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I am defo getting one of those mugs!
We might see some actual positive change when people stop believing everything they read of the front page of the gutter press and redirect their ire at the people in Westminster who are actually responsible for all their ills.
If the last 50 years has taught us anything it’s that the blame game/scapegoating rolls on no matter what. It’s a human foible that is far too profitable for scumbags not to exploit. Populism is just heating up. When the social and economic privation **really** cuts in then the scapegoating shall of course rise to meet it.
Remember when Britain was seen as cool to much of the outside world? That merchandise is such a deliberate closing of that book.
A brexit bonus?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-immigration-system-what-you-need-to-know
There will be no change to the rights and status of EU citizens currently living in the UK until 30 June 2021.
... and then what?
Just seen that none of that ‘got Brexit done’ merch is being sent out in time for the great Brexit Day. Just perfect.
There is one major benefit: Nigel Farage, Ann Widdecombe, Annunwhats-er-face Rees-Mogg and the rest of the scumbag Brexit MEPs are all out of a job.
I hate to piss on your cornflakes, but it looks like they'll still be at the trough...
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit/brexit-party-nigel-farage-payout-eu-uk-brexit-1362754
Having served as an MEP since 1999, Mr Farage would be eligible to a maximum of €179,000 (£152,000) before tax.
He will also qualify for a pension worth 70 per cent of his MEP salary, the highest permitted under EU rules.
At the trough, and no doubt on your TV & radio, for quite some time to come… unlike any ex or soon to be ex MEPs who actually did their job for us.
Daffy nailed it....
I have had the same chucked at me, "your alright" with your big house and business!
So my response is normally along the lines of " well if you weren't a ****less lazy **** you could have that""sorry i apologise someone should have just given it to you"
I think Daffy has actually raised the best Brexit observation to date.
I am defo getting one of those mugs!
£15?
Be interesting to see where all the 'merch' is made...
Be interesting to see where all the ‘merch’ is made…
That is an astonishingly good question.
Please let it be France!
Some (but not all) have the description "PROUDLY printed in the UK", make of that what you will.
I think Daffy has actually raised the best Brexit observation to date.
Well, petty jealousy was certainly ‘up there’ as an underlying cause.
I thought the merch was a spoof, surely it is?
Naff UK.
I want my country back.
That Irish post article is bang on
That Irish Post article really struck a chord. The themes are almost exactly the same ones discussed with friends this evening. Another topic of conversation was the referendum(s) in Novelle-Calédonie and its fate if ever it cuts ties with France, because other islands that have done so have suffered economic collapse and or become puppet states of Australia.
I thought the merch was a spoof, surely it is?
No. It's on the Tory website.
On top of that .... My favourite bit is "Proudly printed in the UK."
Which rounds up nicely the unfettered bogosity of everything going on here.
Maybe the Tories are banking all the success from a tea-towel to be main opportunity of Brexit?
Carry-on Brexit.
**** me - there are lapel badges too!
**** me – there are lapel badges too!
They've really nailed their target audience with that one haven't they, just shows how in-tune they are with their voters.
Mind you, at least they could sell four to Jacob Rees-Mogg...
Curses.
Met Office only has Westminster as 'overcast' on Friday evening rather that 'bible-level inundation'.
Still, forecasts can change. Fingers crossed.
Now, where is my raindance mask and outfit?
Daffy, was that your family’s thoughts going into the referendum or is it the stance they’ve taken subsequently?
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A brexit bonus?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-immigration-system-what-you-need-to-know
There will be no change to the rights and status of EU citizens currently living in the UK until 30 June 2021.
… and then what?
Well, considering the Home Office say they "hope" the new system will be in place by 2023, I guess they're all going to be thrown into some sort of void in space and time.
When I received the letter confirming I had been granting the right to stay, I did notice it basically said Until we change our mind.
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Daffy, was that your family’s thoughts going into the referendum or is it the stance they’ve taken subsequently?
Afterwards. They’ve always been pro-brexit, but it’s been a gradual shift from migrants>remainers>well, me I suppose...
