[Closed] Excuse Me Kind Sir, That Was Rather Close!

**** me, calm cyclist or what! I'd have been raging!

I thought both chaps behaved admirably.

Love the comments:

It's called "British rage".
"Don't f** with me or I'll lecture you about basic rules of politeness"

But no tea and biscuits, how barbaric!

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Most drivers think we are tree hugging softies! many a time they have stopped with me to give me abuse then backed down when I have gone to them to reason/argue with them! one day I will come across a total nutter and will get decked but i cannot help myself 😕

So he basically runs the cyclist off the road because the cyclist touched his car following an earlier near miss?
He'd have had more than a few finger marks to worry about doing that to me on the road.

I'd have dropped the gobby little scummer on the spot.

surely that's dangerous driving? he ran him off the road!

I would have knocked him out! sorry keyboard warrior and all that but he was a total **ck who almost ran him down.

Could easily have turned nasty but instead was rather pleasant!

The car driver was calm because, I think, he knew he could've battered the cyclist if push come to shove.

People that start out agro are generally trying to demonstrate a good bark but soft as *****. Much like the stereotypical internet hardmen...

Brilliant!

Both very polite. Regardless of who is right or wrong, that's how road rage should be conducted.

I thought both chaps behaved admirably.

"Why didn't you back off and let me through if you knew if i was there?"

"What do you mean?"

LOL

Did they shake hands in the end?

The car driver was calm because, I think, he knew he could've battered the cyclist if push come to shove

Actually I think he calmed down a lot right about the same moment where he clocked the camera.

I think the cyclist totally diffused the situation by being so reasonable. Audi driver initially fancied his chances I reckon.

[quote=D0NK ]I thought both chaps behaved admirably.apart from the driver running the cyclist off the road?
I was referring to the discussion, not the initial incident. However, to be fair to the driver, after the crossing pinch-point he pulled over at a rate/angle to impede and stop the cyclist rather than swipe him off the road 😉

"I think he calmed down a lot right about the same moment where he clocked the camera"

Possibly. The cyclist sounded scared, the driver didn't.

Jeeves, bring pistols for two and coffee for one.

[i]I thought both chaps behaved admirably.[/i]

Yeah, apart from trying to push the cyclist into the kerb with his effing great vehicle, the Audi driver was a perfectly behaved piece of shit.

after the crossing pinch-point he pulled over at a rate/angle to impede and stop the cyclist rather than swipe him off the road

I was referring to the discussion

The cyclist sounded scared, the driver didn't.

Yep - and by sounding "scared" he diffused the situation nicely.

(I've seen other videos that guy has done and he uses the same slightly apologetic sounding tone in each of them - generally seems to be more effective than getting aggro)

generally seems to be more effective than getting aggro

In what way was he more effective. The Audi C*** had his behaviour and driving style reinforced and didnt feel the need to modify it.

In what way was he more effective.

davidjones15 - Member

I'd have dropped the gobby little scummer on the spot.

17 minutes to the first internet hard-man comment.

Standards are slipping.

In what way was he more effective. The Audi C*** had his behaviour and driving style reinforced and didnt feel the need to modify it.

The Audi guy actually listened to what he had to say regarding backing off to let him through and that he only bangs on cars to alert drivers that are putting him in danger.

It may not have sunk in, but he did at least get heard.

If they had gone toe-to-toe I very much doubt Mr Audi would be sat at home later thinking [i]"Hmm.. maybe that guy had a point. I'll be more considerate of cyclists next time."[/i]

Engaging in conversation with a motorist?

Brings to mind:
"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

I usually just think to myself "well done, you've just confirmed my assumption that you're a massive penis" ...

I'd have been going for the eye contact and putting the driver off making that manoeuvre way before he went for it. I'd probably have sped up a bit to put myself in a better part of their field of vision too.

It pains me to say it, but the driver has a tiny wee bit of a point.

I'd probably have ended up in a fight with them though.

I'd have been going for the eye contact and putting the driver off making that manoeuvre way before he went for it. I'd probably have sped up a bit to put myself in a better part of their field of vision too.

