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That’ll be why they always sing about noel at Christmas then
FFS what does Wales have to actually offer.
Not much after the English stole all the natural resources.
He was a bouncing bomb in the Territorial Dambusters but he doesn’t like to talk about it.
So the government's two-pronged strategy of preparing for a GE and blaming the EU for the seemingly inevitable no-deal car crash Brexit appears to be in full swing now. The really sad part is they're going to get away with it (the EU taking the blame bit anyway), hopefully there's not enough sheeple that make their decisions based on propaganda ads on Facebook that they'll actually win a GE but I'm not holding out much hope anymore (actually I'm more imagining it will end up a Brexit & Tory coalition government). Lets hope the Scots get independence and some of us can go there as refugees.
The really sad part is they’re going to get away with it (the EU taking the blame bit anyway)
I do not think they are kidding anyone on in this country, look at the top rated comments in the BBC news story about Gove blaming the EU and nearly everyone is blaming the Tory party and saying the EU has done more than enough. If nowt else good comes out of this I personally think the tory party will be finished after this.
That is just the BBC website though. What about if you looked at the comments of The Mail for the same story, or The Times, or any other newspaper that publishes? That doesn't even take into account people that are not motivated enough to write something back, probably about the other 65 million people in the country.
I fear that they're absolutely going to get away with blaming the EU for everything as it all goes to shit at the end of October when we crash out
For the same reason they got away with all their lies, misinformation and straight-up bullshit during the referendum campaign
They've been building this anti-EU narrative for decades. The man who was mainly responsible for it is now PM. And millions and millions of people have bought into this crap and love the plucky old Britain England, standing alone against Europe claptrap
I worry that not only are Boris, Gove and Cummings going to cause chaos by crashing us out, they will then blame everyone else but themselves, wrap themselves in union jacks, and with the unwavering support of their mates in the anti-EU press, win a general election off the back of it too
The rhetoric is clearly being ratcheted up already. This is only going to get worse and worse as the deadline looms.
I don't think for one minute that they're bluffing. I think the decision has been made. They're crashing us out with no deal. They're presently setting the scene for apportioning blame
I wish Binners would stop writing posts that I agree with. I miss the old days when he seemed more comically unhinged rather than a truthsayer. More pointlessly diverting pictures please Binners, and less of the astute observations of the hole we’re falling into at speed. Thanks. Also, I hope that you prove to be wrong on this. Hope… hope… hope… (yeah, right).
They’re crashing us out with no deal
I recall that the EU had made some concessions to protect us from our own stupidity and allow a grace period of some sort if there was a no deal exit. Anyone know if that is still valid, or was it linked to the March timetable?
I do not think they are kidding anyone on in this country, look at the top rated comments in the BBC news story about Gove blaming the EU and nearly everyone is blaming the Tory party and saying the EU has done more than enough. If nowt else good comes out of this I personally think the tory party will be finished after this.
Just looked at the BBC comments - ususally just look & then sigh resignedly. But having actually looked at the top rated for once I actually left the website less angryily than when I started reading the comments.
I concur with binners/kelvin. After months of expecting an 11th hour repreive (not of brexit but of no deal), I am now of the opinion that the brakes are gone and the track is only leading one way.
It's lucky for my blood pressure I used up all my reserves of brexit apoplexy months ago.
What I still can't get my head around is how 45% of the population actually think No Deal is a good idea.
You'd have thought by this point all but a hard core of Brexit nutters would have abandoned this shitshow. But no, they carry on "WTO Now" "No Deal Okay" "Leave Means Leave".
You will actually get the zoomers arguing that they knew they were voting for no deal back in 2016 even though everyone on the Leave side was talking about "the easiest deal in history" and "nobody is talking about leaving the single market".
Its like half the country has been gaslighted.
I heard some clown yesterday saying "I bet its just like the millennium bug, all these people talking about a disaster and then we wake up in after Dec 31st, 1999 and everything is fine"
I'm sure it's been said before but the phrase No Deal implies that both sides walk away with what they had already, ie a maintaining of the status quo.
Which is clearly not the case here, but you have to wonder if some (many) people have failed to appreciate that simple fact.
