that Toto has mentioned, so there will probably be the 4 RedBull drivers with a different opinion to the other 16. Or 15 as Kimi won't give a **** either way.
I am tiring of the C4 Red Bull commentary team and constant interviews with christian Horner.
If there was a another way to watch without paying Sky I would do it.
I think that team representatives/principals haranguing the officials is very distasteful and something the FIA needs to stamp out. Toto sending emails and insisting the recipient reads them during the race, having clearly been told that won't be happening, and CH bleating his side of the story, in both cases not even to the right person, is just ridiculous.
First of all, it looked like a heavy impact for Max and I am relieved that he's okay.
Karun Chandhok's analysis tells us a little more about the incident - Max appeared to turn in on an understeering Lewis and paid the price. Lewis wasn't entirely blame free - it was a risky move and he could have left more space.
I thought Karun's summary was pretty spot on. Max's style of driving is "aggressive" as both he and CH put it. And he does seem to have developed a very strong and deliberate style of intimidation, some of which can be considered "strong" and some of it is just stepping beyond that line. As has been mentioned, they were going at it from the start and Hamilton did back off a couple of times and gave him space. This time though he had so much more momentum, Max still tried to squeeze him into the pit wall and I think the main reason Hamilton had come out was to try and give himself a shot at making the apex. Max then turned in too quickly and too strongly - not sure where or how he expected Hamilton to go. I felt the penalty for Hamilton was a bit harsh but in the end he overcame it with a quiet sensational last 15 laps or so. Again, as much as I like Bottas, he just wasn't really at the races again today. Wasn't really putting the pressure on Lando and allowing Le Clerc to get away.
I hope the incident makes Max think a little more about the way he drives but I suspect it won't. Maybe though, he will think twice before trying to squeeze Hamilton too hard.
CH is just an annoying windbag at times though. Funny how the Imola incident (when Max basically slapped Hamilton on the corner) from his perspective is "just hard racing and if you don't like it you need to consider whether racing is your thing" and yet yesterday's incident is "totally out of order" and "desperate".
The was an interview in the very first Rapha magazine with either Thor Hushvod or Mangus Backstedt (other spellings are available) where they were talking about being your man's main sprint lead-out and they said along the lines of
'Your racing 60-70kph and winding up for the sprint. Another guy tries to take your piece of road so you have two choices - you give them the space or you choose to crash. So, you choose to crash because if you give them space next day they will take the space again but if you crash they'll think twice'.
I think yesterday was basically the F1 version of that. Yes LH could have backed off but he would have had to do so much earlier as it all happened so quickly. In fact the point at which he would have need to have backed off would have been when he was fully along side Max. But if he had backed off Max would have done the same next race (as he has proven time and time again).
All LH did was hold his line - and rightly so...
Max appeared to turn in on an understeering Lewis and paid the price. Lewis wasn’t entirely blame free – it was a risky move and he could have left more space.
Right. Which is a classic racing incident. They both have the option to fold but they’re both still random sing each other.
Karen’s clip compilation is interesting: plenty of times Max has barrelled up the inside of Lewis—most notably Barcelona—and Lewis has chosen to fold and play the long game. But that was when he wasn’t more than a race win behind in the standings. This time Max simply found out that Lewis didn’t fold.
Welcome to racing the best drivers in the world: they don’t get paid tens of millions to back down in a fight.
Let’s see what happens if they end up facing off at Eau Rouge… 🙂
Welcome to racing the best drivers in the world: they don’t get paid tens of millions to back down in a fight.
Was it Senna who said the day you don't go for a gap is the day you should retire? As LH said in his interview yesterday - he isn't going to back down for anyone 🙂
Let's see how Max handles real pressure against a driver that ain't going to put up with his shit any more. LH can afford for them to come together again I think more than Max can...
Horner really did lay it on thick. He managed to stop short of accusing Lewis of attempted murder, but only just!
I think the penalty was fair. Max has defended early so Lewis has a choice. He could have stuck to the outside line, although he knows instinctively that this will mean Max can just run him wide on the exit of Copse. Instead Lewis has chosen a line at corner entry that will make it difficult to make the corner without running into Max, but I'd day it was "optimistic" rather than "desperate".
Lewis could have backed out slightly earlier and avoided the collision. Max could have opened up the steering and also avoided the collsion, but he is the one with track position so is entitled to take the normal line.
So I think on balance a bit more blame falls on Lewis. There are, I think, three penalties the stewards can hand out during a race. 5 Second Time Penalty, 10 Second Time Penalty and a 10 Second Stop-Go penalty. They've gone for the middle options, given the above it seems fair.
