Rees Mogg has already said as much IIRC
At some point, no matter what the deal, she'll need support from across the floor to get it past these people.
Of course, they now think that they can force a no deal exit… and her actions, her words, and her government's bills, have enabled that.
TJ (and Chris) “making it up as they go along” like I said exactly the same as “sufficient progress” - both deliberately vague. The EU are masters at vague stuff
@kimbers May made a mistake, DUP spot on in killing it. She should have got it cleared with them in advance just as EU did with Ireland.
Getting better TJ that looks like 1/3 which brings it up to 1/9. Progress.
Still a $1 billion inward investment this week into UK pharma (despite all the BMA BS) probably doesn’t count as it’s so small.
With ends like this who needs starts?
Jambas mate you have a lot of catching up to do. These guys are brilliant 😉 and leaving you way behind!!
DUP spot on in killing it.
Wow.
Jambas - she will probably get away with regulatory equivalence so that’s 2/3 done. How long before trade talks?
Jamba - the draft text made specific reference to NI
Davies has now said it applies across the UK ( after Davidsons intervention) thats what I mean about making it up as you go along.
"regulatory alignment" is not vague. Its precise and specific. Its only vague if like Davies you want to pretend it means different things for different audiences. He ain't pulling the wool over many folks eyes.
Its also unnacceptable to the rabid tendency.
"Regulatory alignment" effectively means continuing to follow [b]at least some [/b] of the rules of the EU's single market.
Common Jambas beat that definition of precise and specific. Your turn... 😉
Haha, are the Tory fanboys pretending that this is all according to some sort of plan?
The only reason there's some structure to this is thanks to the EUs scheduling.
Left to their own devices, by now the Tories would be ready to send Davidson to capture Brussels in her tank, while all EU citizens in UK would be forced to register at checkpoints across the land- remember the glorious 'Citizens of Nowhere ' speech, Rudd's public register of foreign employees...
That thick as mince, lazy as a toad, 'what impact assessments ?' Davis or any of these grown ups know what they are doing isn't going to wash with anyone at this stage.
So kimbers who came up with the regulatory equivalence idea and who thought it was a go-er?
That’s either very brave or very foolish to state given that you have been arguing that there will be no deal,
Please, both sides, correct me if I'm wrong here as I'm no political expert, but as far as I can understand given what's currently proving to be irreconcilable differences we now only have three possible outcomes?
1) We go "yeah, sorry, not tenable, can we call the whole thing off? Would you like some jam?" and hit the big red reset button. Everything goes back to relative normality and we spend the next ten years licking our wounds and trying to work out how we're going to pay for the last two years.
2) We nationally accept the Four Freedoms and essentially remain as we are now only having relinquished any influence or control we have over how the EU is run, so we do as we're told.
3) Green zero, house wins, we crash out of the EU with nothing. No deals, no WTO (because we don't qualify without at least one if not two of the FFs AIUI), nothing. Which will at least solve the migration problem because all of our planes will be grounded.
Is that about right or have I missed / misunderstood something?
Are you still using WoS as a source for this intelligence (sic) that is being posted?
What does [url= https://www.worldofspectrum.org/ ]World of Spectrum[/url] have to do with any of this?
The EU are masters at vague stuff
Ah, irony.
teamhurtmore - Member
So kimbers who came up with the regulatory equivalence idea and who thought it was a go-er?
Someone with no understanding +or a large dislike) of the DUP (and/or Davidson & the scotts)?
the phrase was ,[u]continued[/u] regulatory alignment’ between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.
Not a new regulatory alignment, a continuation, nor did it mention rest of UK as Davis lied to parliament today
I think it was Junkyard who 1st said that this would happen in the DUP thread if only the Tory grownups paid more attention to traitorous remoaners on stw eh?
Yes and who came up with it and thought it was a go-er?
I’m beginning to think we might “leave the EU”, but not actually leave the EU.
THM’s fudge is looking very likely at present.
NI and RoI and therefore EU to be aligned
But says Arlene we must be aligned with Britain
Sounds reasonable says Ruth supporting her pal Nichola - just align us all with the EU.
Thats what we meant all along says David.
Humph says Theresa.
About right?
Im assuming you know, was it Corbyn?
Pretty much Cougar.
The EU might throw May a few bones so she can claim a deal but I doubt it.
Its all going exactly as I said it would. Remember " row of the summer"? "Easiest trade deal ever"? " they need us more than we need them"
If anyone can be bothered going back thru the thread everything I have predicted will happen has happened. and we ain't even left yet - the worst damage is yet to come
I've suspected for a long time that there will be no practical change in anything other than name. We'll just have to pay out a shed load of money, effectively setthe economy back a decade or two and we won't have a seat/influence on the top table anymore.
No. Keep trying
Corbyn is a non-playing captain of leave 😉 an irrelevance so far, but could well be called on to deliver his dream 😉
That the same Corbyn who looks more committed to remain every week?
