[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

athgray - Member

Log entries of the trade ship HMS Brexit.

[img] [/img] I've worked it out 😉 THM writes for the express

Britain has a crack team in place ready to strike trade deals around the world..

Got to be a typo in the word "crack".

Got to love it though, makes it sound like we have a hardened team of negotiators fresh from SAS boot camp taking on the world!

I bet Terry and his mate Rob (aka the crack team of 2) don't know about this yet. 😀

athgray - Member
Log entries of the trade ship HMS Brexit.'.....

That was good, cheered me up no end. 😀

"crack team" = "team on crack"?

It seems you now call Ireland when you want to speak to Europe.

Our priority is to conclude a free trade agreement with the European Union”, Minister Julie Bishop told Newstalk.

“And we see Ireland as a great opportunity for us to work with countries of the EU, through Ireland.”

http://www.newstalk.com/Australias-priority-is-to-trade-with-the-EU--Australian-Foreign-Minister-on-the-opportunities-and-impact-of-Brexit

Well they are currently negotiating a trade deal with the EU which will be concluded well before any UK deal.

Let's hope so and that it's a better process than the Canada deal. They were even talking about establishing a new dispute agency and preventing the likes of the Walloons from vetoing

They can be quite flexible when they put their minds to it.

They can be quite flexible when they put their minds to it.

Trade deals with Oz or Canada are a very different beast to the UK leaving EU. UK HAS to be in a worst off position than within EU or others will follow. Simples.

thats unfair, some of them are busy misleading Parliament about whether they have, or they have not, got dossiers on the impact of Brexit.

Running interference whilst the real business is done (in the shadows)

Remainiac throws a strop ...

Remainiac throws a strop ...

noble warrior bravely trying to pull a floundering ship safely to shore.

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Milo Yianopoulis is good for a laugh too

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42517555 ]his editor thought so[/url] 🙂

ninfan

Don’t be daft, read what I said again, I would prefer us to be able to choose the best, rather than lumbered with the worst

EU regulation on freedom of movement is quite clear on this, EU nation states cannot restrict citizens freedom of movement based on previous criminal convictions. It is absolutely freaking ridiculous that we can refuse entry to the U.K. to (for example) Mike Tyson purely because of his rape conviction, but cannot equally refuse entry to a convicted murderer, paedophile or any other criminal on the basis of their EU citizenship

I will let you in on a little secret. Based partly on the fact that I know so many people that have come to the UK from the EU freely to work, including not only my sister in law, but my son's best friends mum, and a close friends wife, my sense of national identity is very fluid. I live in Scotland, in the UK, in the EU, and if being pedantic on the World. I feel these people are no less my countrymen and women than my own parents. Plenty of remainers feel this way. Sadly Ninfan et so will never experience this. Yes, there will be incredibly rare example of unsavoury people coming here, however I feel enriched through the relationships I have with those I have described and believe passionately that this is a price worth paying.

Don't use the argument that our link to the EU stops people from outside the EU from coming here. 50% of our immigration comes from outside the EU. I have NEVER met a single brexiteer that honestly wishes to see more 'brown' people coming here at the expense of EU nationals after Brexit, least of all Farage, who I have regularly heard use that argument, and he ends up in cold sweats when he doesn't hear English on the tube!

Financially we may manage by scrambling about like blue arsed flies on the Bounty trying to get back some of the trade from elsewhere that Brexiteers have sabotaged by chucking trade in the the bin from our doorstep.

It is the moral and social aspect of Brexit that leaves the most unpalatable taste. I find it hard to reconcile that my kids will not have the same travel and work opportunities that we have had all because millions of people are afraid of Lithuanian murderers. As I said previously, Brexit is a shambles and a disgrace that leaves the UK in the moral and social gutter.

That Raft of the Medusa cartoon is excellent.

Very well put.

TBH i can't understand why tyson wasn't allowed in to the country, but i can't pretend to have looked in to the story. i believe that if the debt to society has been paid, people should have the chance to improve their lot without prejudice.
if there is a genuine ( ie appreciable ) risk of re-offending then people convicted of violent crime should not be released at all.

I live in Scotland, in the UK, in the EU

This is another stupid thing about the whole affair. People complaining about the EU doing this and that as if they are an outside entity. As of now, we ARE the EU. There is no 'them'.

However we are creating a 'them' who will be against us.

Wot athgray said.... Spot on.

As he says, the economic issues worry me less than the social and moral.

The environment stuff could go either way but almost certainly won't.

I can see no silver lining at all. I am not moaning btw. I am expressing how I feel and think.

As of now, we ARE the EU.

I don't want Britain to be like the way it seems to be heading.

17 million wanting to do trade deals with countries as long as they don't have to get too involved with the natives who are probably HGV driving rapists.

Seeing who we trade with already I am not sure we could get any lower ethically (thinking weapons selling)

Fundamentally he is reigning so he can try and reverse Brexit from the House of Lords.

Sounds like he deserves a knighthood as well, then.

Appropriate choice - sette in an unelected chamber in order to reverse a democratically achieved result. And be awarded for doing so. The irony continues - how bad 😉

I seem to recall you whinging quite a lot at the imposition of business rates on public schools in Scotland, a democratically achieved result, the irony continues- how bad 😉

Appropriate choice - sette in an unelected chamber in order to reverse a democratically achieved result. And be awarded for doing so. The irony continues - how bad

The HoL is there to scrutinize democratically achieved results, whether they be referendum results or bills created by our democratically elected politicians, otherwise what's the point of it?