But if he had backed off Max would have done the same next race (as he has proven time and time again).
Yup. One of the things that most impressed me with Verstappen in his first season was his car positioning. It was incredibly Senna-like and he rapidly built that reputation as someone who would be the last to back down in those fights—a seriously impressive feat for any rookie, let alone one so young.
But back then Max was in a Toro Rosso and wasn’t in a position to deny anyone a championship. Now he’s getting the firm response that he didn’t get when he arrived because none of the midfield guys really needed to deliver it.
Of course, he won’t be chastened by this. Nor should he. He’ll still go all-in, because that’s what it’s going to take in order for either of them to beat the other.
Which is great 🙂
Was it Senna who said the day you don’t go for a gap is the day you should retire?
Yeah, it always comes up on these occasions, but we do have to remember that he said it to try and pretend that taking Prost out at Suzuka was a racing incident, when he (and everyone else) knew full well it wasn’t.
I think it was the first corner where Lewis had the inside line and squeezed Max out wide, Max just went of the track and carried on, he could have made the same choice at Copse as there is tarmac runoff (I think Leclerc chose this option later when Lewis passed him). It would have been wise from Max as he was in the faster car and likely could have won anyway. I guess he's not used to being in the fastest car and needs to change his mindset slightly to think big picture.
Max appeared to turn in on an understeering Lewis and paid the price.
Absolutely this - he made two sharp turns of his steering wheel when he knew Hamilton was there and paid the price.
Yeah, it always comes up on these occasions, but we do have to remember that he said it to try and pretend that taking Prost out at Suzuka was a racing incident, when he (and everyone else) knew full well it wasn’t
Suzuka was completely different. Last race of the season and if neither driver finished Senna was champion and the way he went into the side of Prost there was no mistaking his intent. Lewis didn't spearhead Max in the radiator and Max could easily have avoided contact.
At the corner entry they were side by side too so Max knew he was there. With Prost/Senna - Senna was behind when Prost turned in and made no attempt at all to do anything other than take them both out.
Senna even said before the race he was going to do it, it was only after the event he claimed 'racing incident m'lud'. He would not have got away with it these days.
I think this was much more a case of Max getting as good as he gives and for once coming off worse.
The 'whose fault is it?' question is obvious but not really what interests me. I know that's how the press tend to frame these things but for me it's more a reflection on how Max HAD to beat Lewis today, on every lap, and every corner. That smacks of needing to prove something.
Lewis is cannier than that. Watch Rosberg vs Lewis Bahrain 2014. He can concede a corner and still win the race. Max is going to have be smart to beat Lewis, and that's not what he was this time.
I was kinda ambivalent about Red Bull/CH and Max, was thinking CH had managed to control Max a bit and he was maturing as a driver. However it’s clear that CH wasn’t doing that, he will just defend his drivers no matter how much he has to exaggerate and forget what has happened at previous races (he wasn’t called CrashTappen for no reason). A nasty piece of work just like Max and his dad.
And the result of all this is that Lewis has had to endure an increasing amount of racist abuse, the flames of which have been fanned by CH and MV a great deal.
I’m afraid I’ll be one of those people cheering when MV goes off in the future. The whole team stinks.
LH has always said he will drive within the rules - his problem with the rules in the past has been that they have never been applied consistently. I was hoping they were starting to put things more down to racing incidents recently but that change appears to have been reversed with the George Russell (3 grid places FFS!!!!) and LH penalties.
Horner's bleating really does him few favours. He wouldn't be the first team principal to be guilty of that (Ron Dennis), he should also remember that the only other seven time world champ twice nerfed opponents off the track.
Absolutely this – he made two sharp turns of his steering wheel when he knew Hamilton was there and paid the price.
You've got to remember the time delta here though. At the first turn in MV was going for the racing line, he didn't know where LH was. When he noticed the Merc alongside, he backed off the steering. The second, what people are seeing as aggressive turn-in, is at least in part due to the fact that they're substantially further into the corner and MV now needs more lock to get around the corner without going off line and loosing too much speed. Lewis by this point is too fast and at too shallow an angle to carry as much speed into the corner and so has to brake earlier. MV turns across the nose of LH, just as LH starts to get his understeer under control. MV accelerates around the front of LHs car, but LH isn't turning as much as MV as he's again fighting understeer. MV overlaps LH front wheel and it's contact and a spin.