To be honest Daffy, I regret having asked. That is a terrible situation. You have my complete sympathy. What a situation the country to get into. I hope to hell it doesn’t turn out to be the disaster I imagine.
this is possibly an odd post. I’ve been following this thread since the beginning. I’m British, no longer resident, voted to remain. Won’t be going back to live in the uk. What I’m trying to say is, I hope all of you guys and girls get through this with the minimum of hurt that you can.
So, the US trade deal that had been mooted at, is this likely to go ahead with the 5G plans being made with Huawei, or have the loons shot themselves in the foot?
Remember when Britain was seen as cool to much of the outside world? That merchandise is such a deliberate closing of that book.
I'm going to have a news blackout on Friday and over the weekend, in anticipation of wincing in toe-curling embarrassment at the cringe-inducing antics of the Brexiteers with their flag-waving, petty, backward-gazing nationalism
'Cool Brittania' is officially a lifetime ago and its rotting corpse is spinning in its grave
this bit from the Irish Post article
And yet I remember visiting London in the summer of 2012, for a very Irish evening, and thinking, the Olympics going on around us, that England had truly become a great, culturally rich, gloriously mixed, forward looking country.
That's been in my thoughts a lot over the last few months. Thinking back to 2012 and the optimism and excitement around the Olympics. The whole place seemed to be happy and united. Fast forward to 2020 and it's quite staggering how broken we are as a union.
Therefore, in their minds, he’s a ****, and they voted for Brexit to try to get even with him for making a go of his life.
I doubt that was the case, I'm sure they were brexit supporters irrespective of Daffy. More likely the comments made were an angry reaction to what they felt was Daffy's patronising lectures about the negatives of the choice they were making.
People can be sensitive, you say something they believe in is stupid it's hard to not to also imply that they are stupid as well (even if they are) hence the reaction.
More likely the comments made were an angry reaction to what they felt was Daffy’s patronising lectures
Woah - you've got Daffy's place bugged? Do you work for Huawei? 😉
Or in other words, how do you know what went on between Daffy and his family to generate those comments?
Or in other words, how do you know what went on between Daffy and his family to generate those comments?
I don't, no more than anyone who comments on anything their not directly involved with. But if someone posts something on an open forum it invites discussion. Isn't that the whole point of this place ??
I don’t, no more than anyone who comments on anything their not directly involved with. But if someone posts something on an open forum it invites discussion. Isn’t that the whole point of this place ??
It’s a fair point, but I don’t. I’m not active on social media, have never belittled their reasons for leaving, have never lectured. I’ve engaged in discussion, have pointed out where things weren’t true, but have never lectured. Some reasons for leaving were valid, if a little myopic. One family members was that they don’t want to be forced into a unified, European armed forces - fair enough. Another was that Europe is a mess - also fair, but another was that he wanted to see what our government would do when they no longer had Europe to blame for their woes...that’s not a great reason for flushing your economy down the toilet. I mentioned this, but they highlighted future trade deals, etc, which I also don’t really agree with, so left it there.
It doesn’t make me angry, not at all, just a little sad.
it invites discussion
Or in your case, passive aggressive speculation
I dunno, taxi25 said 'it's more likely' which is astute, he wasn't speculating as to the actual people involved.
Therefore, in their minds, he’s a ****, and they voted for Brexit to try to get even with him for making a go of his life.
Doesn't surprise me, we spent 240 hours of parliamentary time debating the hunting ban because **** posh people and only 18 hours debating whether we should be one of the four horseman heralding the apocalypse for the people of Iraq.
The working classes see politics as a never-ending confiscation of England from its rightful patriotic owners (themselves) by a class of privileged usurpers. Normans against Saxons, Anglicans against Puritans, Cavaliers against Roundheads, Factory owners against the industrial working class.
They are however, quite happy to then extend that confiscation, to people (brown) who they see as lower class than themselves - and resent seeing those same people gain economic privileges that they can only dream of. This is plainly evidence when you see them being interviewed on tv - harping on about how great we once were and that we once conquered half the known world in some dimly lit bingo hall in Hull.
The latter is the only reason I can think of in terms of why they fell over themselves to vote for one of the finest examples of Etonian stereotypes in politics. He might be one of them poshos, but at least his racism makes us feel like we're a few rungs above the next guy.
The weather forecast for Westminster on Friday evening has taken a turn for the worse. Fingers crossed.