I miss the old days when he seemed more comically unhinged rather than a truthsayer
I didn't change Kelvin. Its this country that has spent the last few years becoming increasingly unhinged. It appears its the new 'normal'
What truly terrifies me is that what we now consider to be unhinged will be looking like a picture of calm stability within 12 months.
Us crashing out of the EU is a Disaster Capitalist experiment the like of which has never been conducted before. I dread to think what the true Ayn Rand worshipping nutters at the helm of the Tory party have really got lined up in order to fully exploit the resulting chaos.
I have a horrible feeling that a lot of things we presently take for granted as part of a civilised society will have gone up in flames by this time next year. Literally and metaphorically
Without any evidence there's no way you'd want to link that to Brexit edukator.
What I still can’t get my head around is how 45% of the population actually think No Deal is a good idea
Exactly my thoughts. Are these people too stupid to realise what no deal will mean for them.
Even more bizarly, does your average factory worker in the north genuinely think that for one moment Boris and his chums give any kind of xxx about them...id call it 'turkeys voting for Christmas', but ultimately the turkeys get put out of their misery quickly, whereas these fools are voting for on going suffering and misery..
I'd say they deserved it they are so stupid..if it didn't also impact everyone who can see it for what it is, a terrible terrible idea.
Millennium bug wasn't a huge issue due to adequate preparation and a shit load of cash thrown at it
I agree Binners. Again. Sadly.
Well, after preventing Parliament from having a vote that could result in a general election before we are due to leave… what is the Labour proposal? Is it a temporary cross party government to stop No Deal… it is it to keep calling for a General Election that parliament now can not call in time to stop No Deal… what do you think…?
https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1158767410909986821?s=21
Party over country
No matter the damage to the country
It's a familiar theme
Two hours choosing a victim that just happens be speaking a foreign language. If it smells like xenophobia it's probably xenophobia.
no distinct or apparent motive. There is no link between the victim and male arrested.
And that ignores a blindingly obvious motive which this lady delightfully illustrates:
https://www.msn.com/fr-be/divertissement/actualite/speak-english-spat-on-london-street/vp-BBSUKj0
Edit: there's a word for hate based on language:
https://charterforcompassion.org/xenolingohassen-the-hatred-of-foreign-languages
I’ve been trying to observe this thread for a bit rather than posting or ranting, but it’s no good. Listening to an interview with two retired Nottingham Leavers on R4 tonight just made me want to rip the radio out of my car and chuck it on the central reservation.
Engage rant mode.
Let’s call them Terry and June. I don’t know what their names were, but those will do for your typical suburban curtain twitching Leavers.
The first question was about how their lifestyles would be affected by shortages of fresh fruit and veg in the event of No Deal. Fair enough, the question was about their lifestyle. So Terry launches into a reply in which he basically says “we are Brexiteers, so we will have to pay a bit more for certain things but that comes with the territory. We are also in a financial position where we can absorb a bit of extra cost”. I’m pretty sure this was Terry trying to acknowledge that no deal would cause hardship, but that he was honest enough to admit it, whilst being stoical enough to cope. Terry is a halfwit.
The next question was “ok, so you will be alright but you must acknowledge that there are people poorer than you who might be affected far worse?” This momentarily stumped old Terry. You see, the thing is Terry never thinks about anything more than lawn care products (second best lawn on street after Brian). Plus he reads the Mail, so anyone poorer than him must be a criminal in waiting or a scrounger, who wants to take Terry’s suburban semi and his near perfect lawn and take it, by fair means or foul. He may even think that it could be requisitioned by a Labour government and given to asylum seekers.
There are a lot of Terrys and Junes about. Complacent, petty, xenophobic, insular, nosy, local idiots.
Two hours choosing a victim that just happens be speaking a foreign language. If it smells like xenophobia it’s probably xenophobia.
Edukator, this may turn out to be the case, but there is absolutely nothing in the article that suggests it is a xenophobic attack. For all we know the 17 y/o in question could have been jealous at the sight of a happy family.
We just dont know at this stage. It is certainly too early to use as ammunition of a growing culture of fear of foreigners.
fear of foreigners.
More like foreigners in fear.