Just a racing incident. Once again, the kerbs and the near useless gravel traps make for a big accident whereas the funny sandpaper at Paul Ricard woul'd likely have slowed MV much more.
Always we see cars launched by a kerb and then skipping like a stone on water over the gravel.
What it *does* prove, and it’s far from the first incident to do so, is that if you’re going to buy a ticket for Silverstone, you should buy one for Copse 😀
For CH to say well this is different because it’s Copse and one simply doesn’t drive up the inside at Copse is bollocks. Max would have made exactly the same move as LH and had there been contact Red Bull would be saying LH turned in on him.
However it’s clear that CH wasn’t doing that, he will just defend his drivers no matter how much he has to exaggerate and forget what has happened at previous races
It's the same in any sport when there's foul play. Coaches and managers have to put on a public display of supporting their team even when they know that their side is guilty as sin. Nobody takes what they say seriously.
You write much that makes lots of sense apart from
he didn’t know where LH was
He knew exactly where Hamilton was – just before the corner they were almost alongside each other but Verstappen chose to turn in anyway, hoping that Hamilton would pull out of the move (like he did in the sprint race on Saturday in very similar circumstances).
he will just defend his drivers no matter
Good, that's what you want in the fight for the Championship, a boss (that in public at least) fights like a bulldog in your corner. Nowt wrong with that.
There is no doubt about MV's speed but he's still making clumsy mistakes. He could have avoided that and he probably had the speed to win over the race but chose to try and force Lewis into backing out, except lewis was basically too committed. It even looks as if Lewis is trying to back out but then isn't given room.
Max has previously said something about 'if you don't concede we'll collide' type thing. I'm sure other drivers have made the same comments. Ultimately he lost 25 points.
Lando and Leclerc managed to not crash despite being passed in the same corner, so you can pass there. Horner was being a jerk saying you cant pass there. I get he's frustrated but some professionalism now and again may help.
also agree with C4 Red Bull bias. Great team but know who their paymasters are!
Max had much more downforce adn thus a much higher apex speed. Hamilton took too much speed in and understeered into max
When the hit max had given him a car and a half width - lewis missed the apex thats why lewis got the small penalty
Just another way of seeing it.
Good, that’s what you want in the fight for the Championship, a boss (that in public at least) fights like a bulldog in your corner.
There is robustly defending your driver and then there is accusing other drivers of stuff that didn't actually happen. Toto defended Lewis but didn't say Max was a mass murderer and had just made the worst, most dangerous move even seen in F1.
Lando and Leclerc managed to not crash despite being passed in the same corner, so you can pass there.
Yes =- and the man on the inside hit the apex and didn't run wide with understeer.
He knew exactly where Hamilton was
But he didn't really. He would've expected Hamilton to be heading towards the apex, he wouldn't have had a clue that he was understeering and following an odd path as a result (hence the FIA explanation)
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There is robustly defending your driver and then there is accusing other drivers of stuff that didn’t actually happen. Toto defended Lewis but didn’t say Max was a mass murderer and had just made the worst, most dangerous move even seen in F1.
No, he was busy attempting to send info to Masi via a private means. Doubt he'd CC'd anyone at Red Bull and didn't hear that he visited the stewards with his evidence as Masi suggested
No, he was busy attempting to send info to Masi via a private means. Doubt he’d CC’d anyone at Red Bull and didn’t hear that he visited the stewards with his evidence as Masi suggested
I am on about about the interviews afterwards. CH was way way over the top of his criticism of Lewis. Toto kept a much cooler head
Of course he did, he'd just won the race. He's not going to bring more attention to the event when he can't possibly benefit any more.
Basically, they are all sneaky ****ers and would sell their Grannies if they thought it would get them the upper hand
Good, that’s what you want in the fight for the Championship, a boss (that in public at least) fights like a bulldog in your corner. Nowt wrong with that.
The way MV and CH have reacted here is not the way champions go about their business - it smacks of fear and an inferiority complex.
Surprised nobody had posted this yet. Crowd reaction seems pretty normal, they all know it’s a biggie
The way MV and CH have reacted here is not the way champions go about their business – it smacks of fear and an inferiority complex.
Yep.
https://twitter.com/DExpress_Sport/status/1417049109794545667
Surprised nobody had posted this yet. Crowd reaction seems pretty normal, they all know it’s a biggie
That's the only exciting moment of the entire F1 day out.
^^^ OOft, shit just got real
I don't see what's odd about that crowd reaction.
Edit: not sure if you were meaning it was somehow odd or not. But it seems normal enough, like when someone drops a tray in a canteen some folks go way-hey.
