[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Should we all hands or something?

I certainly am

That's not my hand.

How can they know at this point?

Farage says UKIP are going nowhere.

Think we can all agree on that one.

They can't. It's just guesswork.

Bookies had remain at 1/7 earlier, so probably just going off the general vibe of the thing.

Edit: 1/12.

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Look don't bring me down THM completely unfounded rumours mean I go to happy, even if I get a crushing blow when I get up tomorrow

I don't have a major problem with the campaigns, the British people are more than capable of reaching an informed decision - noone's thought process is better than anyone else's.

[url= http://www.britishfuture.org/articles/let-the-people-decide/ ]A good summary here.[/url]

Should we all hands or something?

WHat do you want

[s]We shall over come

Kumbaya my lord
Sleep in
dirty protest
What ?[/s]

**** it I got it

Europe the final countdown...it has to be

FLashy to the thread we have some hair metal for your delectation

BBC reporting Farage admits remain may have edged it

Sky had it first as always on election night - BBC are slow.

I posted way ^^^^^, that I wondered whether Boris was Dave's stooge and they'd cut a deal on the leadership.

Long way to go yet to see a result and I won't believe it until I see it. To my mind, did Boris and Gove do a bung on Tuesday? Boris was utterly unconvincing in the debate - came across as a lightweight against Khan, O'Grady and especially Davidson, Farron skewered Gove on "experts", to the point that he even apologised.

I thought they put down their weapons...

Sorry Kimbers - dorm bien!

That's not my hand.

How can they know at this point?

How can they know at this point?

Nobody knows, it's that simple

IDS making interesting point on the fact that turnout of 'normally don't vote' is remarkably high and makes prediction impossible.

Supposedly Boris has conceded already...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-decision-day-polls-remain-leave

But who knows...

Absolutely agree with you Kimbers that this campaign, and the London mayoral charade prior to it, has dragged political discourse in this country to an unimaginabley gutter level.

I've watched in disgust as cabinet ministers have stood in front of TV. Cameras and uttered phrases that would have been at home coming from the lips of a BNP thug in the back room of a flat roofed pub.

People stirring up sentiments like this for their own short term political goals, and to hell with the long term consequences, is something that needs to stop! Before the people who aren't half as clever as they think they are, unleash something that none of us want to see. The history of these kind of tactics is not good!

Boris has conceded already..

EDIT: since when did someone's claim on twitter become actual ****ing news

FFS

Golden opportunity missed to run the old "where's your hand?"/"Between two pillows"/"those aren't pillows" Planes Trains And Automobiles skit.

Ah well...maybe next referendum.

He wil have changed her mind at least 6 times before the actual result is known

Latest news is that he is delighted Remain is ahead as he always knew it was for the best and never really believed in Leave 😉

Has Boris said he was always pro-EU yet?

Wouldn't trust the YouGov poll as far as I could throw it. I have no idea how far one could throw a poll. I tried throwing a pole once. He was a big old brute. I hardly got him off the ground.

I don't like this early confidence - too early by far

(although the Tory VL letter is intriguing)

ninfan - Member

"personally I think the, proper, tory leadership contest is gonny be a right old laugh!"

On the other hand, how is it going to be for Labour if huge swathes of the heartlands vote against the leadership?

Fine I would have thought. What you think ninfan - comparable to the likely Tory infighting ?

IDS just said there's been a record turnout in council estates. I grew up on one in Newcastle, if that's true and typical across the country it's bad news for the non-crazy people among us. The only consolation could be that there aren't many of them left.

The "Please Don't Sack Us" letter has been delivered. 😆

Anyone remember that Scottish referendum where he whole economic argument was on North Sea oil ? See what would have happened - we'd be Greece.
As usual it's a situation where if you feel the status quo is for you the implication is you are satisfied. Personally, I'm not but I'm also not exactly convinced that the leave scenario is well enough defined. I'd prefer to work with what we have than chuck it under the bus.

binners - Member
Absolutely agree with you Kimbers that this campaign, and the London mayoral charade prior to it, has dragged political discourse in this country to an unimaginabley gutter level.

https://twitter.com/lewisiwu/status/746076633644281856

im guessing they already know the postal results, other than that just guesswork

unless they know about the MI5/pencil conspiracy............!!

if that's true and typical across the country it's bad news for the non-crazy people among us.

Yep, bad news...

What you think ninfan - comparable to the likely Tory infighting ?

I think that those expecting a night of the long knives are going to be sorely disappointed, and that they will come out of this stronger, as despite a few bruises, everyone will blame Farage for the loss and the issue will have been settled. Nobody on either side of the party will be calling for a rerun anytime soon.

Ah well...maybe next referendum.

And for the record research suggests both referendums and referenda are acceptable plurals or referendum.

I personally prefer referenda, but I fully accept that there may be a spectrum of views on this vital matter, and I say vive the différence. 😉

everyone will blame Farage for the loss and the issue will have been settled

this

IDS was mocking him with 5mins of the BBC coverage starting

i think the Tories will be bitter, in or out, Osbornes even less likely to become PM, so there will be some infighting for the leadership, until it falls to BoJo, unless theres an anti-establishment right wing version of Corbyn waiting in the Tory wings

Anyone remember that Scottish referendum where he whole economic argument was on North Sea oil ? See what would have happened - we'd be Greece.

It wasn't and we wouldn't.

Nobody on either side of the party will be calling for a rerun anytime soon.

I don't know. I mean if we can avoid the vote and the nastiness, seeing Boris getting taken apart on telly was fun.

I know I shouldn't laugh, seeing as I brought it up - but man that's funny.

...but did you watch that Bears game last week? 8)

Great game!

