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Watching TC Francois self combust afterwards was absolute gold.
When the last set of indicative votes went bad for the government he trotted out a coup against the government line, why the reporter didnt bring up the fact he has voted against the government repeatedly on this I don't know.
There has to be a tipping point where policy trumps (deliberate) angry little men ranting.
We shall fight them on the (green) benches, we shall fight them on the doorsteps and in the lobby's.
Comments on the express article are comedy gold.
How dare our sovereign parliament be un sovereign?
We voted to leave to be sovereign...
“80% of people voted for brexit supporting parties”,
that quote is a dangerous one for Labour
it reminds millions of voters not to vote labour again as it will be used against them by brexiters
Exactly where I am, in a remainer constituency, with a good backbench Labour MP campaigning for a PV. Fwiw.
As I stated before, when the Labour party try to play both sides, and ultimately enable Brexit, f them. What's the fING point of them? You may just as well go balls deep and vote for whatever minority party you want and accept inevitable Tory rule, because Labour, even against the shitest Tory government ever, are f***ING nowhere. They are adding zero value.
accept inevitable Tory rule, because Labour, even against the shitest Tory government ever, are f***ING nowhere. They are adding zero value.
Not a great approach. So you don't like the tactics Labour is using on Brexit so you would rather have a tory party continuing to do all the damage it is doing to people's lives. You don't think a lot of those peoples lives may be a bit better under Labour?
Brexit is irrelevant, it is the polices that Tory or Labour put in place that matter (before or after Brexit)
f them. What’s the fING point of them?
That’s a pretty childish and ultimately self-defeating opinion if you’re a natural labour voter. Can you really not see that labour need to have a policy that will allow them to keep most of their northern brexit voting seats? Throwing your dummy out of the pram because you don’t get your own way is pretty stupid, although you’re in good company on here.
Brexit is irrelevant
It really isn't. Remember, we're in the easy phase of Brexit at the moment. The hard work for parliament comes after we leave. Wherever policies they are telling you they will implement will just take a backseat to more of this frantic circlejerking that passes for leadership these days.
Led by donkeys projected this on the white cliffs of Dover.
Can you really not see that labour need to have a policy that will allow them to keep most of their northern brexit voting seats?
That's the point, labour have to choose who they abandon; their remain voters or their Brexit voters
At some point they'll have to pick a side, now that the old party lines have been broken.
Living in the past is not going to work for them.
Can the Lords block the Cooper Bill?
I think they can delay it by voting it down or significantly amending it (both of which send it back to the commons for another vote), same as for any other piece of legislation. Given that we're only talking about a week at most, I would expect some attempt at filibustering it.
kerley, dazh,
I'll just leave this here
Magic Grandad is ignoring the majority of his own supporters.
The notion earlier in the thread that labour would be ignoring "50% of voters" is nonsense when only a minority of labour members and voters support brexit.
If he's not prepared to face them down and argue against them then he's no better than May and the ERG.
He has ignored the illegality of the referendum, the majority of his own supporters and his own party policy.
There is no kool aid strong enough for me to see past all that.
In other news .. I feel less boned after last nights shenanigans in parliament. I hope it wasn't just a dream.
Aye, bang on. Grow a pair of baws Obi-wan.
I would vote for a good labour government in a heartbeat. But we have a Corbyn. He pushes away all the moderates you need to win.
If he manages to secure a R2 I might vote for him. If he just enabled this current cluster**** then no way. I will NEVER vote Tory again, so it looks like I’m consigned to LD/Green/Indy.
At least my conscience will be clear.
Well I guess this is the crux of where we differ as I view representative democracy as inferior to direct democracy, which is why I defend direct democracy on the rare occasion it is employed.
I think there is a good reason it is rarely used.
Nice to see Francois frothing. he needs to go away and leave politics to the grown-ups.
Lords unlikely to block it, I have seen it mentioned that the "whipping" communication sent out to Tory peers in "come if convenient". Could be a code of course.
At least my conscience will be clear.
Good for you. Mine wouldn't be if I was helping to keep a Tory party in power for ever.
I don't care about Corbyn, I don't care about pushing moderates (read tories) away. What I care about is policies that actually help people and make for a fairer and better society.
Surely this fiasco is enough to demonstrate the problems with direct democracy?
I used to think it was a good idea but I changed my mind (before Brexit incidentally).
I don’t care about pushing moderates (read tories) away.
So moderate = Tory?
