Yeah, looking forward to a bit of a shake up this season!! 🙂
I think Renault will be OK, with regular points finishes. The talk is that last years car was decent, just let down by lack of money to fund development
But they did have the Merc power. 2 steps forward, 2 steps back.
Sounds like he's a quick driver!
he's in a slow car and team with no money, he will end up last or close to last
he's in a slow car and team with no money
albeit powered by merc engines and with use of the merc wind tunnel. They wont be last this year i reckon.
I still think last place will be sauber.. although I have a soft spot for all the privateer teams.
I agree, prob Sauber at the back, which is a shame I was always a bit of a fan! I agree I always prefer it went the privateer teams do well. Seems closer to the original spirit or something...
Manor have a genuine chance of embarassing McHonda this year I reckon.
If they haven't raised their game massively since last year, the Anthill Mob, Dick Dastardly and the Slate Brothers have a genuine chance of embarrassing McHonda.
I'd think we can forget last year's mchonda, they knew it was beyond hope by mid season and everyone in the know thinks they can easily fix the fundamental problems for this year. It seems Ferrari have gone for some major repackaging of their 2016 pu to allow for variable inlet trumpets, so there may be some fun for them to get that all integrated properly again.
Im hoping Ferrari and merc produce comparable units thus year, and that Honda and Renault aren't too far behind. I can live in hope for another fortnight anyway...
Ferrari engine sounds nice on the bench, hopefully that'll translate to the track...
https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/697813539852066817
sound like they have an old metal dustbin as the exhaust, bernie will be happy vroom vroom 🙂
Ferrari engine sounds nice on the bench
Sound like a bag of spanners to me, as all f1 engines sound like at idle
Looks like we're guaranteed one decent f1 sound next year - channel 4 are keeping The Chain.
Ferrari engine sounds nice on the bench, hopefully that'll translate to the track...
not to be outdone mercs claiming an improved noise
Sorry I feel dirty and cheap listening to ^^ ..must cleanse the palate.. 8)
Bring them ^^^ Back ..... they sound amazing
Yep! V12 not the scruffy sounding V8's though
That V12 sounds great forget all that ERS,Kers and hybrid nonsense..... bring back the noise
Stop living in the past, F1 has always been about change. These current pus are powerful, efficient and make a whole range of interesting sounds, in fact gp2 and 3 sound like monotonous whines after hearing f1.
One week today and we'll have some clues about who got it wrong over the winter, but let me be the first to say 'it's only testing '
With it being half term, I finally had time to finish construction and start testing on my team's 2016 car.
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Red Bull livery launch - very much the same, less fussy though, and seems to be all matt now...
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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-unveils-revamped-f1-livery-673984/
Less fussy..
Theres fewer sponsors on there
looks like they have taken on the designer from STR ..I know they are the same company just in case you didnt see the side pods. Looking forward to a decent innings from STR this year 🙂
EDIT: thats a 2012 str
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Looking forward to a decent innings from STR this year
Yep, a 2015 Ferrari engine, a great chassis to build in from last year, and two fantastic drivers. The two Dannys must be giving them some serious side eye...
Williams re-launch last years car!... 😀
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/02/19/williams-fw38-first-pictures-revealed/
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...Ferrari launch later today - hopefully there will be a little more change on their car (and possibly retro livery).
First of the big guns showing off their 2016 cars.
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As always the Martini livery looks stunning IMO.
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Edit...a minute too late 😀
Ferrari launch later today - hopefully there will be a little more change on their car
You can see more of the differences in this shot...
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Mercedes are obviously confident about their cooling requirements then!
The number of F1 fans on here must be dwindling - I've been out all day and no-one has posted a pic of the new Ferrari yet!
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Looks like we're converging on a design solution for the current rules. Well, until force India evolve their nostrils and we see the real red bull.
The Ferrari is awful. The Williams is lovely.
Whilst they all look mean and broody atm,we'll have to wait and see what Monday brings, can't wait.
rosbergs posted a lap in the [url= https://twitter.com/nico_rosberg/status/700758109766098944 ]new merc on twerpper[/url]
ooeerrr theres been a leak overnight and its not hydraulics 🙂
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As usual it looks good but will it have the balance JB wants or the HP to satisfy Alonsos GP2 cravings?
Also Haas will make an appearance at 2pm.
Have Honda fixed their low powered hand grenade?
ooeerrr theres been a leak overnight and its not hydraulics
...their hydraulic leaks start on Monday morning!
Have Honda fixed their low powered hand grenade?
