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The vision of Quasimodo(Mark Francois) swinging from the hands of big ben whilst flinging £500,000 in tenners to the adoring crown below as the bell is struck on the eve of the 31st must keep them all going.
Stop focusing on the past, I mean, who ever mentioned trade deals in the context of Brexit anyway?
So… Foxy wants to focus on the stuff the government and exporters can do, whether we are in the EU or not… to move the debate away from pros/cons of Brexit as regards exporting… now that Brexit can’t be avoided… I can’t imagine why.
Shackleton
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I thought that all brexit supporting parties got <50% combined?
Yep, but first past the post so that doesn't count.
How the hell does Fox even manage to dress himself in the morning?
The vision of Quasimodo(Mark Francois) swinging from the hands of big ben whilst flinging £500,000 in tenners to the adoring crown below as the bell is struck on the eve of the 31st must keep them all going.
Tbh they need a bell for it so a Brexit plus is we’ve got plenty of Brexit bell-ends in parliament.
I do think we need to create a singletrack brexit swingometer to actually track how well Brexit is doing for us joe publics.
Not sure how we quantify the values but I’d like to see a simple indicator of whether it’s improving our lives or not.
I don't need a swingometer to know we are feeling the pinch, pretty much everything is going up quicker than wages, especially in the last ~12 months. It feels like ~2008 again, except this time, money is getting too tight to mention and now we are both working part time rather than just me.
According to Business Insider this is more than we paid to the EU over the last 40 years.
It also doesnt seem to include the money actually spent on the various deal - no deal planning etc.
They have a 4 year window to demo the benefit of a sun lit uplands.
I'm looking forward to watching them try, fail and then squirm out of it blaming everyone else but them selves. Any half decent opposition should be able to wipe the floor with the Tory over lords.
just need to find a half decent opposition now :-/
They have a 4 year window to demo the benefit of a sun lit uplands.
Are they actually even now saying we’re having sun lit uplands?
They have a 4 year window to demo the benefit of a sun lit uplands.
nah theyll just tell every one its great and because the Sun/ Daily Mail/Telegraph says so they will believe it
Any news on the Big Ben bongs?
Apparently, well... according to diminutive dimwit Mark Francois, its the most important issue presently facing the UK
Toyota has chosen France for it's next European investments (a hybrid plant) according to TF1 a few seconds ago. 400 new jobs.
Any half decent opposition should be able to wipe the floor with the Tory over lords.
What you're forgetting is that lots of people WANT to believe the Brexit fantasy. People saying 'a good opposition should wipe the floor with the Tories' is assuming that people will listen to rational arguments. They don't.
And Astrazenica (British-Swedish consortium) opens it's new Dunkirk plant plant. The decisions were made in 2016, obviously a coincidence (not). How's that for Dunkirk spirit ! Negotiating that financial passport is going to be the easiest deal in history... .
https://pharmaboardroom.com/articles/astrazenecas-eur-135-million-investment-in-france/
That's an old article, according to the news they're investing again.
molgrips
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What you’re forgetting is that lots of people WANT to believe the Brexit fantasy
Very well reminded
The 66% Leave voting area of Sittingbourne has just taken back control.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/up-to-300-jobs-at-risk-as-factory-closes-220084/
Found a similar article linked somewhere else - just sort of scrolled past it - about Vauxhall being very concerned about the future of their Ellesmere Port plant. Can't find it again though.
Any news on the Big Ben bongs?Apparently, well… according to diminutive dimwit Mark Francois, its the most important issue presently facing the UK
Classic distraction techniques, kindly done by The Sun & Daily Wail on behalf of the Government. Make big nationalistic noise over here! Ignore failing businesses over there!
A Twitter thread listing all the Brexit benefits so far...
https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1133306212005687296
One good thing about Brexit - these national embarrassments won't be able to embarrass us here.
https://twitter.com/AlexTaylorNews/status/1217780330800865280
Alex taylor used to have regular slot on Europe 1 in the morning, he disappeared for a while but is back on slightly later and too late for me to hear him regularly. Always worth listening to. He used to play the stereotypical Brit but has become more and more European.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/up-to-300-jobs-at-risk-as-factory-closes-220084/
/blockquote>My Mrs used to work there!