So TJ when is the -4% recession going to happen? One of your early predictions
and there was me thinking he was a conviction politician
What do you reckon the will say when they quash his nationalisation plans?
Before the collapse of the euronzone?
Was that a starter for 10 or a bonus question.
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What do you reckon the will say when they quash his nationalisation plans?
The same things they didnt when Osborne did it?
Im surprised at you THM, propagating brexie lies
https://theconversation.com/amp/fact-check-do-new-eu-rules-make-it-impossible-to-renationalise-railways-61180
Cougar You will be relieved to know that a more sensible and accurate presentation of events is widely available
Look behind the two issues and the proposed solutions and you see the very clear evidence of what happens when grown up negotiators get together. Both the misnamed divorce bill and the NI solution were perfect examples of what we will end up with. Compromises that are structured to allow both sides to claim small wins while keeping some wiggle room. Both sides supported these proposals but unfortunately the subtle nuances were a step too far for both the DUP and remoaners
But don’t worry there is more to come and soon. Then we will Be discussion trade and another set of compromises to ensure access to each other’s markets
I was working outdoors all day today, did anything change? Last I heard the DUP were insisting that they would defend the people of Northern Ireland's right to be part of as crap a deal as the rest of the UK even when a better deal was offered to them and a majority of people in the province voted to remain in the EU.
What news?
Oh and this one too
THM
http://renewal.org.uk/blog/eu-law-is-no-barrier-to-labours-economic-programme
But don’t worry there is more to come and soon. Then we will Be discussion trade and another set of compromises to ensure access to each other’s markets
Did you just correct the spelling and remove biggly from a Trump tweet?
The range of the bespoke (tm) solution is exactly as you said Cougar. There are too many variables to rule out either extreme. The UK side is at the mercy of a number of groups os parliament who are completely opposed to each other and have multiple red lines. From the eu negotiations they have theirs and it also needs agreement from the members which could involve parliamentary votes from them.
Anyone watching BBC4? Programme about invasions of the British Isles. Except they keep going on about it being immigration. Almost as if they have a point to make!
THM, are you saying that was the plan all along , or did they think about it at 4pm yesterday ? 🙄
It's great molgrips, very nice to her someone actually explain how we are a product of continuous waves of migration.
Truly apt for the flawed isolationist fantasy of Brexit
Anyway excellent thread showing how Europeans view brexishambles
https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/937993277223075840
Kimbers - nice article and link thanks. But flawed. We have case evidence of a European socialist governments plans for nationalisation as an alternative to austerity being rejected by the European Commission in the past few years.
Chris - like kimbers you might be overlooking who was involved with and who agreed to yesterday’s proposal. But that aside of course this is being made up as we go along. There is no precedent and the outcomes are dependent on on-going negotiations
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Brexit is more about a destructive reshaping of our economy than it is about reclaiming sovereignty, whatever that means.
I would not be surprised to see May fall from power imminently, especially if the DUP refuse to play nice.
I rarely bother engaging with thm, as he comes across as such an unpleasant individual , but this
and there was me thinking he was a conviction politicianWhat do you reckon the will say when they quash his nationalisation plans?
Is just utter garbage...there's nothing to stop nationalisation in the EU.
Didnt see the programme didn't need to, I know we are one of the most invaded countries in the world.
In fact I would challenge anyone to name half a dozen more mongrel countries than the UK?
The usuals on here will carry with the wordy ****athon but for the nation in general this is increasingly looking like a dead duck.
I would suggest the only question now is whether or not we should charge the spannners who got is in this situation with treason.
So it seems that Davis wasn't involved in the draft, May had shut him out...
Well that's what Davis' mates are briefing.
Davis, desperate to wash hands of brexishambles
Thsnkd fir the complement. Given that there is real evidence that contradicts your point, I will refrain from psssing the complement back.
Or linking to said evidence?
So it seems that Davis wasn't involved in the draft, May had shut him out...
You are not suggesting that there are some intelligent people working in the background are you kimbers ? Didn’t tell you know who, he will get terribly upset that another falsehood is debunked.
What do you reckon the will say when they quash his nationalisation plans?
Cost quashes that.
Both sides supported these proposals but unfortunately the subtle nuances were a step too far for both the DUP and remoaners
Indeed. Like that Ian Duncan Smith. Another remoaner getting all frothy. Doesn’t he understand the nuances?
Actually I suspect what ever else is true about them the DUP are very good at nuances.
cmon it’s quite recent....
You guys seem obsessed with the nutters. Why not focus on the smart guys who are actually negotiating, especially behind the scenes?
THM is it your patronage or patronisation that in receiving right now, not sure what the correct word is
5 seconds in Google proves thm wrong..."does eu prevent nationalisation"...basically there are ways to do it within the EU as shown by the number of states that have nationlised railways.
Cougar You will be relieved to know that a more sensible and accurate presentation of events is widely available
Oh, good. What other possible outcome have I missed? (Genuine question, what's option 4?)