Now if you were a teacher organising a language visit how would this factor in with the possible need for every kid to get a passport and kids from the school having already been intimidated by a group of young thugs near Windsor castle? Madame and her colleagues suspended London trips after the vote but have just booked two nights in Jersey before the October deadline. Fingers crossed it goes well.
Point of order - there are plenty of 'northern factory workers' that voted remain. Please don't fall prey to that kind of lazy thinking!
My father in law genuinely believes 'no-deal' means the status-quo... but then again wouldn't be able to get a job in our factory...
So I'm heading to France a the end of the month with my two sisters.
As we enter France should we request political asylum on the grounds that the current
cabinet are a bunch of useless *ock wobbles.
What I still can’t get my head around is how 45% of the population actually think No Deal is a good idea
It was inevitable. Go back a couple of hundred pages and you’ll see I said this would happen if the public thought the brexit vote was being overturned. When you mess around with simple democratic principles, the people react and populist snake oil salesmen like Farage and Johnson take advantage of it.
The only chance of avoiding disaster was a deal. It still is. Unfortunately the remain side of the argument has also migrated to the extremes, naively thinking that the worse it got the more chance there was of it being cancelled. Both sides have taken leave of their senses with very predictable results. Historians will be picking over this cluster**** for centuries.
You forget that the Deal failed because it was not hard enough for Erg.
Go back a couple of hundred pages and you’ll see I said this would happen if the public thought the brexit vote was being overturned.
“The public” (or the bit of it you are concerned with here) seemed to think that May’s Withdrawal Agreement risked us staying close to the EU, so thought the Brexit vote was being overturned.
“The public” seemed to think that a “Norway style” arrangement proposed, that kept us in the Single Market in many ways, and kept FoM for the main, was against the spirit of “taking back control”, so would have meant the Brexit vote was being overturned.
“The Public” snorted with howls of “traitor” when a new customs arrangement was proposed to avoid tariffs with our closest and biggest market, because they thought the Brexit vote was being overturned.
Just not being an EU member is not enough for the people pushing for Brexit, is it, despite that being all that was voted on.
So, pray tell, short of “No Deal Brexit, let’s work out the details later, as long as it doesn’t entail agreeing to anything any of our filthy self interested neighbours want out of a future arrangement”, what precisely are “hard remainers” supposed to be getting behind, that would not be spun as “the Brexit vote being overturned”?
Go back a couple of hundred pages and you’ll see I said this would happen if the public thought the brexit vote was being overturned.
Oh do get over yourself. 'The public' are passengers in this. It's all being fought out behind closed doors. We've no influence here, other than the occasional vote, which as it goes turns out to be mostly in favour of remain so far. For what that's worth. Mostly the thick end off f all as far as I can see. Apparently democracy stopped in June 3 years ago.
More like foreigners in fear.
Now if you were a teacher organising a language visit how would this factor in with the possible need for every kid to get a passport and kids from the school having already been intimidated by a group of young thugs near Windsor castle?
You are making circumstantial evidence fit your own narrative. I hope you never have to sit on a jury. Do you support the death penalty because it wouldn't surprise me?
As of earlier this evening do you have any concrete evidence what so ever that this attack at the Tate modern in paeticular has had any effect on the fear felt by foreigners in the UK?
The public’ are passengers in this. It’s all being fought out behind closed doors. We’ve no influence here, other than the occasional vote
Yep all we can do is wait till we get the next opportunity to tick a box.
(Take a pen thou they rub out the pencil votes 😉
Although we can do protests etc and lobby mps over it.
Yep all we can do is wait till we get the next opportunity to tick a box.
Nice sentiment. But the actual game is clearly visible now that the government and it's advisors is packed with Brexit galaxy brains.
Brexit is just a sideshow for the power grab to end all power grabs. They are already testing the limits of what they can get away with - Johnson would just hang around in the event of a losing a VONC for example. They just want to use the ensuing chaos to ram through legislation and turn the UK into a one party state.
Labour's Lexit galaxy brains are playing the same game. There's no room for cooperation, just try and be the ones that get to take advantage of that desperation.
You are making circumstantial evidence fit your own narrative. I hope you never have to sit on a jury. Do you support the death penalty because it wouldn’t surprise me?
Character assassination and a personal attack when you don't like what I type, Athray.