Not sure that would have helped - the driver stated that he knew he was there - he just didn't see why he shouldn't be able to overtake, even if there wasn't room to do so.

I was once in a very similar situation with a chap in a Lexus. I slapped his car and he was not happy at all. I did point out that if he hadn't got so close to me, then I wouldn't have been able to slap his precious car. The Alan Partridge wannabe wouldn't get out of his car though - there were plenty of couriers picthing in with their thoughts about him too!!

If the cyclist had dabbed his brakes around the 13 second mark instead of speeding up, the whole incident would never had happened. Sometimes, it's not just about driving according to your rights, it's also about being considerate to other traffic.

It may not have sunk in, but he did at least get heard.

He got heard because he was largely passive and submissive. The Audi driver made a couple of dangerous maneouvres and really he should have been taken to task.
If he drives off then fine but he chose to stop, also endangering the cyclist and then got out of the car. Dangerous game to play when you are a miniature C***

Sometimes, it's not just about driving according to your rights, it's also about being considerate to other traffic.

The Audi driver was very sure of himself and lucky for the cyclist that he had a camera otherwise it would of turned nasty, proper east end geezer out of lock stock I reckon 😀

Sometimes, it's not just about driving according to your rights, it's also about being considerate to other traffic.

I'd have told him in no uncertain terms I would have been banging on his head not his car, TWUNT.

He got heard because he was largely passive and submissive.

So? Whatever works. I'm a big lad but I'll play it submissive if I think it'll get me heard and avoid fisticuffs.
Making someone bleed is unlikely to change any of their opinions.

he should have been taken to task.

He was done. Politely and without violence, in a manner that allows him to reflect on what he did without thinking of it as "defeat".

Sometimes, it's not just about driving according to your rights, it's also about being considerate to other traffic.

Agreed he could have avoided it - but that's not [i]"being considerate"[/i], that's just allowing yourself to be bullied out the way.

Making someone bleed is unlikely to change any of their opinions

Thats not the only way and if it was then it may have done. People in cars often become bullies and whilst you mention "defeat" I suspect he will think "victory" unfortunately

Politely and without violence, in a manner that allows him to reflect on what he did without thinking of it as "defeat".

Be careful playing fast and loose with the word "thinking" in reference to motorists

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IMO the driver left with the impression he'd 'won' the argument and that the cyclist would ride in the gutter from now on.

Disgraceful behaviour and I'd have struggled to keep my cool, especially with the blaring horn and forcing the cyclist to stop. That was extremely aggressive.

I suspect he will think "victory" unfortunately

That's fine. Thinking "victory" will make him less defensive and more open to pondering whether the cyclist may have had a point.

Be careful playing fast and loose with the word "thinking" in reference to motorists

I'm a motorist too. Most of us are. No point playing "them and us" games.

I'd have dropped the gobby little scummer on the spot.

+1

Got to agree that whilst the whole thing was precipitated by someone driving like a ****, what happened afterwards was very civilised and is far more likely to result in the driver modifying his behaviour than had the cyclist just hopped the curb and ridden off, or punched him or been punched.

The cyclist must be about 5 foot tall as the camera, which I assume is on his helmet, is looking straight at the driver!

Fair play to the cyclist & probably the driver too for his backing down & being mildly willing to accept some responsibility.
But, what the hell was he doing In the first place. He was clearly trying to bully his way past, took a dislike to having his car slapped & probably decided to get all confrontational without really thinking about it.

What is the offence of touching someone's private property. I'd have argued that the offence of trying to run me off the road probably trumped any (non existing) offence of touching private property.

At least he did back down & they had a semi-discussion about the rights & wrongs of the whole thing...

[i]If the cyclist had dabbed his brakes around the 13 second mark instead of speeding up, the whole incident would never had happened. Sometimes, it's not just about driving according to your rights, it's also about being considerate to other traffic.[/i]

Jeez, it's like you know [i]exactly[/i] what to type to get me wound up.
*leaves thread*

That's fine. Thinking "victory" will make him less defensive and more open to pondering whether the cyclist may have had a point.

I dont think it was his "defensive" behavior that put the cyclist at risk more likely he has had his behavior reinforced and will either continue or be even worse in future.