[url= http://thejudge13.com/2016/02/18/honda-refute-claims-their-2016-f1-power-unit-is-unreliable/ ]According to rumors, no. According to Honda, yes.[/url]
At some point in time, one of Honda's press releases will turn out to be true, but I wouldn't put money on this being the one. From what I understand, the internal combustion engine was actually fairly good, the problems were all to do with the turbo being too small and the energy recovery system being underdeveloped. Last year they did get a lot of data, so they will have improved the weak areas drastically. I wouldn't be surprised if they were comparable to Renault on power, but my guess is it will take them several months to get all the systems working reliably. A high-powered hand grenade, basically. My money's on Alonso driving a Renault in 2017.
comes with fancy vid
merc seem to have said mleh we beat you with both hands tied behind our backs why change.
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while claiming a [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35625197 ]mini revolution[/url] 😯
Haas pics released...
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...the complete lack of sponsors suggests Ferrari must be chucking them a sizeable wedge or Haas have very deep pockets!
Britneys been working hard too
http://sniffpetrol.com/2016/02/05/rosberg-working-hard-on-ways-to-get-arse-handed-to-him/#.VsnHZnOnzqA
I wonder how much it would cost to get my name/face/arse on an F1 this season car? Seems to be a lot of space going free
The Merc has always surprised me with its appearance. Doesn't seem to have the aero detailing of the others and hasn't done since the new engines but they're clearly doing something right.
And there's so much going on with the floors of these cars that we rarely see.
Live the Williams and that b spec Ferrari, sorry Haas, looks for a first attempt. Almost too good 🙂
I wonder how much it would cost to get my name/face/arse on an F1 this season car? Seems to be a lot of space going free
Remember when Honda did their Earth livery? My name was on there but I'm surprised other teams have never done a variation of it, drop in the ocean even then but better than nothing?
that haas front wing looks very ferrariesque .. The cars pretty much look the same with the skinny rear wings and bent noses.
My favourite is the fw-38 by a country mile. Lets hope its as fast as it looks
So what sites are people following on - Autosport seems to give the best updates to me, but other options welcome. Productivity about to take a nose dive...
blimey 6 laps by button and the engine hasn't fallen out.
Klunk - Memberrosbergs posted a lap in the new merc on twerpper
So Merc did some running last week (upto 100km?) Did anyone else?
Just wondering how much the other teams are actually doing initial set-up vs merc doing it last week.
Klunk - Memberblimey 6 laps by button and the engine hasn't fallen out.
Give it time, they'll still have to turn the turbo/electrics on yet!
6 laps by button and the engine hasn't fallen out.
By the time he's posted, I think the engine is from an Accord Diesel.
What's happened to Planet F1? It seems to have gone bung.
So...to the burning question.
Do the cars sound any better, or do they still sound like a collective of belching frogs?
[url= http://www.crash.net/f1/livecommentaries/5497/barcelona-f1-preseason-test-1.html ]http://www.crash.net/f1/livecommentaries/5497/barcelona-f1-preseason-test-1.html[/url]
Regular updates here, Haas front wing just decicded it no longer wanted to be attached to the car
PlanetF1 still there but not as Planet-F1 anymore
26 laps by button, they've worn out a set of tyres before the engine thats a first ! apparently still sounds as rough as night out in Newcastle.
I wonder if that's the first time a set of tyres have ever been worn out without getting to operating temperature?
nice shot of the mclaren front wing
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And in one photo we have an example of everything wrong with modern F1.
And in one photo we have an example of everything right with modern F1.
Brilliant engineering solutions at the cutting edge of technology.
I'm with dragon on this one.
It looks like some sort of marble game!
#teamdragon
Like someone very clever earlier mentioned (me!), fornt wings should be a constant profile. Like so.
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Get rid of all the silly bits of tat stuck to the ends, and reduce all the wind tunnel time and excess carbon fibre.
Trimix - MemberAnd in one photo we have an example of everything right with modern F1.
Brilliant engineering solutions at the cutting edge of technology.
I'm torn because I love the clever trinkets and engineering. But at the same time, it costs a huge amount and has no crossover to road cars, also more capable aero seems to make the racing worse.
Also I bet it looks really crap to a casual follower when their favourite driver suddenly starts losing 1.5 seconds a lap because a virtually invisible little turning vane or whatever has been snapped off their front wing.
And in one photo we have an example of everything wrong with modern F1.
And in one photo we have an example of everything right with modern F1.
It's oft quoted that you can't uninvent aerodynamics. Although teams' access to wind tunnels is being limited, computer simulations are growing ever more sophisticated, to the point where most of the work in testing is about validating all the simulation work done over the winter.