Unfortunately an increasing number of victims or crime are selected on the basis of the language they speak, the colour of their skin, their sex, the way they dress... to dismiss these as possible motives in the victim selction process is burying your head in thad, especially when no other motive for the selection of the victim is apparent.
Acoording to the BBC hate crime has increased since the Brexit vote, if the BBC makes the link it would be unwise to rule it out in a case concerning a foreign child who had been selected after 2 hours of observation.
No I don't support the death penalty. And if ever I'm called for jury service it'll be up to the defence lawyer to decide whether to let me sit or call "récusé".
Two hours choosing a victim that just happens be speaking a foreign language. I
Given that Tate Modern is rammed full of people speaking foreign languages, being a major tourist attraction and the second most visited museum in the uk, so target selection would seem to be quite easy, two hours smacks more of mental illness at first glance but then we’ve only very limited facts atm
In more lovely news:
BBC News - Brexit: Food industry seeks no-deal competition waiver
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49258852
It's good to know that the government knows better than the food industry, and is so sure that food availability won't be a problem. Its just price and choice that will be affected, apparently, so that still confirm that Brexit is a good idea...
more of mental illness
Mental illness does not exclude discrimination based on language use. The two are not mutually exclusive. Equally a high IQ and fistful of qualifications do not mean people aren't racist to the core.
It's amusing how virulent you people are inexcluding a possible motive. Heads firmly in the sand concerning a very nasty and well-documented trend in British society which the reputable press doesn't hesite to link to Brexit - an increase in hate crime.
I'll refrain from posting several pages of Youtubes and press articles to illustrate my point (for the moment). 🙂
It’s good to know that the government knows better than the food industry, and is so sure that food availability won’t be a problem. Its just price and choice that will be affected, apparently, so that still confirm that Brexit is a good idea
Given that the current Foreign Secretary whilst he was Brexit Secretary expressed genuine surprise on discovering that, as an island, we're quite dependent on our ports, what do you expect?
The bottom line is that this shower of ****s couldn't care less if poor people see a massive impact on their lives due to rapidly rising prices of basic things like food.
It's all worth it if they get to live out some neo-colonial, flag-waving fantasy
The bottom line is that this shower of ****s couldn’t care less if poor people see a massive impact on their lives due to rapidly rising prices of basic things like food.
obviously. its their fault for being poor.
No one is excluding racism/xenophobia as a motive, just pointing out that assuming that it's the case before the facts are known isn't the right thought process.
It’s amusing how virulent you people are inexcluding a possible motive. Heads firmly in the sand concerning a very nasty and well-documented trend in British society which the reputable press doesn’t hesite to link to Brexit – an increase in hate crime.
God you do like to pontificate don’t you. I think itc was quite reasonable in suggesting mental illness rather than xenophobia. I have no doubt there’s been a rise in hate crimes etc caused by brexit but there’s nothing in this incident to suggest that yet but don’t let that effect your diatribe about a horrific incident the causes of which are still unknown to the general public.
Thanks for the link to support what I said about mental illnes and discrimination not being mutually exclusive, Kilo. Now take it a step further and Google things like "hate crime Brexit catalyst".
There's a Brexit mentality that says britons are somehow superior and as soon as people consider themselves superior then others have a lower worth. It pervades the news I see coming out of Britian and the US at present (peas of a pod). Just as those two nations are seeing their world status challenged, not least because their recent behaviour means they've lost their former role and credibility as a world police or being on the side of right and good.
Fear is setting in, fear of the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians (dear me), the North Koreans, the Mexicans, the Poles, the Europeans. Fear driven by the gutter media and transformed into hate. The political rhetoric plays on the paranoia and idiots (whether mentaly ill or not) starts taking it into their own hands to go on their own punitive racist missions on levels from mild unpleasantness to murder. Just browse Youtube and you'll find people from elsewhere being told to go home in the most unpleasant manner. Watch the news and you'll see worse, with totally implausible half-hearted condemnations from politicians the who ride on the wave suspicion, fear, hate and rejection of anyone foreign.
There’s a Brexit mentality that says britons are somehow superior
That is in no way restricted to British people. The issue is that Brexit presented these people with an opportunity to use that sentiment to drastically alter the course of the country and ruin it for everyone else.