The government says it will use the "significant moment in our history" to "heal divisions, re-unite communities and look forward to the country that we want to build over the next decade."
I'm damned if I'm reuniting with the shallow-minded, xenophobic, work-shy racists that clamoured for the thing in the first place.
Nothing to stop them now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933
We're going to become a hellish place to work.
**** brexit and **** anyone that voted for it
Direct quote from the Guardian:
“There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union – and we will do this by the end of the year,” Javid said.
“We’re ... talking about companies that have known since 2016 that we are leaving the EU.”
The bloke is a complete and utter moron. Businesses have known we were due to leave but not when, how or under what rules! They still don't know now, how can they plan for something that has no definition?
The bald **** must be smoking crack - we’re in the mid-late cycle before the next recession. There’s no ****ing way we will achieve 2.5 percent growth whilst screwing over industry.
"how can they plan for something that has no definition?"
How can anyone vote for something that has no definition? But they did.
How can a government implement something that has no definition? But they will.
Just do it! (As Nike would say)
The chancellor also said he wanted to double the UK's annual economic growth to between 2.7 and 2.8%.
This should be made as publicly visible as possible, so that people remember it when we can see what the reality actually is...
Oh, and as for:
He used Japan's car industry as an example of a manufacturing sector which found success without following EU rules
FFS....
He used Japan’s car industry as an example of a manufacturing sector which found success without following EU rules
I think he’s deliberately conflagurating rules and regulations but to what end I don’t get.
He can tell it to the 3,500 Honda workers in Swindon then who are out on their asses in 2021. I’m sure they’ll be happy to learn of it.
Useful thread on this:
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1218445700922597377?s=21
I quite enjoyed:
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1218469404729663488?s=21
If we do not have alignment with EU regs then we cannot sell into the EU? Financial services are going to be shafted as well.
Can anyone tell about any good news about Brexit? I stopped reading news a year ago because it was depressing me too much and the level of debate was mindbendingly low. In fact, some of the ignorance was staggering. No surprises to see it's going from had to worse.
Hmmm - the Brexit cheerleaders seem to be missing from this thread... I'm sure they'll be along shortly.
A TJ says if you don't follow the rules you simply won't be able to sell your products/services. I'd like to think the chancellor understands this but then again who knows.
On the plus side apparently the cabinet are having a meeting in 'the North' at end of month - I hope they pick Workington 'spoons.
How can anyone vote for something that has no definition? But they did.
No, they voted for it based on lies, fake promises (that are being destroyed on a near-daily basis. See kelvin's Twitter link above) and misinformation.
How can a government implement something that has no definition? But they will.
Even they don't know what they're implementing! They are genuinely making stuff up to fit their ideas on a daily basis, contradicting themselves and saying what they think people want to hear. Every time they are pushed on what the final outcome will be they go all vague and quiet. Brexit is now happening but we as the general public have no idea what shape it will finally take as those in charge have no idea.
If we do not have alignment with EU regs then we cannot sell into the EU? Financial services are going to be shafted as well.
And as a result GB businesses will have to produce two versions of their product, one for GB and one for EU export markets.
...and then of course the double-whammy is that that will put more emphasis and pressure on border checks to make sure GB trucks aren’t shipping non-compliant products.
#kinidiots
How can anyone vote for something that has no definition? But they did.
And you ask any of them and you'll be told "we knew what we were voting for." Maybe one of them could let Boris know, that might help clear things up.
Interesting and succinct little piece by the man now dismissing regulatory alignment with the rest of Europe (remember, the current “project” is much bigger than just the EU member countries)…
as those in charge have no idea.
They know exactly what they want and how its going to turn out. Deregulated sweatshop economy with more hoarding of riches for the rich. It matters nothing to them what actually happens overall to the economy so long as they retain more wealth and power. ie 5% reduction in GDP is irrelevant if they have 10% more share of the wealth.
Agree with TJ, many of the current crop of ministers know exactly how they want this to pan out… read what they have written in the past… it’s just that it’s diametrically opposite to how they have won their mandate to “escape” the Single Market and to form the government… and so we will slide towards their end game… as if by accident… rather than them declaring too early that it is what they are after. Workers will be screwed over. The “investors” with the ear of government will do nicely enough, thank you very much.