Max Verstappen unfollows Lewis Hamilton on Instagram after British Grand Prix crash
I’m sure Lewis will cry himself to sleep tonight over that revelation. 🤣
^^^ OOft, shit just got real
Ha, ha, unfollowing someone on social media must be the modern equivalent of getting your mate to tell your other mate that you're not talking to them any more.....
The problem with the Daily Express is that it's mainly written by cynics for the benefit of the lobotomised so I'd treat anything they publish or tweet as fiction until it's verified elsewhere first.
The view of the crash from the stand is quite terrifying, Max hardly slowed before thumping the tyre barrier. Regardless of what we might think of Max, it was a nasty impact.
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Free MemberI don’t see what’s odd about that crowd reaction.
Edit: not sure if you were meaning it was somehow odd or not. But it seems normal enough, like when someone drops a tray in a canteen some folks go way-hey
There were earlier comment(s) saying the crowd cheered when Verstappen went off. Think the video shows the crowd in a good light; excited then muted
I’ve got five quid on “Christian Horner replies to Mercedes tweet with poo emoji” 👍
The noise the crowd made was *exactly* the noise any crowd at any motor racing event I've ever been to have made when there's been a big crash - nothing partisan about it.
Yep, there was an "oof!" when Max hit the tyre wall and some stood and clapped as the marshals went to help him from the car.
I don’t see what’s odd about that crowd reaction.
There's been a lot of fuss about the English/Hamilton fans supposedly cheering the crash, but it's pretty overblown from the videos I've seen. There's a kind of gasp as he goes off, then (on the video my mate who was there sent me) lots of booing presumably from Verstappen fans, followed by cheers and applause from everyone when he gets out seemingly unscathed.
There were earlier comment(s) saying the crowd cheered when Verstappen went off. Think the video shows the crowd in a good light; excited then muted
From where I was sat at Village (watching on the big screens at that point) there was an initial big cheer as he was coming up alongside and it looked like the moved was on followed by shouts of astonishment when it all went off. From what I could see on the big screen was a lot of dust and an onboard of Max's rear view that cut out and went static before the impact so no-one could really see just how hard it was. There was some sounds of relief when it was seen that Hamilton was still running then it all very much quietened down until it was clear from the commentary and screens that he was moving and able to get out. Big applause and cheers as he got out of the car.
Obviously a very different experience from being right next to the barrier where the impact was as it simply wasn't clear just how bad it had been, especially once they had pulled the car out and you could see the damage.
From my opinion it was a racing incident. Max could have left more space, backed out or gone over the tarmac run off if needed. Lewis was being optimistic but could have made it stick if Max had played a bit nicer. Both championship contenders refusing to back down. It was always going to happen at some point this season.
Red Bull doing a Priti here or am I being too harsh?
Really stretching things to say that Red Bull have anything at all to do with racist ****s abusing Hamilton. They might be annoyed with him (or its part of the act) but I'm not aware of race ever having anything to do with any of it. What a dumb post.
Really stretching things to say that Red Bull have anything at all to do with racist **** abusing Hamilton
Because of the way they basically accused him of attempted murder? Gave the trolls extra ammunition and they did nothing at all to try and diffuse the situation?
I think when the other drivers are saying it's a 50/50 incident what they really mean is "Max had it coming".
The reason he's had less crashes in the last couple of seasons isn't because he's got better as a driver, Its because other drivers have learned to stay well out of his way.
Far from being cowed by all the crap being thrown his way, Hamilton looks more energised and determined than ever and I swear Toto Wolf looked about 6 inches taller than usual in the post race interviews. Men and boys.
Though there's a rumour that CH is pissed because LH still owes him money... rent for all the time Lewis spends living in Horners head.
Because of the way they basically accused him of attempted murder? Gave the trolls extra ammunition and they did nothing at all to try and diffuse the situation?
Where does race come into that?
Because of the way they basically accused him of attempted murder?
1. I didn’t hear anything along those lines. Did they actually “basically accuse him” of that, or is that just people on social media blowing things out of proportion?
2. You do realise you can criticise, even hyperbolically, the actions of a person of another race whilst still abhorring racism, right?
In answer to your original question of “am I being too harsh?” Yes, you are. Stop trying to create some sort of ugly narrative that just isn’t there.
I'm no aficionado, but do watch racing when it's on and I'm passingly aware of the 'personalities'
Having read a few more articles this weekend and followed on here, this sounds a bit to me like school bully pushes everyone around and because no-one stands up to them keeps getting away with it. Until one day someone does and now they're whinging to teacher and moaning like a cry baby.