Sisters and brothers
What have we done
We're fighting each other
Instead of the Front
Better get it together
Big trouble to come
And the odds are against us
About twenty to one
Extremists always tend to see those who don’t completely agree with them as ‘the enemy’. See also the right wing in the US describe anyone with the faintest social conscience as a ‘soclialist’
I would vote for a good labour government in a heartbeat. But we have a Corbyn. He pushes away all the moderates you need to win.
If you think Corbyn is bad, have a look at Scottish Labour, Richard Leonard makes Obi-wan look competent. At least we have other options up here, thankfully.
Let’s cut to the chase. Political parties actually represent nobody but themselves. I’ve never seen a party that accurately represents all my views.
So I have to pick one I think will make the best job. That includes a Leader who can actually lead, listen and work for the greater good. Corbyn & May are none of the above. Parties claiming great mandates for their manifestos are so detached from reality it makes you want to cry.
Let’s not forget the state of Labour before this Brexit Sh@@fest. Corbyn MPs hate him, the public don’t trust him, but Momentum are in charge.
I really wish that all the moderate MPs actually showed some backbone & left their old parties, but Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
So moderate = Tory?
Depressingly, the labour party has now been colonised by the kind of paranoid delusional people who regard pretty much everyone as 'the enemy', and heap abuse on anyone who fails to bow to the true path to socialist utopia, and their messiah. And for the time being, they're calling the shots just as much as the ERG have been leading the Tory party by the nose.
The tradgedy is that they seem totally blind to how repellent this is to most people, who simply will not vote for that. The polls don't lie though. Any opposition party worthy of the name would be an easy 20 clear of this shower of incompetents
Both parties are in the grip of extremists, leaving anyone sane politically homeless
Any opposition party worthy of the name would be an easy 20 clear of this shower of incompetents
No any party of any decent size (which doesnt have a alternate bogie man to use) would be in equal problems. Since they would be needing to represent both leavers and remainers.
Perhaps if the "moderates" hadnt spent most of their time trying to undermine the leadership it might work better. Its not really paranoia if people are out to get you.
The problem is we have a bunch of "moderates" who easily match the nuttiest ERG/Momentum types for levels of extremism.
As for tragedy of being blind. You are demonstrating blindness perfectly now. The moderates are a minority who think they are a majority due to being the most likely to swing. The concentration on them leaves others feeling politically isolated and abandoned and hence more likely to go for options like brexit since, why the **** not, they are abandoned anyway.
Instead of addressing those issues though the "moderates" just double down in their extremism.
There are other parties available which you can join.
But here is the slight flaw, They aint as big for a reason.
Agreed.
Any news of the shadow cabinet meeting last night? News yesterday reporting Emily Thornberry sent a letter to all shadow ministers last night over Corbyn ignoring the party policy on R2
but Momentum are in charge.
A cursory look at the current accusations being lobbed around about EU strategy clearly shows this isnt the case.
Well shami chakrabarti has this morning contradicted Emily Thronberry's 2ndref stance
.......whil Matt Hancock has contradicted philly Hammonds statement on peston
so were back to both parties unable to figure out what they want
All that demonstrates, as if we needed it demonstrating further, is the total absense of the remotest shred of leadership in both parties
May and Corbyn are both utterly devoid of all the qualitiees required for the job
Give up on Labour and move on. I admire Watson, Lammy, Cooper, Phillips and co fighting to save it… but it's over… move on… leave it to the people who simply do not want the support of us "moderate extremists" anymore… it's their party now. Move on. They think that we'll hold our noses and continue to support them because they are "not Tory", but that simply is not good enough. They need to change before they get to the point where it's so late that no one believes they have changed (for me that point has already been reached, and my vote now depends on new leadership, not just an end to the Lexit without a public vote approach).
so were back to both parties unable to figure out what they want
Its almost like its a highly divisive issue which crosses over traditional political splits.
It is why a cross party solution is needed. Not only to get enough votes but also to give some protection by not making one party the target for the rebound.
I do love the simplistic comments about lack of leadership. Bearing in mind the lack of real control over individual MPs (disciplinary options are limited) it would come down to being amazingly persuasive. Frankly I think it is a good thing we dont seem to have a politican capable of doing that. Since who knows how they would use that ability. Be okay if they were the benign type but if not...