The irony THM is your apparent turn around on the HoL. I thought you were a staunch supporter?

Also if the other referendum had gone the other way would you now be taking a similar "you must get over it and make things fabulous again, these McRemainers should embrace Salmond he is wonderful" sort of a stance that you are here?

The irony continues - how bad

He's ****ing Trump

Of course but the Scots were too canny to fall for Salmonds BS

We even let lots off ill-educated people vote - as is their right - despite being lied to. That’s how it works. Of course the same people now deny others that right - see ^

The only people who should be whingeing about business rates on a Scottish schools are those who will now be excluded from private education because they can no longer afford it and the taxpayer who will most likely lose out.

ATG - you are correct re the role of the HOL

We are Leaving the EU against the wishes of the people of the UK. Bang on about "democracy" all you want, but the country shouldn't be stuck in 2016 for eternity.

Apparently that is exactly where THM thinks we should be stuck for eternity.

Really the referendum was undemocratic. A small group of people got what they wanted by capitalising on sentiment relating to other things, and manipulating the electorate.

Not really democratic when you put it like that was it THM?

Especially as CMD,who called it,stated it was advisory,not binding.Did you forget that THM ?

How many times have we posted that on here THM ?

teamhurtmore - Member
Of course but the Scots were too canny to fall for Salmonds BS

We even let lots off ill-educated people vote - as is their right - despite being lied to. That’s how it works. Of course the same people now deny others that right - see ^

The only people who should be whingeing about business rates on a Scottish schools are those who will now be excluded from private education because they can no longer afford it and the taxpayer who will most likely lose out.

Just on this subject.....CIS roles have been falling in Scotland for about a decade, down about 10% on where they were since 2008, and its largely been due to the schools putting their fees up, by about 15% overall in that same period.

In turn, kids are transferring into state schools, which can do the same job, results wise, for about half the cost. This is a fact. Lets leave aside the other benefits that CIS allegedly provides and constrain ourselves for now to academic achievements only, exam passes.

The schools themselves, when challenged, state that its because of constrained finances caused by- you guessed it- the crash of 2008->today.

Now, I know you'd like to claim that the SNP are forcing parents to turn to state schools for their education, denying them choice, but the fact is that this is [i]already happening[/i] due to the global economic catastrophe and its overall effect on the UK economy. A form of austerity, if you will (you and I have debated the use of this term in the past, you may recall.) So- its already happening, and has been for circa 10 years.

My opinion on the SNP's current rates redrawing is this: its a [i]fair[/i] thing to do, as there should be no distinction between the 2 streams of education in Scotland- no benefit should be obtained because private individuals wish to start a school. Its a business, as seen by the fact that they took a necessary economic decision based on their market, and put their fees up-thats what businesses do.

I can cite evidence to prove all this if needed.

We are Leaving the EU against the wishes of the people of the UK.

Of course we are.

Especially as CMD,who called it,stated it was advisory,not binding.

should have made it binding on a two thirds majority like most constitutional change in the rest of adult world (funnily enough it's what the original eu ref would have passed on)

If Corbyn was elected ,the pound collapsed and lots of businesses decided to leave the uk would he be deemed a success or a complete ****ing disaster?

Of course but the Scots were too canny to fall for Salmonds BS

Of course, It’s interesting to see how many of those who have been filled with apoplectic rage about the Sectoral reports were previously so keen to defend Wee Eck’s shenanigans over the non-existent legal advice on EU membership.

should have made it binding on a two thirds majority like most constitutional change in the rest of adult world

Just imagine what the usual reactionaries on here would have been saying if that condition was applied to (past or future) indyref?

Ninfan - member
Just imagine what the usual reactionaries on here would have been saying if that condition was applied to (past or future) indyref?

There _was_ a similar condition at least for the first Scottish referendum.

ninfan - Member
Of course, It’s interesting to see how many of those who have been filled with apoplectic rage about the Sectoral reports were previously so keen to defend Wee Eck’s shenanigans over the non-existent legal advice on EU membership.

Nice shot at a tie-in, love your work.

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/30/trump-us-constitution-weakness-founding-fathers?CMP=fb_gu ]It's about Trump but it applies to Brexit too, loosely.[/url]

@athgray my Nan is Indian and my father and all his brothers and sisters where born there. My wife is French. I have worked in globally focused businesses for my entire 35 year carrer travelling extensively to visit clients and working in US and Singapore. I spent part of my childhood living in Australia as an immigrant. I identify first and foremost as British, English applies only to sporting events. In my opinion there is no such thing as a citizen of Europe. I see no logical reason to tie ourselves into a decling continent for a second longer.

I see no logical reason to tie ourselves into a decling continent for a second longer.

Maybe we can tow GB to Asia then?

I see no logical reason to tie ourselves into a decling continent for a second longer

@mike the Australian and NZ trade deals with the EU are using the Canadian template. I imagine they will be concluded before we sign one as the earliest we can sign is April 2019 or maybe not even until 2021 depending upon transition arrangements / negotiations.

Every trade deal we sign means less business for the EU, they’ll be keen to tie us in / delay us for as long as possible. We are a very very good customer.