Now take it a step further and Google things like “hate crime Brexit catalyst”.
Did you not read the bit in my post “ I have no doubt there’s been a rise in hate crimes, etc caused by brexit” in case you didn’t I have no doubt there’s been a rise in hate crimes etc caused by brexit.
The link between mental illness and discrimination in the article, it ends “ If instead we continue to hope that every angry, entitled male with a grudge and an arsenal can be cured by the mental health system, we doom ourselves to watching these tragedies unfold again and again.” which pretty much sums up that racist attacks aren’t in the main as a result of mental illness.
While May was trying to repeatedly get her WA through parliament, I can almost forgive government from not "scare mongering" by not acknowledging in public the real concerns about food distribution if No Deal came to pass. Albeit I think a lot of pro-Brexit believers, especially those on lower than average household incomes, should have been given a wake up call. But for Boris and his chums to now be enjoying a well deserved holiday, despite No Deal now staring us in the face and so little preparation for No Deal having been organised before Boris took over the Tory lunatic asylum is unforgivable. Supermarket shelves are going to be full of gaps, what's available is going to further increase in price, more lower earners are going to needing help from food banks. The very politicians that sold many pro-Brexit voters a load of lies and half-truths now have the Brexit Robin Reliant accelerator pedal fully to the metal, thinking they can win a game of chicken against the EU juggernaut. Absolutely delusional and lower earners will be the first to shatter.In more lovely news:BBC News – Brexit: Food industry seeks no-deal competition waiver> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49258852 < It’s good to know that the government knows better than the food industry, and is so sure that food availability won’t be a problem. Its just price and choice that will be affected, apparently, so that still confirm that Brexit is a good idea…
So who do you fancy for the interim PM if Liz does her bit and sacks Johnson after losing a VONC?
I liked Grieves comment that she does actually have a role to play and that she is not just an ornament to the British constitution.
Liz has form regarding dismissing PMs with the dismissal of Gough Whitlam the Australian PM in 1975 albeit at arms length on that occasion. If she has the bottle she would get to do it face to face this time. Her Dirty Harry moment 'does one feel lucky'?
So far its Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Margaret Beckett or Yvette Cooper as possible unity PM.
My money is on Clarke with Beckett the outsider but then I don't expect Liz will actually do her bit. Just take the money and keep her head down.
What I still can’t get my head around is how 45% of the population actually think No Deal is a good idea.
It's because 99% of those 45% don't have the vaguest notion of what it actually means. They think it'll be business as usual, "no deal" = "not giving those funny foreigners anything."
I heard some clown yesterday saying “I bet its just like the millennium bug, all these people talking about a disaster and then we wake up in after Dec 31st, 1999 and everything is fine”
Out of everything in this clusteryouknowwhat that makes me cross, this argument is the one thing that sets me absolutely **** incandescent. It's weapons-grade ignorance and stupidity.
The Y2K issue was a non-event because a lot of people spent months, years in some cases, working very hard to ensure that it was a non-event. I know because I was one of them. It should have been hailed as a global triumph of planning, engineering and collaboration, but instead the world went "well, what was all the fuss about then?"
Go back a couple of hundred pages
Go back a couple of hundred pages and you'll find where I explained to you, slowly and carefully and in great detail, exactly why you're talking abject bollocks. Why you're still talking abject bollocks months later I simply cannot fathom, it's like talking to chewkw only with better grammar.
While the Brussels bashing continues:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/26/brexit-green-policies-vat-solar-batteries
Blame the foreigners when it's Britain's own policy to subsidise fossil fuels and tax alternative energy use.
As we seem to be staring down the barrel of a massively destructive brexit very likely followed by the breakup of the Union, I actually think it possible she might step in. Do you think she'd want to be remembered as the head of state who allowed that to happen?
Her Dirty Harry moment ‘does one feel lucky’?
That deserved more......
Y2K was just an IT issue but as you point out taken far more seriously than Brexit, Cougar. I get irritated with this thread (and stop posting) when it gets all Corbyn/tory/party politics because all that just distracts from the scale and scope of the damage soon to be done (already being done) by Brexit and Brexit attitudes. And especially irritated with the passivity of remainers.