Move on. They think that we’ll hold our noses and continue to support them because they are “not Tory”
Yup do so. Since the reverse is also true. You cant have a party where the "moderates" have the say over it and ignore the majority of the members. That way you end up with, well, the Labour party under Blair and the mess we are in now. Or to some degree the tories under Cameron. Although in his case it was mostly just talk although I think enough tories believed it to kick back.
Best for people to find a party which actually represents them without wanting to take over someone elses. Of course that may be hard in many cases (for me Green ticks many boxes but some of their policies are close to vote losers).
Of course would work better with PR. Shame the lib dems screwed that up (one job and they failed it).
The majority of members are being ignored.
Best for people to find a party which actually represents them without wanting to take over someone elses.
Depressingly, the labour party has now been colonised by the kind of paranoid delusional people who regard pretty much everyone as ‘the enemy’
Binners you doth protest too much. Pretty much every little rant you have on here about Corbyn/Labour is a perfect demonstration of the very thing you claim to be against. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good cathartic reactionary rant as much as the next man, but please lets not mistake it for how things actually are.
It is why a cross party solution is needed. Not only to get enough votes but also to give some protection by not making one party the target for the rebound.
Don't be daft, if only the remainers shout loud enough and think of more silly names to call their opponents, they'll give in and we can cancel the whole thing and go back to business as usual.
I think dissonance raises some interesting points. I’ve still not worked out whether I agree or disagree.
On the one hand, you look at how small the centrist Lib Dems are/were and perhaps that’s evidence of how small the centre actually is. On the other, their highest vote share in history came when you had Tories with a red-ish tie under Cameron and Labour with a blue-ish tie and effectively all three were centrist.
Like I said, it’s an interesting point. But I’m not sure past voting preferences provide enough data to answer it
Don’t be daft, if only the remainers shout loud enough and think of more silly names to call their opponents, they’ll give in and we can cancel the whole thing and go back to business as usual.
Both outcomes split both parties, the divide that leaving will cause will be huge and the resentment of not getting what was promised will tarnish both parties.
Remaining hopefully will expose some of the liars and their motives. For quite a few the reality is hitting as to what this is about.
When the police say they have people ready at an hours notice and are calling for politicians to cut the incitement it should be a clue things have gone too far.
The Lib Dem’s poor showing now is down to negative politics, as often seen on here. “Vote Red or you’ll get Tory. Vote Tory or you’ll get that Communist lot in” FPTP always squeezes the 3rd party.
dazh
Depressingly, the labour party has now been colonised by the kind of paranoid delusional people who regard pretty much everyone as ‘the enemy’
Binners you doth protest too much.
Meanwhile kerley said:
moderates (read tories)
And that is why you (both) appear to be part of the problem.
You're like a Dunning-Kruger demonstration applied to politics.
EDIT: It occurs to me that May and Corbyn are better political examples of this, but you are more local.
Back onto the deals for a moment, customs union appears to be brexie kryptonite, they really don't like the idea! Some coming out with it being worse than being a member, have we found a brexit to put to the people that the Brexiters can't support?
People could do much worse than looking at this thread which puts the "brexit in name only" "not really leaving" crowd well in their place. (it was written to educate Piers Morgan, so hes kept it simple).
LINK HERE
On the other, their highest vote share in history came when you had Tories with a red-ish tie under Cameron and Labour with a blue-ish tie and effectively all three were centrist
Which made it easier to vote lib-dem since you were a winner all ways. There was also the very aggressive targeting of the youth vote to boost the numbers and the appeal to people wanting voting reform. Both of which I think will be a tad wary of lib dems now.
That the other two parties were centrist was part of the problem. They were relying on their core voters continuing to vote for them despite shifting away from representing them. Which left those people feeling disenfranchised and looking for alternatives.
Some coming out with it being worse than being a member, have we found a brexit to put to the people that the Brexiters can’t support?
That's possible. A customs union delivers the literal interpretation of the question on the referendum ballot, so MPs can say they have delivered it, but a confirmatory referendum on Customs Union v Remain might well lead to remaining.
Don't think it's been posted yet but heres a link to "Steve Analyst @ EmporersNewC on twitter where he lists all the claims made by the rabid brexiteer crowd leading up to and beyond the EU referendum , for those of you on here saying "we should leave and respect the vote" i suggest you read through his tweets before you post a response
EDIT : fixed broken link
Which made it easier to vote lib-dem since you were a winner all ways.