Oh spekkie..your nom de plume is so apt
Just do it! (As Nike would say)
Interesting and succinct little piece by the man now dismissing regulatory alignment with the rest of Europe (remember, the current “project” is much bigger than just the EU member countries)…
Funny how the ministerial car changes your view on these things 🙂
If our media was any good this would have been smashed into his face.
Funny how it's still on his website.
In today's "you couldn't make it up" news, Brexiter complains that we won't have a say in EU policy post-brexit:
https://twitter.com/june_mummery/status/1219267050574618626
In today’s “you couldn’t make it up” news, Brexiter complains that we won’t have a say in EU policy post-brexit:
Person pushing idiotic policies turns out to be actual idiot shocker.
QED.
Take back control.
"“how can they plan for something that has no definition?”
How can anyone vote for something that has no definition? But they did.
How can a government implement something that has no definition? But they will.
Just do it! (As Nike would say)"
I'm assuming everyone knows that this post was me being sarcastic?
Cougar ^^^ that says much; thick as pig shit and doesn't seem to understand the stupidity of her comment.
But...she's a brexit MEP; that explains her ignorance.
thick as pig shit
she’s a brexit MEP
The correlation is strong with this one.
She will probably end her days trying to use a toaster in the bath and wonder why that went wrong too.
In today’s “you couldn’t make it up” news, Brexiter complains that we won’t have a say in EU policy post-brexit:
You won, get over it!
The same Jane Mummery who's representing fishing & complaining about electro shock fishing & saying it should be banned, when in fact, the EU are banning it from next year.
The same Jane Mummery who’s representing fishing & complaining about electro shock fishing & saying it should be banned, when in fact, the EU are banning it from next year.
It's almost as though she is a total moron and a chancer, isn't it?
And she 'rose' to be an MEP, so we can assume Leavers might regard her as the brains of the operation to a certain extent(?)
And they wonder why sensible folk laugh at them...
Off on a rare visit to my brexit supporting head office nr Mansfield tomorrow, got my copy of Sajid Javids 2016 pro remain interview ready to wave in their faces if any of them dare to gloat 🙄
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence...
Recent data from the British Retail Consortium revealed that retail sales fell for the first time in a quarter of a century last year.
They know exactly what they want and how its going to turn out. Deregulated sweatshop economy with more hoarding of riches for the rich. It matters nothing to them what actually happens overall to the economy so long as they retain more wealth and power. ie 5% reduction in GDP is irrelevant if they have 10% more share of the wealth.
I keep hearing this sort of thing, but I'm not convinced it's true. I've always been a remain/Lib Dem voter, so I don't have a pro-Brexit axe to grind here.
I really don't think that anyone would benefit from the sort of economy you're describing. In fact, I can't even begin to think of any existing developed economy in the world that resembles what you describe; the UK is a high labour cost country - you're not going to change that by leaving the EU and relaxing a few H&S regulations.
A 5% reduction in GDP would be disastrous for any governing party, so let's get back down to earth and some common sense here.
JP
thick as pig shit
Of course it is beside the point that what she said was completely consistent with the Brexit party's position and it makes perfect sense in that context.
Of course it is beside the point that what she said was completely consistent with the Brexit party’s position and it makes perfect sense in that context.
Why was she talking about it in that way, then? Did you read any of her further replies?
It is a stretch to suggest that she is not just as thick as pig shit.
The fact that she is aligned with a political party and policy that is also thick as pig shit is neither here nor there.
It all points in the same direction.
A 5% reduction in GDP would be disastrous for any governing party, so let’s get back down to earth and some common sense here.
A 3-4% reduction is what's forecast (by the Government amongst others).
A 3-4% reduction is what’s forecast (by the Government amongst others).
3% by the ‘others’ was based on Maybot’s less damaging deal than ****face Johnson doing his Poundshop Trump act.
5% minimum if these clowns are left to it, which they will be.
The strategy is fairly simple in respect to the economy its all around transfer of wealth.
Its easy to overheat an ecomomy just chuck money at infrastructure, curtail immigration of skilled people which drives up wages, cut taxes at all levels, keep the housing supply tight, borrow shed loads of cheap money to prop it up for 5 years and get relected.