I agree that the sport has disappeared up its' own fundament. I moaned about the state of F1 during the Vettel era, the Schumacher era and the era before that. With the benefit of hindsight, I miss the screaming V10 engines and the characters of the sport a la Piquet, Senna, Prost and Mansell.
It's become technically very narrow and proscribed, the characters of the sport have become watered down to the point of being insipid and dull - that latter is a symptom of the fact that most semi-talented kart drivers have been practising giving interviews since they were in shorts.
I don't know how you'd wind the clock back, F1 really has been a sign of the times depending on which era you look at.
Like someone very clever earlier mentioned (me!), fornt wings should be a constant profile. Like so.
Back when that McLaren was launched F1 fans of the 60s/70s were also moaning about how technology was ruining F1 with their fancy new-fangled carbon fibre.
F1 has always been a technology formula.
Even Indycar has crazy aero!...
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Merc will have done 2 race distances by the end of today!
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I don't know how you'd wind the clock back, F1 really has been a sign of the times depending on which era you look at.
In this case it's easy. Just set some rules for the shape and number of elements on the front wing. I'd be happy with the constant profile idea shown in the McLaren above. I guess there's an argument that it reduces the opportunity for a smaller, less well-funded, team to come up with some innovation but it does that actually happen very much these days?
Isn't the drag coefficient of an F1 something awful? Doesn't exactly play into the eco-weenie ideals they are claiming with the [s]engines[/s] power trains
That's part of the problem, virtually every single change that has been touted as helping to ease the burden on the less well of teams has done precisely the opposite. An embargo on testing and wind tunnels has merely resulted in the teams buying huge amounts of processing power to simulate instead. Four engine manufacturers wishing to explore the potential of hybrid power trains has ensured that an engine supply costs £20m a year and a large number of potential engine manufacturers simply cannot be bothered anymore.
Long gone are the days when a high-achieving F3 team could have a friendly chat with Brian Hart, John Judd or Ford, build a chassis and rock up to pre season testing with a couple of hotshoe drivers. The last team that I can recall who did this was Jordan, back in 1991...
Bloody hell..... Rose tinted glasses and all that ...... The whole of the 90s was dominated by..... Williams and Mclaren, 2000 by Ferrari, using special tyres diffusers you name it. It's an old an old argument done to death, move on ffs!
quick question.. why is the 2015 sauber running mid pack in testing?
What are your thoughts on todays testing so far? Looks like Renault / Manor still have a bit of work to do.
Too early to say.
Manor looks OK from where they were last season, not propping up the timesheets.
Sauber pace - car is a known quantity, so they don't need to bed it in, so can run at a higher pace?
McLaren - Honda looks more reliable already. A race distance on the first day is a good start.
We'll see a bit more about pace when they do a qualifying run later in the week.
set some rules for the shape and number of elements on the front wing.
+1
I'd also change the rules so certain non-structural elements were banned, such as bargeboards and turning vanes. It may not help over taking, but one of the things about F1 is the cars need to look good, and currently the 24 hour Le Mans cars look better IMO.
I'd be happy to see an increase in testing and scrap the engine tokens.
Id say todays results are way too early to draw real conclusions from.
Bloody hell..... Rose tinted glasses and all that ...... The whole of the 90s was dominated by..... Williams and Mclaren, 2000 by Ferrari, using special tyres diffusers you name it. It's an old an old argument done to death, move on ffs!
Erm, that's kind of exactly what I was saying, if you'd care to reread my previous post instead of swearing at me. 🙄
...the cars need to look good, and currently the 24 hour Le Mans cars look better IMO.
This years Audi R18 - no aero on that, oh wait!...
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...and as pretty as a not very pretty thing! 😀
Isn't the drag coefficient of an F1 something awful? Doesn't exactly play into the eco-weenie ideals they are claiming with the engines power trains
Well, they do want to go round corners quickly as well, so that's a bit of a straw man. Personally I think it's pretty impressive that they are already using a third less fuel than they were a couple of years ago. I don't think for a minute that anybody involved is really motivated by concern for the planet but I think it's reasonable to claim that what they're doing is going to really help road cars be a lot more efficient in the next few years.
Porsche looked better. But of course they have aero, as someone pointed out you can't put it back in the box, but you can limit the amount of silly little sticky out bits and in doing so make the cars look less fussy.
Personally I think it's pretty impressive that they are already using a third less fuel than they were a couple of years ago. I don't think for a minute that anybody involved is really motivated by concern for the planet but I think it's reasonable to claim that what they're doing is going to really help road cars be a lot more efficient in the next few years.
The Mercedes "engine" is now something like 50% efficient. A figure that is quite frankly staggering.