Only if you were one of the alleged small number of centrists
Look, I’m not sure I disagree with the premise of your original point, I’m just not sure I see the evidence to agree with it either
The Guardian are reporting that the noises coming out of Brussels suggest they've reached their limit with all this nonsense (I'm surprised it took this long) and some countries will be refusing any requests of an extension to Article 50. And it needs to be a unanimous vote. They're just going to let us crash out as it'll be a damn site more damaging to us than to them.
They’re just going to let us crash out as it’ll be a damn site more damaging to us than to them.
You seem to have forgotten how they need us more than we need them.
you look at how small the centrist Lib Dems are/were and perhaps that’s evidence of how small the centre actually is
No I don't believe it is. There are two issues. One is inertia - generally people will vote for one of the two major parties. Two - the percentage votes for LibDem is far higher than the percentage of seats which result and I'm pretty sure that puts people off.
My own opinion based on no evidence other that what I know about the people around me is that most people are in reality wishy, washy, fence sitting moderates.
And that is why you (both) appear to be part of the problem.
I'm not going to make any apologies for having the view that the centrist policies and practices of the new labour era were a failure. They worked for a while for both main parties in terms of winning elections, and also resulted in some good stuff policy-wise, but ultimately they resulted what we are seeing now.
People have seen through the lie that if governments simply do nothing and leave things to private enterprise everyone will benefit. That's why the western neo-liberal model is collapsing around us in the form of brexit, trump, the gilets Jaunes, the rise of the far right in Europe and a whole host of other things. This isn't going to be solved by more of the same empty promises and inaction that moderates offer.
"People have seen through the lie that if governments simply do nothing and leave things to private enterprise everyone will benefit."
spot on - brexit is like Marlon Brando in the wild one "what are you rebellin against? Whaddya got?!"
dazh
They worked for a while for both main parties in terms of winning elections, and also resulted in some good stuff policy-wise, but ultimately they resulted what we are seeing now.
Well thats the rise of the far right explained in a nutshell that is.
Maybe we should ruin their plans by becoming unelectable and losing the chance to put good policies into practice!
Its the only way to show them who's willing to lie down and get walked all over.
And that is why you (both) appear to be part of the problem.
good article on the 'Brincels'
People have seen through the lie that if governments simply do nothing and leave things to private enterprise everyone will benefit. That’s why the western neo-liberal model is collapsing around us in the form of brexit, trump, the gilets Jaunes, the rise of the far right in Europe and a whole host of other things. This isn’t going to be solved by more of the same empty promises and inaction that moderates offer.
For sure - this will come home to roost eventually.
Don’t be daft, if only the remainers shout loud enough and think of more silly names to call their opponents, they’ll give in and we can cancel the whole thing and go back to business as usual.
I don't see neo Nazis lining up alongside remainers or dragging effigies of MP's on ropes by their necks in the street.
Despite my post night ride beer fueled anti Labour rant last night getting gobby, I meant it. Yes, not voting Labour might get me a Tory in my seat, however when they're looking at the aftermath and find a bunch of their supporters have bogged off to the lib Dems, it might make the party consider it's policies a bit more. My remain, PV supporting Labour MP has got me nothing, despite his best efforts, aside from ensuring may didn't get her mandate at the last GE, but look what influence UKIP had on both the Tories and Labour, and how many MPs have they had?
problem is that you either have both parties converging on the middle (remember how newsnight was full of pundits pointing at the similarities of brown and Cameron policies going into 2010?) or both trying to appease the lunatic fringes but because of FPTP you end up supporting either the blue or red loons by default especially with an absent 3rd party
Both parties are now pledging to stop FoM. Consensus politics can centre around nationalism and anti-immigrant politics just as easily as around what people are keen to call "moderate" or "centrist" liberal policies that do not seek to "keep 'em out".
kelvin
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Both parties are now pledging to stop FoM. Consensus
The sad thing is that this wont reduce the immigration levels and will satisfy no one,
-populist policies get us nowhere
problem is that you either have both parties converging on the middle
The even bigger problem is they dont necessarily converge but can start veering one way. As happened when new Labour went rightwards on economics and security and the tories shifted rightwards and so it went on. So that some pretty extreme policies are now seen as centrist.
Happened to a lesser extent with social policies under Cameron although he mostly just lied about it.
Or both parties decending into populist anti immigrant anti EU nonsense… chasing after previously UKIP and BNP voters, and ignoring the rest of us.
I think this Labour v Tories argument has never been so outdated, for me it's more about moderate centrists and the fringes. The reason why successful governments in the UK are often moderate is because that's where most of the population are.