Nervous or excited?

Me

Nervous.... If Sunderland are rushing to get their result out first, and it probably is a Leave vote even though Nissan would prefer stay.... What chances for the rest of the country to be pragmatic?

they will come out of this stronger

Well that's a nice consolation prize for you ninfan - the Tories will come out stronger after this EU campaign.

And for the record research suggests both referendums and referenda are acceptable plurals or referendum.

There is a suggestion that referenda is an acceptable word, but with a different meaning to referendums. The former, based on a plural of the gerundive meaning a single vote on multiple issues, the latter meaning multiple votes.

In or Out this Referendum has damaged the country

That's what they said about Scotland and we're getting on just fine.

Nervous.... If Sunderland are rushing to get their result out first, and it probably is a Leave vote even though Nissan would prefer stay.... What chances for the rest of the country to be pragmatic?

I was more surprised by the prediction that Newcastle would vote in.

Surely Farage will secretly be delighted if we have voted Remain. If we voted out he would have no job to go back to.

[quote=NZCol ]Anyone remember that Scottish referendum where he whole economic argument was on North Sea oil ?No. Did I miss that one?

In or Out this Referendum has damaged the country

This is pretty cool (and under reported) if true;

Castle Point... BBC's 2nd highest proportion to Leave

Now a good part of Castle Point is made up of good(bad) old Canvey Island, which was part reclaimed from the Thames by Dutch Engineers back in a by gone age.... So if it wasn't for European migrant workers half the place wouldnt exist

Duncan Smith and his weird obsession with council estates. 😡

everyone will blame Farage for the loss

[url= http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/ten-handy-phrases-bluffing-way-referendum-night/ ]I will talk to ths tonight.[/url]

So if it wasn't for European migrant workers half the place wouldnt exist

dont be trying to reconcile brexiters and logic, your head will implode

Kimbers.... Grew up there and got out as quick as my legs could carry me, 20 odd years ago.

Thank god

farage now unconceded
lots of VL seem to be conceding, and in post remain win damage limmitaion 'moving forward' mode

Urgh, piss off Carswell

Bizarre to be conceding/unconceding (like his unresignation, lol) with no areas declared

There is a little bit of me that wants a marginal exit vote to win, so I can sit on my high horse for the next 10 years while the great unwashed get even poorer and I can keep repeating "I ******** told you"

There is a little bit of me that wants a marginal exit vote to win, so I can sit on my high horse for the next 10 years while the great unwashed get even poorer and I can keep repeating "I ******** told you"

good article in tomorrow's FT by Philip Stephens on the perils of populism and how social media has muddied the waters between prejudice and facts.

One of the more revealing moments of the Brexit campaign came when Michael Gove, a Conservative Outer once close to Prime Minister David Cameron, said: “People in this country have had enough of experts.” [b]There it is: a celebration of ignorance that writes the opening line of the populists’ playbook. [/b]How long before Mr Gove, a former education secretary, is piling books on to bonfires?

Modern democracies operate within a framework of rationalism. [b]Dismantle it and the space is filled by prejudice. Fear counts above reason; anger above evidence. Lies claim equal status with facts. [/b]Soon enough, migrants — and Muslims especially — replace heretics and witches as the targets of public rage.

Well said. He concludes that there was a genuine debate to be had about the EU but that we never had it. Spot on on both counts.

A 55/45 Scottish result didn't put the issue to bed as far as the SNP are concerned

Tory VL letter is focused on cabinet ministers - it may well have been a condition of allowing them to campaign for Leave. If 50 back benchers challenge their has to be a leadership election

Intereting the IOW is heavily Leave - it was in the past Lib Dem

farage now unconceded

Its all "reported" with no source - just made up ?

Thanks Wrecker I am filling up....

Thanks Wrecker I am filling up ...

Double post what a night

ooo, who's going to be first off the mark with the first result then. Get your posts ready...

Its all "reported" with no source - just made up ?

the original flounce was in an interview with sky

jambalaya - Member 
farage now unconceded
Its all "reported" with no source - [b]just made up [/b]?

How appropriate 😉

Just in from the Pub and standing by!

Farage had apparently conceded to Sky News reporter and Boris might or might not have, it's all based on turnout apparently, which I'm half-smugly going to say I said would happen when it was announced: The Brexiters or EuroSceptics as they used to be called and Kippers especially have always been very loud and very determined - UKIP don't win MEP jobs because the majority of people like them, they win because not enough people care about it - the 'all' the remain camp had to do was get enough people to be bothered to vote as I believe the majority of people are more liberal and more in favour of the EU, they just don't get all hot and bothered about it.

Going to bed now, fingers and toes crossed I don't wake up to a leave vote, Black Friday won't be a good start to anyone's weekend.

@faisalislam
IN sources say two late poll shifts: 1. status quo reversion on economy 2. Core Labour Remain turnout soars on revulsion at Leave tactics

Brilliant THM ! 😀

jambalaya

farage now unconceded

Its all "reported" with no source - just made up ?

jambalaya
Intereting the IOW is heavily Leave

Have they declared? I missed that.

1st result in

96% for remain

ok its Gibraltar, but still nice to see

Gibraltar 96% remain.

Can we just leave it there?

kimbers wins

I've got a horrible feeling about this.

A 55/45 Scottish result didn't put the issue to bed as far as the SNP are concerned

[u]marginal[/u] win for remain in newcastle- not good !

It's nights like this I wish the forum had better Twitter integration. There's some gold out there tonight.

Just read:

"Gibraltar announces before Sunderland. A rock beats a hard place."

😆

No still squeaky bum time indeed

Class! 🙂