Well, I've watched the clip again and the Audi driver quite clearly crossed the solid white line and entered (albeit partially) the bus lane in the initial move that was the cause of the fuss.

Regardless of anything else, that plainly puts the audi driver at fault doesn't it? The cyclist had no obligation to move over being permitted to be in the bus lane. Consideration or not on the part of the cyclist is irrelevant, in my view

probably decided to get all confrontational without really thinking about it

Since when is road rage ever a carefully thought out response?

It just proves once again that half the drivers on the road are of less than average intelligence.

And Audi drivers think they can share bus/cycle lanes.

I had a similar with a driver of a small bus this morning in Morden, swerving into the clearly marked cycle lane just opposite the Amadhiya Mosque.

I banged on the side of his vehicle and when it stopped, I squeezed through the narrow gap between it and the kerb and carried on.

Further on, when I had stopped to put on my smog mask in preparation for Boris's CS7 through south London, he pulled up alongside me and opened the bus door.

"If you want to take my name, it's difficult driving with people overtaking, I have to swerve and..."

At that point, I employed a phrase that I reserve for these situations:

"I'm not interested. Go away."

It's so much more time efficient than getting involved in stupid conversations when you're busy trying to get somewhere..

I dont think it was his "defensive" behavior that put the cyclist at risk more likely he has had his behavior reinforced and will either continue or be even worse in future.

I think the exact opposite.

Having a relatively polite, non-aggressive discussion about it, and allowing the driver to go away without feeling overwhelmingly angry and defensive means he is far more likely to think about it rationally later when he has a clear head or when he faces a similar situation.

Smacking him in the face or shouting him down would do absolutely nothing to change his attitude, just reinforce his resentment of cyclists and probably make him more aggressive towards them in the future.

Think about how you would react to someone physically assaulting you. Would you later reflect on the possible truth of the argument they shouted at you while punching you in the face?

Have a read of this: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=1215166&mid=0&nmt=Cyclist+falls+near%28edit%3Bonto%29+vehicle%2Eit+%26+mobile+impounded+

and the Police report/request:

http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/index.aspx?articleid=9736

Since when is road rage ever a carefully thought out response?

I called a woman a "f*c*i*g c*nt" once when she pulled out on me from a side street. Her face was priceless and her argument was the fact that I wasn't indicating. Bearing in mind I was going straight on, I struggled to see how my lack of indicating gave her permission to pull straight out in front of me"

I don't think the driver was being reasonable to begin with after he got out the car, you don't get out the car and get right in someones face after that kind of incident. You keep some distance, I'd have felt threatened by him coming so close and may have done something about that.

I struggle with long sentences but although I never ride on the road the motorist-forces-cyclist-into-kerb theme seems to occur quite often here on STW

Wouldn't it be easier to simply bunny hop onto the pavement to avoid getting squeezed?

It's a brave motorist who pursues a cyclist along the pavement.

Feel free to flame my naive suggestion

[quote=slowoldgit ]It just proves once again that half the [s]drivers[/s] cyclists on the road are of less than average intelligence.
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We have reached a new low when even a cyclist being forced off the road is seen as 50:50 at best 🙄

My most recent altercation with a motorist was after he'd forced his way around me at a mini roundabout infront of another car on the roundabout, to arrive at some clearly red lights about 20 yards away a few seconds before me.

He chastised me for not indicating. But I was going straight on.

Police should get involved, he nearly knocked the cyclist off
Car driver just needs to grow up and recognise cyclists are legally in the road, and recommended to take primary position

Car driver just needs to grow up and recognise cyclists are legally in the road, and recommended to take primary position

Car driver just needs to grow up and recognise cyclists are legally in the road,

Car driver just needs to grow up and recognise cyclists are legally in the bus lane, unlike him.

rocketman - Member

I struggle with long sentences but although I never ride on the road the motorist-forces-cyclist-into-kerb theme seems to occur quite often here on STW

Wouldn't it be easier to simply bunny hop onto the pavement to avoid getting squeezed?

It's a brave motorist who pursues a cyclist along the pavement.

Feel free to flame my naive suggestion

In reality he'll follow you along on the road. Unless you can go somewhere he can't then he may be there for a while.