There are good thinkers with good intentions in Labour, the Conseratives, the Lib Dems, the Greens, the SNP and Plaid, TIGs but there will always be reactionary, embittered, loons and greedy bastards in Politics, I mean most people in Politics get into it because they think things should be different. If you can't see that after the last 3-5 years you should probably have a real think about whether you really want someone who looks after your interests the interests of the country as a whole, or whether you just picked a team as a teenager and can't bare to change now.
If you care about Brexit, and you can only wonder why you're here if you don't and really want to remain, or can accept leaving with a very close relationship with the EU and FOM neither of the leadership of Labour or the Tories are fighting your corner. They're just not, they might occasionally try to offer some kind words in regards to Ref2 but they don't want to really. The Leader of Labour is a staunch Euroskeptic and has been almost his entire political career, but his deputy is a staunch remainder as are the bulk of his MPs, the Leader of the Tories is a Remainer of sorts, but is more interested in trying to keep her party together and her at the head of it.
We're not alone though, there is a huge amount of MPs and other Polticians who ARE looking after the interests of Remainers, frankly the only reason why we didn't leave last month is that Remainers are largely united - Leavers are anything but, some want to create a tax haven for Banks, some want to create a workers utopia and some just want to see Rome burn.
Well said
Agreed.
Couldn't agree more P-jay.
Our labour MP is a staunch remainer, in a constituency that voted about the same as the national result with a slight majority to leave. Since then he's been vocally campaiging for a second referendum. He gets loads of 'Enemy of the People' style abuse for doing so.
He was elected at the last election through a big swing to dislodge our previously rabid brexiteer, hang-em-and-flog-em, racist, homophobic Tory
He's a thoroughly decent bloke who has already done loads for our constituancy, so on that basis I'd still vote for him despite my feelings towards the useless labour leadership
And in so doing you condone the party's policies. '80% of voters voted for parties who pledged to respect the result of the referendum'
Thats the dilemma though, isn't it? I live in a marginal consituancy that swings between labour and Tory. What am I supposed to do? I just want the Tories out as I loath them with every fibre of my being. And in a FPTP electoral system I have only one way of contributing to that. To think local, hold my nose and vote labour
No, it’s not obvious. It’s as if the GFA never happened, isn’t it – people still don’t get this stuff. If you’re from NI, you can be British, Irish, or both.
Yes, agreed, but the original post was about "NI citizens", not people born there or residents. You can be an Irish citizen in NI, but if you're an NI citizen, surely that means a citizen of UK of NI & GB. The context of the post was about what NI citizens would do if Ireland became united, and Irish citizens wouldn't have a problem with that.
P-Jay +1
The Guardian are reporting that the noises coming out of Brussels suggest they’ve reached their limit with all this nonsense (I’m surprised it took this long) and some countries will be refusing any requests of an extension to Article 50
They said that last time, and I still don't buy it...what's in it for any country that decides to vote against an extentsion? what would they gain?
…but if you’re an NI citizen, surely that means a citizen of UK of NI & GB.
Absolutely not. Read the GFA. You can be a citizen of NI and absolutely refuse to be a UK citizen. One of the things the GFA enabled that will be destroyed when we Leave the EU… as the UK gov will either have to force UK citizenship on people who are Irish in NI, or give them a lesser status (along with other EU citizens) than UK citizens. The right to be Irish in NI, without being discriminated against, is KEY to the GFA.
Thats the dilemma though, isn’t it? I live in a marginal consituancy that swings between labour and Tory. What am I supposed to do? I just want the Tories out as I loath them with every fibre of my being. And in a FPTP electoral system I have only one way of contributing to that. To think local, hold my nose and vote labour
I've made a stand that I will try to vote for the person who best represents what's best for the UK and the majority at a local level, the last few years have shown me that it's better to have an MP on your side from the 'wrong' party than one that's not from the 'right' one. Party Whips have never been so powerless, Leaders never been so in fear of their MPs.
If I was presented a choice between a Leave Tory and a Leave Labour candidate, I'd vote elsewhere, they may not stand a chance of winning, but the data collected post election could be enough to swing policy,
I wonder how many Remainers voted for Graham Stringer, Kelvin Hopkins or Roger Godsiff, just because they'd always voted Labour, or because Corbyn made some vague promises about Brexit in the lead up to the last GE.