Yes I am being petty but my country is about to indulge in an unnecessary bout of self harm because of their pettiness, so wishing a bit of wet weather for their sad little 'party' doesn't seem too bad.
I hoping lead by donkeys will have a ploy up their sleeves ready for Friday evening 😉
I hoping led by donkeys will have a ploy up their sleeves ready for Friday evening
They have been quiet recently
They are however, quite happy to then extend that confiscation, to people (brown) who they see as lower class than themselves – and resent seeing those same people gain economic privileges that they can only dream of. This is plainly evidence when you see them being interviewed on tv – harping on about how great we once were and that we once conquered half the known world in some dimly lit bingo hall in Hull.
This absolutely. Being good at winning wars and conquering other countries has done us no good. I say us, I don't even regard myself as british/english, and I don't identify with whatever jingoistic bandwagon is passing by, whether it be the insular knuckledragging one popular today, or the vomit inducing self-congratulatory 'cool britannia' bollox of yesteryear. The problem is not which nation state or political structure we live within, but the very existence of them in the first place. Until people get that then none of this will ever change.
Just heard a Brexit positive. Waiting for a train and heard a guy inform his mate that when we leave you’ll be able to come back from holiday with as many fags as you want.
Oh and “we did OK before we joined, we’ll be fine when we leave”.
One family members was that they don’t want to be forced into a unified, European armed forces – fair enough.
Aside from the small fact that this isn't happening,
I've said this before but, if the EU was planning to assemble a dirty great big army right on our doorstep, are we not better being a part of it rather than risk having it against us? Or being able to veto it if we don't like the idea? If they don't want an EU army that's surely a compelling reason to remain.
“we did OK before we joined, we’ll be fine when we leave”.
This is just braindead.
Again, aside from the fact that it's not true - we were known as "the sick man of Europe" - it ignores the fact that we've spent the last 40 years integrating with the EU and palming off administration and negotiations so that we don't have to. All the trade agreements we had 40 years ago have long since lapsed, replaced with (better) deals via the EU. When we leave we don't go back to exactly how it was before we joined, we go back to having nothing.
They have been quiet recently
Wise. If they have any funds left, they should keep them for whenever the government next backtracks on its words and promises… that isn’t this month.
In breaking news, the Scottish parliament is trying to outdo Nero's fiddling while Rome burnt.
Right now they are having a debate on keeping the EU flag flying over the parliament after Brexit.
Apparently it's a "fiery debate".
(A sentiment I agree with, but there's more important things to do surely)
Ah, now there's a debate on another referendum.
Daffy
One family members was that they don’t want to be forced into a unified, European armed forces – fair enough.
Except it isn't ... it's just part of a narrative twisting facts.
It starts off by saying "we lost our veto" ... (which is totally inaccurate.. some very mundane stuff no longer requires uninamity but nothing even approaching defense or a unified armed forces)
Then like any organisation there are some extremists... misqote or even quote ... it's not going to happen in any forseeable future and if it did we could veto it and no different from NATO or being pushed into something by the US (again).
Waiting for a train and heard a guy inform his mate that when we leave you’ll be able to come back from holiday with as many fags as you want.
And alcohol. Don't forget the alcohol. We'll soon need copious amounts of it to blur out the reality of what we are walking into.
Random thought.
I wonder if the Scottish govt has an arrangement with the EU for a independence referendum being part of the Brexit conditions the EU imposes on the UK.
(Probably wishful thinking on my part)
Waiting for a train and heard a guy inform his mate that when we leave you’ll be able to come back from holiday with as many fags as you want.
And alcohol. Don’t forget the alcohol. We’ll soon need copious amounts of it to blur out the reality of what we are walking into.
Except that, post brexit, you'll be able to bring back far less than you can now. For stuff from the EU on which the local taxes have been paid there is effectively no limit today, as long as it doesn't look like you're intending to resell them. So for the bloke who said 'as many fags as you like', the reality is that you can bring in one from the following:
200 cigarettes
100 cigarillos
50 cigars
250g tobacco
Its started already.
The absolutely cringeworthy triumphalist behaviour of the Little Englanders. The man-frog is busy gobbing off in the EU parliament in the most toe-curlingly mortifying way imaginable, while the Brexit party imbeciles around him all wave their union jacks.