However in the background a significant amount of this debt is filtered into private businesses in the form of contracts and PFI style agreements for services in the UK. Slash import tariffs make beer and sandwiches cheap as chips. Get the great unwashed out spending their new found wealth... then in around 7 years time that bubble bursts. Just around the same time UK agriculture shifts to gardening and keeping footpaths tidy for their subsidy (dole) cheque.
By the way this has all been done before nowt new above. More of a deindutrialisation you could say
You know it doesn't take much to make people happy...
If they scrap the working time directive and drive minimum wage up to £10 an hour for a 60 hour week then all of a sudden you double your income.
If the Boris/Cummins mantra takes this type of direction which i think it will then Labour have a huge problem.
Of course it is beside the point that what she said was completely consistent with the Brexit party’s position and it makes perfect sense in that context.
If at nigel wasn't such a hypocrite she might have a point
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/09/nigel-farage-fishermen-ignored-ukip-brexit
Besides which even after the transition we have no voice there whatsoever and it turns out fish don't know much about international maritime borders
Besides which even after the transition we have no voice there whatsoever and it turns out fish don’t know much about international maritime borders
Ungrateful, unpatriotic bastards.
It is also worth noting that 1% drop in GDP is £21bn if you use the 2018 GDP number.
Net UK contribution to EU 2018 was £9bn.
Basically if GDP contracts by anything more than 0.4% we will be worse off. 4% is ten times that.
Only a person with shit for brains would think that is a price worth paying. Particularly when Brexit will also hurt us politically.
Makes you wonder what the point really is, doesn’t it...
No, if GDP grows just 0.4% less than it otherwise would have, we are worse off… even if you ignore all the extra costs inherent in Brexit. If GDP actually drops, rather than we have lower growth, we’re in a right mess.
Apologies, in previous instances of using these figures I have made it clear that it is a contraction compared to what it should have been.
You are correct, although given the small overall growth in the ‘should have been’ scenario the figures in £s are pretty damned similar.
We did a pretty good job of destroying the UK fish stocks before joining the EU and got ourselves into a few dicey spots like with Iceland and then to cap it all, the Government of the time facilitated the sale of boat licenses and quotas to non-UK owners and yet we get all dewey-eyed about them?
the UK is a high labour cost country – you’re not going to change that by leaving the EU and relaxing a few H&S regulations.
but if you were to overhaul the benefits system you could have a lot of folk looking for a job. Some unskilled factory work in an export processing zone may be more attractive than starvation.
LAT
but if you were to overhaul the benefits system you could have a lot of folk looking for a job. Some unskilled factory work in an export processing zone may be more attractive than starvation.
Perhaps slavery could be reintroduced too, then factory owners could beat their workers as well.
Increasingly … Johnson’s Brexit is something done by England to everyone else…
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-51181641
The Welsh Assembly has joined the Scottish Parliament and the Northern Ireland Assembly in rejecting the Brexit bill.
It means all of the UK's devolved law-making bodies have voted against the withdrawal agreement legislation.
Perhaps slavery could be reintroduced too, then factory owners could beat their workers as well.
That is such a vulgar and illegal term. Perhaps, in this modern age, we can rebrand it to something more suitable, like being part of a "National Workforce Pool" or "Compulsory British Workforce".
Remember, if you refuse to take part, it's unpatriotic and you must be a Remoaner
but if you were to overhaul the benefits system you could have a lot of folk looking for a job
Well the tories have already had a go at thinning the population by overhauling the benefit system
Repeating myself, I know, but … increasingly … Johnson’s Brexit is something done by England to everyone else…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51173850
The UK government says Gibraltar cannot independently negotiate a passport-free travel deal with the EU after Brexit.
How long before Javid caves in? https://news.sky.com/story/us-threatens-car-tax-in-retaliation-for-digital-tax-11914884
Having said that perhaps the tories have decided the car industry is stuffed after Brexit anyway...
Not long
Well about a year I reckon b4 Johnson admits it
We either go grovelling to trump
Or we fold to the EU
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1219755354868867072?s=19
A handy little catch up for those wondering how “done” Brexit will be at the end of the month, as regards trade:
https://twitter.com/iandunt/status/1220293323375763457?s=21
Have a little smile…
https://twitter.com/otto_english/status/1220341153372999683?s=21
🤡
https://twitter.com/montypython/status/980573423981166594?s=21