I agree Binners but unless your voice is heard Labour will continue to plough their furrow. Only by moving your vote to a minority party can you influence the majors. That's the way UKIP were so successful.
P-jay
something
I agree entirely, but what to do? It appears no party is united in any way.
With our local elections there is no clear party to vote for. Sure, a few have promised to fix some local issues that the current party have created, but then i'd be condoning the party as a whole on a national level.
It's a mess! Completely disillusioned with the whole thing.
They said that last time, and I still don’t buy it…what’s in it for any country that decides to vote against an extentsion? what would they gain?
Closure and certainty. The EU can move forward and not have to give much thoguht to the UK anymore.
any country that voted against an extension would lose massive political influence with the vast majority that actually want us to stay...for no benefit
Plus no-deal also hurts the EU and its members, albeit less than it hurts us.
any country that voted against an extension would lose massive political influence with the vast majority that actually want us to stay…for no benefit
Do they?
and remember if the UK no deals does that mean it never intends to deal with the EU? Do think the key points of the withdrawal agreement are actually going anywhere?
The UK can walk, but the day they want a deal the UK will be presented with the relevant parts of the withdrawal agreement to sign.
I agree entirely, but what to do? It appears no party is united in any way.
With our local elections there is no clear party to vote for. Sure, a few have promised to fix some local issues that the current party have created, but then i’d be condoning the party as a whole on a national level.
It’s a mess! Completely disillusioned with the whole thing.
I'd argue all but the 2 big ones are fairly united, but do you want a single way of thinking within a party, especially with the FPTP system? I've been guilty of calling the last weeks a real mess, and in certain respects they have been, but really I think they've actually been the way Westminster should work. MPs are doing what they think is best for the UK with a ear to their constituents rather than *just* making childish noises at the other bench at PMQ . My MP represents one of the largest remain majorities in the UK, she has consistently voted in a way they represents us, often at odds with Labour HQ and usually at odds with the Government, isn't that how it should work?
It's not perfect, no system is, but I will vote for how I think is best for the job, and I'll be one of those weird types who e-mails their representative a non-ranty, constructive few lines if/when the need ever arrives. Even if I didn't vote for them.
I’d argue all but the 2 big ones are fairly united
The LibDems are ripping themselves apart over recent Brexit related parliamentary votes… you just haven't heard about it because they are such a peripheral interest right now.
Only by moving your vote to a minority party can you influence the majors. That’s the way UKIP were so successful.
Bit of a lonooong term strategy. I'd say that the party in government has rather more influence over what actually gets done. It was to appease the nutters in the Tory party that there was a referendum. Not the nutter outside.
I’d argue all but the 2 big ones are fairly united, but do you want a single way of thinking within a party, especially with the FPTP system? I’ve been guilty of calling the last weeks a real mess, and in certain respects they have been, but really I think they’ve actually been the way Westminster should work. MPs are doing what they think is best for the UK with a ear to their constituents rather than *just* making childish noises at the other bench at PMQ . My MP represents one of the largest remain majorities in the UK, she has consistently voted in a way they represents us, often at odds with Labour HQ and usually at odds with the Government, isn’t that how it should work?
It’s not perfect, no system is, but I will vote for how I think is best for the job, and I’ll be one of those weird types who e-mails their representative a non-ranty, constructive few lines if/when the need ever arrives. Even if I didn’t vote for them.
Problem is that's not how it's happening. There's numerous MPs that aren't voting in the interest of their constituents, several of my local MPS included. There's also arguments of the parties fundamentals that Brexit has highlighted, which really shouldn't be coming into question. Personally I've never felt more removed from my MP and Westminster.
Not the nutter outside.
It was the threat of MPs leaving the party to join UKIP, and because UKIP were taking votes (and members) from the Conservative party in marginal seats, that really shifted things. It was support for UKIP that transformed the Conservative party, arguing otherwise is… er…
Problem is that’s not how it’s happening. There’s numerous MPs that aren’t voting in the interest of their constituents, several of my local MPS included. There’s also arguments of the parties fundamentals that Brexit has highlighted, which really shouldn’t be coming into question. Personally I’ve never felt more removed from my MP and Westminster.
So don't vote for them again, if enough of your neighbours's thought that way they'll lose and another candidate will be selected. If you're 'usual party' isn't fielding good candidates, vote for another one.
Politics should flow upwards, MPs should be listening to their constituents, parties to their MPs and Leaders so their Party - not the other way around.