Of course one could giv it a go. Combined with opening his NS rr door any time he stops 😎 should wind him up

Well done for not resolving it quietly.
Him getting out the car like that would've suggested he wanted me to break his nose...

It's a brave motorist who pursues a cyclist along the pavement.

Its happened before... Cyclist knocked drivers wing-mirror, driver mounts kerb and kills him, then washes his car down and books it in for repairs to cover up the evidence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7646957/Driver-killed-cyclist-in-revenge-attack.html

If the cyclist had dabbed his brakes around the 13 second mark instead of speeding up, the whole incident would never had happened. Sometimes, it's not just about driving according to your rights, it's also about being considerate to other traffic.

obvious troll is obvious

why is the cyclist so far out from the kerb? ie far right of the left hand lane?

you missed mrsmith THAT ^^^^ was obvious troll

Wouldn't it be easier to simply bunny hop onto the pavement to avoid getting squeezed?

Not always that easy to bunnyhop sideways up a kerb - especially at speed on a road bike. Not everyone is a trials god.

why is the cyclist so far out from the kerb? ie far right of the left hand lane?

Perhaps taking the primary, as recommended in basic cycle training?

If the cyclist had dabbed his brakes around the 13 second mark instead of speeding up, the whole incident would never had happened. Sometimes, it's not just about driving according to your rights, it's also about being considerate to other traffic.

yes...but...

If the car driver had been treating the cyclist as another vehicle on the road rather than a 2nd class user to bully out of the way then he never would have even attempted that.

would he have done that if it was a car? bus? van? milk float? no, he only did it because it was a cyclist and that's the whole point of incidents like this, highlighting that cyclists have to ride like that because some motorists behave like that.

And they behaviour of the driver with the horn and running the cyclist off the road afterwards is totally inexcusable.

I've banged on someones car like that when they pulled a similar manoeuvre on me once, he also got shirty at me for 'touching' his car but when I pointed out that had I not had my wits about me and managed to swerve it would have been my nice hard, pointy bar end making contact with his car instead of my relatively soft hand he kind of got the point.

[quote=timc ]why is the cyclist so far out from the kerb? ie far right of the left hand lane?
That's a good place to position yourself to "defend" your bit of the road as you approach a narrowing. It's a bit further out than I normally ride but I'll take up that position when necessary.

I usually choose not to race an overtaking vehicle to the pinch point though. That would be just stupid.

You new round here timc?

I think I might have braked as druid suggests (for my own safety), though there would have been some impotent fist-shaking.

If the car driver had been treating the cyclist as another vehicle on the road rather than a 2nd class user to bully out of the way then he never would have even attempted that.

He might have. My experience is that an idiot driver is just that, an idiot driver.

I really doubt it, any other vehicle and that would have been a collision.

he even acknowledged in the video that he knew he was there, and carried on anyway, that's not stupidity or idiocy, that's bullying.

It's not a them (car drivers) against us (cyclists) argument. It's more a question of a selfish twunt being let loose in public and wreaking havoc.

He may be a selfish twunt, but just walking down the street he isn't as much of a danger as when in charge of a moving vehicle.

The 'them' isn't 'car drivers' in general, it's 'people that drive cars like that', and unfortunately there are too many of them.

Not always that easy to bunnyhop sideways up a kerb - especially at speed on a road bike. Not everyone is a trials god

I really doubt it, any other vehicle and that would have been a collision.

Agreed - but perhaps it would be a useful skill to have in the event of a situation like this

"If the car driver had been treating the cyclist as another vehicle on the road rather than a 2nd class user to bully out of the way then he never would have even attempted that.

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Do you ever drive a car yourself, like regularly? Cars 'bully' other cars all the time!

Do you ever drive a car yourself, like regularly? Cars 'bully' other cars all the time!

Drive a Citroen C1- you get a certain class of male driver who thinks he can bully you...until he pulls alongside.

Do you ever drive a car yourself, like regularly?

Yep, very regularly.

Cars 'bully' other cars all the time!

Doesn't make it right though does it? And the difference with a cyclist is that 'bullying' is a LOT more likely to cause injury