I though LH caused it, both could have avoided it, but the side by side videos do clearly show MV turning right. As he did two corners previously. Just this time LH thought sod it, I'm not getting pushed around forever.
"What a dumb post"
If Red Bull hadn't come out with all the bull in the first place then they wouldn't have to be tweeting out their disgust now. So the Pritti Patel analogy would be correct.
Not saying CH is being deliberately racist, just that he's a complete moron. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution.
I'm sure his sponsor is 'proud' of him.
As I said earlier, Red Bull gives you whinge.
Not saying CH is being deliberately racist
By qualifying that statement you seem to be rather implying that he’s being unintentionally racist.
What are you basing that on?
I broadly agreed with the BBC's take here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/57882992
I'm not sure that Hamilton had as much choice as people make out - at some point he was going to have to 'not yield' to Verstappen else MV will be continuing to drive this aggressively. He picked the right moment it seems!
So the profit Patel analogy would be correct.
Apart from Patel works very much in the race business, RB do not.
If LH had deliberately shunted him off would RB not therefore be allowed to claim because of a racism issue they do not appear to be part of?
Stop trying to create some sort of ugly narrative that just isn’t there.
I am not saying that Red Bull were being even unintentionally racist but, as a global team they should think carefully about the kinds of comments and statements they put out there and how those may be used as ammunition by distasteful factions in society.
CH on no less than 3 occasions very publicly made some pretty wild accusations about LH's character and driving as did Max as did Marko - all of which helped fuel the abhorrent abuse that followed.
As I said in an earlier comment, robustly defending your employees (in this case driver) is one thing, chucking out hyperbolic rants about another team's driver - particularly in such a charged atmosphere - is unwise. Especially so when they are quite clearly bollocks.
CH on no less than 3 occasions very publicly made some pretty wild accusations about LH’s character and driving as did Max as did Marko – all of which helped fuel the abhorrent abuse that followed.
That’s what I was (genuinely) asking about, though: what actually are those three or more statements that you think directly feed racists?
It’s not like racists need anything to latch onto anyway. They’re racists: they just hate for no good reason, they need no reason. We can’t all stop saying things just in case a racist retweets it.
Lots of rules for drivers, maybe some rules needed for mud slinging team principles.
That’s what I was (genuinely) asking about, though: what actually are those three or more statements that you think directly feed racists?
They were very inflammatory and unfounded comments that were repeated and then reinforced on numerous occasions and yes, I think the whole Red Bull team were very unwise in the way they handled the matter and yes, when such comments were so explicitly aimed at a Black driver I can see it being fuel thrown on the fire.
These teams are meant to be media savvy enough to understand their words may be attached to more unpleasant comments later on and I feel, if you read the Red Bull statement, they have rowed back significantly from where they were yesterday saying it was hard racing etc and they have dropped the whole 'Lewis was trying to kill Max' narrative hence my comments.
Maybe I am being overly harsh - I am happy to accept that could be the case however I just feel they have handled the aftermath very poorly and put Lewis, unfairly, up as a target.
I used to quite like Horner for his honesty, but he has got whingier and whingier over the last few seasons.
He was really annoying me by his repeated use of the phrase ‘chucking a wheel up the inside’, implying that Hamilton out raked himself into the corner when in fact he had been much further up the inside and was essentially backing out/braking when Max turned in. And to keep going on about the consequences making a 10 sec penalty unjust is ridiculous - there have been hundreds of incidents that ended one driver’s race penalised with a 5 or 10 sec penalty previously. I’m sure Max has caused more than a few himself.
I’m sure a lot of the drivers are not too upset that finally someone stood up to Max, who has long been someone known for giving no quarter. Quite incredible that Hamilton drove away with virtually no damage.
Great that Max is ok, and should make the rest of the season even more interesting.
Bez,
For the last 5 years CH has been consistently disrespectful to LH, contemptuous even and yesterday he crossed the line, he clearly implied that LH had deliberately pushed Max into the wall and that he should be ashamed of himself. You could see the C4 team interviewing him were having to hold themselves back, they could see what CH was doing and what was likely to ensue and were having to censor themselves. I bet the RB marketing team were tearing their hair out watching the interview and relieved that questions that were on the tip of the interviewers tongues weren't being asked.
Someone once said "the thing about football is that it's not about football" and I think the same thing applies across a lot of sport, especially where large corporate interests are involved. Given what just happened post Euro's, CH's behaviour was moronic and the outcome inevitable.