Thats what we look like as a nation. That.
Christ, could it be any more embarrassing?
The man-frog is busy gobbing off in the EU parliament in the most toe-curlingly mortifying way imaginable,
Even in victory, he's an unsufferable arsehole
The man-frog is busy gobbing off in the EU parliament in the most toe-curlingly mortifying way imaginable,
I was unfortunate enough to catch that on the news that was on the TV in our office reception as I left work this afternoon. I could never ever get tired of punching that man. and Ann Widdecombe is a thoroughly dreadful person in every possible way. The untold damage that a small handful of thick entitled bigoted ****ers has managed to cause this country...
The EU will be glad to see the back of them. I only hope the EU know that Farage and co do not speak for half the country.
Is this thread going to be closed on Friday? It would be a fitting celebration.
No, for reasons I've previously explained.
I've half a mind to rename it to something more appropriate, though.
Farage in gobshite shocker!
What an embarrassment.
I heard it earlier and was disgusted by his triumphalist attitude.
He will be financially well insulated by his EU pension and media commitments.
The same cannot be said about many Brexiters who believed his rhetoric that there would be a better future waiting for them.
I'm in Lincoln and, given the strength of the Brexit vote in the referendum, am expecting the sky to be lit up with fireworks on Friday evening; a good time to avoid the local pubs - good old Nige etc.
A sad day.
Not reported in the UK (english / unionist ) media
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18193703.meps-leave-light-on-scotlands-return-eu/
Not reported
Give ‘em a chance!
Plenty of reporting of what happened earlier though, in both Scottish and Euro parliaments.
I bet you this gets no mention in the mainstream media. It does not fit the narrative
I was just saddened by our Nigels behaviour; true to from so not really shocking.
I suspect you will be proven right TJ.
I’m in Lincoln and, given the strength of the Brexit vote in the referendum, am expecting the sky to be lit up with fireworks on Friday evening; a good time to avoid the local pubs – good old Nige etc.
A sad day.
Just saw this afternoon’s behaviour of frog man Farage and his brexiteer entourage of utter **** wits in the EU parliament on newsnight and i can say I hope their plane home ends up in the Channel.
You never get a better window into a person's soul than how they act in victory.
Except for Nigel Farage that is, we already knew what a total **** he is.
Checks notes, Minogue is Australian isn't it she?
How far we’ve come.
I've just unfriended an otherwise successful person on social media as they too run a pub, and are doing a trite brexit celebration.
Pfft. I used to have about 300 friends on Facebook and now I'm down to about 150 after disowning the nationalists and racists in the last few years.
Weird how the maths has worked out, almost 50/50
Bob - who are the Beetles? New one to me.
Mattyfez - Kylie is from the colonies so she's technically British except when she's not.
Let's hope it pisses down on Farage's tawdry do on Friday night; Widdecombe on karaoke doing 'white cliffs of dover' - shudders. I'm praying that Field Marshall Francois gets lamped.
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No, for reasons I’ve previously explained.I’ve half a mind to rename it to something more appropriate, though.
"After Brexit and beyond"?
Bob - another question; is that a Pravha pump on the bar?
British beer at it's best.
Widdecombe reminds me of some ghostly apperition, a grey flabby spectre that you have to dispose of in the the training stages of a computer game.
Poopscoop - To infinity and beyond.....another flight of fancy and fantasy.
Matty - Widdecombe is one of the undead; cannot be killed and appearing on a stage near you.
If you're tempted - here's the link... https://www.ents24.com/uk/tour-dates/ann-widdecombe
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Poopscoop – To infinity and beyond…..another flight of fancy and fantasy.
Ha ha, yeah, that would be very apt.
An alternative viewpoint on frogman Farage
https://mobile.twitter.com/janeygodley/status/1222612060284112898
Pfft. I used to have about 300 friends on Facebook and now I’m down to about 150 after disowning the nationalists and racists in the last few years.
I've done OK. But I exercised quality control in the first place, think I have like three quislings tops on my 'friends' list.
Why would any respectable media outlet report the made up fantasies from The National, speaking of cringeworthy. I love them for their optimism and narrow view, but they are propaganda press.