On Y2K I did nothing, passivity was low risk. It was business decision that it would be cheaper and less hassle to fix anything that didn't work than pay to prepare. Absolutely nothing went wrong. Brexit is very different, damage is already being done before it's happened and even if you want to prepare there's not much you can do as the structure of society is being changed and no amount of preparation will limit that. In fact individuals and businesses that act to limit damage to themselves will in doing so inflict more damage on the rest of society because the measures almost invariably means reducing exposure to UK PLC.
Out of everything in this clusteryouknowwhat that makes me cross, this argument is the one thing that sets me absolutely **** incandescent. It’s weapons-grade ignorance and stupidity.
The Y2K issue was a non-event because a lot of people spent months, years in some cases, working very hard to ensure that it was a non-event.
Yep, its actually the diametric opposite of Brexit and using it an argument for Brexit is as wrongheaded as its possible to be.
So the argument is actually a perfect analogy of Brexit!
Y2K?...
How about "Well, it will be just like the first world war with the 'Stab in the Back' myth if they steal our Brexit..."
Christ.
All.
F-ing.
Mighty.
No hope. None at all.
I guess on the plus side I don't eat much fresh fruit or veg, I wonder how long it will be before supply chain issues impact microwave meals...
Logic would suggest that it's going to have an impact on olives and brie supplies, but that this will be compensated for with an influx of curry and kebabs
Actually... that should have been on the side of a bus. I'd definitely have voted for that
Will no-one think of the steak bakes, eh...?!
Has anyone seen Cummings and duke from the doonesbury cartoons in the same place?
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YOu do know who Duke is in real life? Hunter S Thompson.
Satire is dead!
I'd love it if Cummins went full on Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas at the tory conference, with Gideon in tow as his Attorney/Editor...
HST is probably doing about 189 rpm at that comparison. He would have made very short shrift of the bulk of our current political class.
I guess on the plus side I don’t eat much fresh fruit or veg
Are you Scottish?
Managed to knacker a knee in Leogang last week. Took the usual trip to Zell Am See hospital where we’ve been many times before. They did an X-ray but basically said they wouldn’t do an MRI and I should get one done when I get home.
It felt like they were getting me out of there ASAP. I wonder how long it takes them to claim back through the EHIC system and if they are under instruction not to spend much time/cash in case they don’t get it back before Brexit?
We’ve always been really well looked after before but it definitely seemed different this time.
Still, “sovrinty”, blue passports, Brexit means Brexit.
Without London, the rest of England would be pretty poor.
Utter horseshit. Without London then we'd have had centuries of investment in other parts of the country and they'd be better off.
Still, “sovrinty”, blue passports, Brexit means Brexit.
In other, less broken bone type health news anecdotes, my mfjnr cannot get his eczema treatment. It's manufactured abroad, and guess what? Not importing it, because Brexit. So that's nice.
I look forward* to a smorgasboard of shortages in the near future.
* I don't.
Without London, the rest of England would be pretty poor.
Without London then we’d have had centuries of investment in other parts of the country and they’d be better off.
I can’t change “centuries of history”, sorry… others were talking about making Wangerland/England minus London a new country outside the UK & EU (jokingly I assume)… I simply pointed out that wouldn’t be that rich a country without London (jokingly you could assume).
Without London then we’d have had centuries of investment in other parts of the country and they’d be better off.
Hahaha. As if there's a finite amount of money in the country and people choose to spend it in London rather than other places!
Without London somewhere else in the South East would have become London. Just look at a map and have a think. Or rather - why do you think we have London now?
other countries are not so centralised with one city sucking all the money out of the economy.
Yes, yes, the country is too focussed on one city… but that wasn’t the point I was making… it was that if you had a “New England” that broke away now, without NI, Scotland & London (something that isn’t going to happen), the result would not be a rich country… because when people say England is a rich country, that is very much an England that still has London in it. If you, entirely hypothetically (jokingly?), removed London from England it would not be anywhere near as rich.
and Scotland who support the UK economy - take london and scotland out of the picture then england is barely viable
other countries are not so centralised with one city sucking all the money out of the economy.
Ludicrous to think that London sucks money out of the economy - it creates it. Get a grip.
