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The genuine (and totally predictable) economic damage has already really started. And still the fudge and cloud-cuckoo-land cake-it-and-eat-it nonsense continues.
May seemingly has only one priority.... to stop the Tory party self-destructing.
And everything else is a mere afterthought.
People are going to look back on the ruins of this country's economy in years to come in total disbelief at the sheer incompetence of it. A government in total paralysis while trundling towards economic armageddon, and a completely useless opposition quite happy to let them get on with it.
and just in case UKIP or the Loony Right of the Tory party isn't racist enough for you
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43301773
<p class="story-body__introduction">The ousted former leader of the UK Independence Party, Henry Bolton, says he is setting up a new political party.</p>
Mr Bolton, who was voted out last month at a meeting of UKIP members, said his new party would "campaign unceasingly for our full independence from the EU".He said "there is an urgent need for a new way of doing politics that truly involves communities".
I just struggle with the 1 in the O of One not being quite centred. Did they create that logo in Excel?
Monsters.
Thats precisely what I thought Leku. I can't even look at it without twitching. It truly is a crime against typography. They should have just gone the whole hog and done it in Comic Sans. It would have been appropriate
I guess he will have got it done in time to get the tax deduction this year...
and the other one nation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson%27s_One_Nation
I guess he will have got it done in time to get the tax deduction this year…
What tax deduction?
ah out of touch on UK tax rules... thought he could claim something out of it
Looks like nice Mr Farage has come out in support of Trumps tariff plan even though it'll help screw the UKs steel industry some more.
Nice to see who he really supports.
In case anyone missed this, who actually thinks a UK government can acutally deliver any form of controlled border that Brexit needs?
intersting article, neglects to point out the Maybot was Home Sec when the disastrous e-borders scheme was attempted, so presumably she kbows its an impossibility to get working for Brexit.
I reckon the govs solution will be to just let everyone be a 'trusted trader' & try & ignore the explosion in tax dodging & smuggling
It is amusing watching all these oldies shout about 'technological solutions' without a clue what it might entail!
I used to play Elite as a kid, so am wondering - what should I be ferrying from ROI and vice versa through the fantasy trust-based border to make the biggest profit post-Brexit? (Excluding narcotics, slaves and guns, Elite fans)
Water to London?
Might be a good source of straight bananas in the future and other EU delicacies.
So we will all be singing the star spangled banner soon. How does subservience to the US equate to TBC. Not only will we be a rule taker but we will be taking them somewhere the sun doesn't shine, hard, without the benefit of any lubricating agent.
To quote the man:
“Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off--then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship.”
As I get seasick some **** brexiteer is going to get their *** hat knocked off shortly.
Interesting article by Nick Cohen in The Observer on Sunday (page 54). He offers a plausible explanation as to why the Tory right are apparently ignoring reality when it comes to Brexit.
why the Tory right are apparently ignoring reality when it comes to Brexit.
Because they are ****s?
Got a link or is it nsfw?
Maybe this one? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/06/britain-eu-motives-brexit
Its a simple lack of understanding and living in an echo chamber from many I think - plus those who want a deregulated economy
On the basis that article isn't by Nick Cohen, it is safe to assume it isn't.
@mike noted you are now in Manchester
@aracer the Labour party fought the 2017 GE on no freedom of movement, no single market and no customs union. I imagine some the left leaning / remain papers mentioned it. The first two they put in the manifesto the last one the shadow minister confirmed it in an interview.
Northern Rock was bust. It was taken over by the government to stop people losing their money, businesses their loans/overdrafts and staff being out of a job all pretty much overnight.
Interesting comment from Newsnight panel discussion (available on youtube) that now leaving the single market and customs union isn’t “hard brexit” for remainers. Shows they have come to terms with reality, now “hard brexit” means WTO.
WTO Brexit is the simplest and cleanest form, certainly needs time to prepare but we do 60% of our trade outside the EU (IMO real number is higher for RoW and lower for EU, Rotterdamn effect and trade diversion caused by EU protectionism = higher prices paid by uk consumers). As I posted before we have a £30 trade surplus in services with the EU and £60bn with the rest of the world.
Why do we need the WTO? If it puts up prices in UK shops why not just ignore it?
but we do 60% of our trade outside the EU
Surely that's under the terms of EU trade agreements, which we won't have post-Brexit...?
Haven't we just cancelled all our trade agreements?
@zippy standards, trade dispute resolution etc
@moly yes that does include trade with South Korea etc which is subject to EU negotiated agreements but those will be “photocopied”. Our largest trade counterpary is the US (ignoring EU as being one country). Interesting stat from Ozzy diplomat - we used to do 7% of their trade now its 2% as stuff was diverted to EU. Australia is looking forward to getting that trade back. As I said every new trade deal means less business for the EU in the future.
Yup.
Aviation knackered, raw materials import costs up, financial industry knackered.
No word on how our families living in on the continent will be affected.
I wonder how the knackered UK social care system and lack of affordable housing will cope with the redundancies and knock on health issues.
Don't get ill or lose your jobs peeps, it's all worth it for a different colour passport.
"Rotterdamn effect"
Are you still trotting out this tired old lie???
"ignoring EU as being one country"
How convenient....