Of course you can condemn the actions of a person of another race whilst still abhorring racism but as Winston Churchill once said, "there is what you say and what is said"
"Apart from Patel works very much in the race business, RB do not."
Sport not in the race business?
Sport is front and centre in the race business, has been since Jesse Owens, whose sponsorship by Adidas demonstrates the triangulated relationship between sport, race and commerce.
So you couldn't be more wrong. Shut up and dribble (over your keyboard) you plonker.
There ought to be a penalty the FIA can impose for talking utter bollocks! 🙂
There ought to be a penalty the FIA can impose for talking utter bollocks!
On forumistas or team principals 😀
inkster
Free Member“Apart from Patel works very much in the race business, RB do not.”
Sport not in the race business?
Sport is front and centre in the race business, has been since Jesse Owens, whose sponsorship by Adidas demonstrates the triangulated relationship between sport, race and commerce.
So you couldn’t be more wrong. Shut up and dribble (over your keyboard) you plonker.
Yes, the principle of a F1 team is just the same as our cretin of a Home Secretary who seems to take great delight in chucking people out of the country. You've entirely convinced me, especially the part where you resort to insults, that sealed it tbf
Is that right, Verstappen stopped following Hamilton on Instagram? Really? is he still a child. How pathetic.
I'm not surprised RB are complaining, neither Max or Perez scored any points, any lead they'd built up after wining the last 4 races has pretty much disappeared in a puff of tyre smoke for the sake of a dodgy overtake on the opening lap...I'd be spitting feathers as well. M'leh, It'll all blow over.
*looks at the calendar to see what thriller will keep this entertainment going*
Hungary ffs, can we not just skip straight to Spa?
They were very inflammatory and … explicitly aimed at a Black driver
OK, but… I’m still curious as to what they are. You said there were at least three.
For the last 5 years CH has been consistently disrespectful to LH, contemptuous even
Has he?
He’s been a little over-reaching in his defences of his drivers and in particular Max, eg implying that Ocon deserved more of an assault than just a shove when he and Verstappen collided in Brazil, but in all the interviews I’ve seen he’s fairly consistently expressed the view that Lewis and Max are the top two drivers and if I’ve heard anything contemptuous from him before this week then I’ve forgotten it.
Hungary could be pretty good, especially if the weather plays it's part. Lewis has won there 8 times before already and there's arguably more chance for the drivers to make the difference given the layout. If they line up on the front together, could be fire works!
I just wanted to add, how much of a team player is Bottas? Consistent podiums and in his own race for 3rd overall but still has done a lot for Hamilton recently, not just yielding on track but punching a hole in the air for him during qualifying at previous races.
Sorry for the (mild) insult mashr, but if you going out there saying sport has got nothing to do with politics then you're asking for a bit of a ribbing really.
I understand that CH and PP may not share the same motivations but the consequences of their actions are the same. Another similarity is that they have both had to roll back on their earlier comments.
If you find yourself saying 'I didn't mean to say it' (That's what a roll back is) then you didn't have to say it in the first place.
Yes fooman, Bottas a proper wing man at the mo. He always does this doesn't he? Just when you think he's about to be shown the door he comes up good. Any talk of him being replaced after the break is silly surely?
Any talk of him being replaced after the break is silly surely?
Depends if Mercedes want a wing-man or a Hamilton understudy in Russell?
And of course if Bottas is happy being a wing-man.
Yesterday showed that Bottas isn't the one to lead a championship challenge. In those circumstances and with Lewis's 10 second penalty he should have won that race yesterday.
OK, but… I’m still curious as to what they are. You said there were at least three
He made the same statements at least three times, both on the radio to race control at the time and in subsequent interviews - that Lewis' driving was unacceptable, that he was dangerous, That Lewis should be ashamed of himself, that a driver of Lewis' calibre shouldn't drive like an amateur etc and with the strong inference Lewis had deliberately put Max in hospital. It was totally over the top and then Max and Helmut carried on in the same vein.
This is the same team principal who said, when Max took maybe Lewis, maybe someone else out (I cannot quite recall) in not dissimilar circumstances, that if drivers couldn't take the odd collision as part of hard racing then they should quit.
He was relentless in his criticism of Lewis and yes, I do think that was inflammatory and played a part in giving people the justification for the abuse they gave Lewis.
EDIT - it is better to just watch Horner's Sky interview. The hate in his voice and the way he puts his words across is the definition of inflammatory in my book. Other view points are available of course