Also, lots of other countries are the same. Paris, Stockholm, Oslo, Helsinki, Edinburgh, Cardiff. Countries that don't have one pre-eminent city are either amalgamations of historical regions each with their own pre-eminent city or have been planned in modern times.
Molgrips you're talking such a load of garbage. London doesn't magically create money, oh it doesnt matter
Enjoy your Brexit. At least understand why it's happening ...
No moilgrips - it sucks money out of the rest of the country and concentrates it in London. all the government depts, all thosestaff paying high housing costs thus needing london weighting on slareies, high housing costs all over = money from the public purse into private hands in housing benefit.
Paris does not dominate the french economy in the same way = other cities get a slice and france has been a unitary country longer than most.
Like it or loathe it, but London attracts lots of foreign investment / business start-ups in things like Fin-Tech - the come because it's London, not Birmingham or Manchester. Take London out the equation and they'd simply invest in another country - not the UK. Two key factors are money and talent - we continue with our "hostile environment" then we'll hit the economy hard - they'll simply take their money and jobs elsewhere.
Molgrips you’re talking such a load of garbage. London doesn’t magically create money, oh it doesnt matter
You're going to have to explain that. I can explain my argument:
It's easier for businesses to work with each other when they are closer together. So they are more productive, in economic terms, and they grow. When there are a lot of businesses in one place, they make money and the people who work there spend it, often locally. That is why nearly all cities are richer than the countryside. (Also why house prices are higher - because more people need to work there). Businesses can have more local customers and thence make more money. This has been how it is as long as there have been cities. So really big cities have a stronger effect, as long as they aren't too big to affect communication. Economies create money - the bigger an economy, the more it creates. So for the reasons above, London creates more money than Cardiff which creates more money than Caerphilly and so on.
Enjoy your Brexit.
You've got to be ****ing kidding if you think arguing that big cities make more money makes me a ****ing Brexiteer. That has SERIOUSLY pissed me off. What kind of half wit links those two things?
Or is anyone you disagree with on any topic a scumbag and automatically a Brexiteer, a racist, fat, and anything else you don't like?
No moilgrips – it sucks money out of the rest of the country and concentrates it in London. all the government depts, all thosestaff paying high housing costs thus needing london weighting on slareies, high housing costs all over = money from the public purse into private hands in housing benefit.
The amount of inward investment that happens BECAUSE it's London absolutely dwarfs the extra cost of labour. If it didn't, they wouldn't bloody well go there would they? These companies are perfectly able to invest anywhere they like. So why do they choose London? Is someone forcing them against their will?
other countries are not so centralised with one city sucking all the money out of the economy
Because they have land borders. Where as the UK has a big **** off sea who’s narrowest point is guess what? Pretty ****ing near London.
Just thinking a bit more about ways out of No Deal. Isn't the most straightforward simply for Parly to pass legislation torevoke A50?
Isn't that what the full remain parties - Lib-Dems, SNP - be pushing for rather than a GE.
Or do they really prefer a GE because Labour are looking weak and, especially Lib-Dems, have a lot to gain in a Westminster election?
Maybe a test of their integrity?
Cherry amendment was designed to make that a possibility, ie. Parliament being able to revoke A5O at the final hour, as a backstop if you like, if we were heading for an imminent No Deal exit. Guess who worked against that? Other than the Conservatives that is. Go on, guess who…
While the media keep focused on the fuss over the backstop (so that blame can be targeted at Ireland, even though it’s Brexit campaigners who claimed NI wouldn’t be a problem), it seems much bigger aspects of the WA are dead in the water thanks to the new government’s fresh aims…
https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/1159569598267744256?s=21
Cherry amendment was designed to make that a possibility, ie. Parliament being able to revoke A5O at the final hour, as a backstop if you like, if we were heading for an imminent No Deal exit. Guess who worked against that? Other than the Conservatives that is. Go on, guess who…
... but Lib-Dems should be pushing the revoke A50 option, reminding us the public, that there is and alternative to a GE and real prospect of Boris calling a GE that falls across 31 Oct and caused a no deal crash out.
Or is the prospect of winning a few seats and having sway in a hung Parly more important to the Lads - as I said a test of integrity