To be fair jamby, El Presidente Trump has already offered us a crippling aviation deal.
A sign of things to come from our special relationship with the USA.
The vultures are circling over the carcass of the UK's exposed underbelly, make no mistake.
Jamb, why can we not sort out our own standards and disputes?We will be arranging our own trade deals,it’s not like we’ve never done it before. If we enter into a trade agreement with someone and they don’t like what we do surely they can just take their money elsewhere.
How dare a foreign organisation march into this country and tell me to put my prices up by 30%. We are showing the EU that we are prepared to sacrifice everything for freedom only to enslave ourselves to the despotic WTO.
"photocopied"
Which country has said that they won't be seeking additional concessions from us when we seek to replace trade deals? When will these new trade deals be ready? Do we leave the EU in a little over 12 months time?
WTO Brexit is the simplest and cleanest form, certainly needs time to prepare
How long will preparations take? Do we leave the EU in a little over 12 months time?
And it’s fairly apparent that along with the rest of Theresa’s pie-in-the-sky book of dreams, there’s not going to be a ‘transitional period’ either.
12 months to take off....
no single market and no customs union
When does the switch over from CHIEF to CDS complete to support trading with EU&EEA countries as an outside country? Do we leave the EU in a little over 12 months time?
Also David Davies today, I'm paraphrasing..
"There's about 11 big issues that we can't agree on, but I can't remember what any of them are"
We could literally replace our government with a cold, 2 day old lasegna and get more coherent ideas.
@moly yes that does include trade with South Korea etc which is subject to EU negotiated agreements but those will be “photocopied”
But the other country has to agree to that! We're weaker and smaller than the EU, and they know we need the trade deals asap, so they'll want to extract more concessions from us. They can simply shop elsewhere in the meantime.
Naive in the extreme to think that will all go swimmingly, IMO.
@aracer the Labour party fought the 2017 GE on no freedom of movement, no single market and no customs union. I imagine some the left leaning / remain papers mentioned it. The first two they put in the manifesto the last one the shadow minister confirmed it in an interview.
May has campaigned on the platform of a fairer and more united Britain, the presumed end goals of which she appears to be travelling further away from on a daily basis. I wouldn't put too much faith in any political commitment or manifesto promise from any party until it's actually in law.
Northern Rock was bust. It was taken over by the government to stop people losing their money, businesses their loans/overdrafts and staff being out of a job all pretty much overnight.
Free market: suck it up, sunshine. Either the government can re-nationalise industries or it can't. What it definitely should not be doing is corporatising the profits whilst nationalising the risks.
WTO Brexit is the simplest and cleanest form
Well, except for all the agreements and regulations that would need to be re-written and agreed, including air travel, standards, nuclear industry regulation, NI, etc. Really, WTO Brexit is about as messy a Brexit as it can be.
but we do 60% of our trade outside the EU
So we do 40% with the EU, just less than half. And you willingly wish to put that in jeopardy? Seems like one hell of a risk.
higher prices paid by uk consumers
Please explain how paying WTO tariffs on imports will reduce prices for British consumers. I'll wait.
@zippy standards, trade dispute resolution etc
But why do we need these aspects? Surely they're just anti-democratic supranational entities telling a sovereign nation what it can and can't do?
Folks quoting “we do 60% of our trade outside the EU” may not be correct.
The confusion arises as I recall around the difference between exports and trade.
Again as I recall, at the last count 49% of our foreign trade is with the EU and countries via EU trade agreements takes it to 60%.
I may of course be entirely wrong - but I suspect not.
Jamba - for what it’s worth, while I think you are coming across as a little inexperienced and naive, I would say you are also coming across as idealistic and fairly clear on your principles.
Now I don’t think your principles will work in the real world, but good on you for having them and being willing to share them.
Totally agree with you zokes, maybe we are now just hoping the government has set itself up to fail on purpose and back down slowly.
"Look for your friends. But do not trust to hope. It has forsaken these lands."
Naive in the extreme to think that will all go swimmingly, IMO.
Are you some kind of enemy of the people. Jamba has explained everything will just be run through the photocopy and then EU tippexed out and replace with UK. Its only one character difference so should be easy enough.
[i]jambalaya wrote:[/i]
@aracer<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;"> the Labour party fought the 2017 GE on no freedom of movement, no single market and no customs union. I imagine some the left leaning / remain papers mentioned it. The first two they put in the manifesto the last one the shadow minister confirmed it in an interview.</span>
Exactly what has that got to do with anything I wrote?
I think this is the Nick Cohen article mentioned:
More good news about WTO Brexit. Not good news for farming.
https://twitter.com/iandunt/status/970952828679344129?s=21
Brexshit
Making everyone's holidays a bit shitter since 2019
https://news.sky.com/story/roaming-charges-may-be-back-after-brexit-11279406
Is there no way we can just apply the e tea charges to leave voters?
Or at least rename it Brexit roaming fee
How is the George Soros money being spent?
I was hoping for adverts on telly and billboards spelling out what a disaster it is.
I get emails and pop ups on Facebook but nothing in public.
Is there a mega ad campaign planned?
He's spending it with the Russians on having Boris Johnson, Rees-Mogg and IDS meet with unfortunate accidents.
One can but hope...