[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Brexit - pie and mash
Remain - bratwurst und kartoffelsalat

It seems to me that Brexit means no pizza or baguettes in the future, but curry, chinese, mexican, etc. would still be available.

Re, the exit poll question. I understand from an article I posted a link to somewhere (can't remember, too many threads) that an exit poll in this instance wouldn't provide meaningful results. GE exit polls only work because the voting pattern can be compared with previous elections and a swing calculated.

BTW, did the Electoral Commission really use the term "achingly close"?

Oppps! Look at the body language of the young BritLand PM who is a bit like lamb to slaughter innit.

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And those shades of grey are not on offer in the referendum.

Of course they are - there is plenty of information to come to a conclusion - I am very comfortable being a highly skeptical remainer and plenty others are as well.

But generally you are searching for a political utopia - there is no consistent block to side with - the Swedes were on side but then they lost power, the Dutch are potentially keen but don't want to play into Wilders hands and are stuck with the Euro, etc etc. There is no good time as there are constant small changes in the dynamics - Cameron has done ok, not great but OK.

Cameron has done ok, not great but OK

Id hate to see what his failure looks like.

Even "Count Dracula" said so ...

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it is almost certain that some constituent parts of the UK have voted to leave the EU while others have voted to remain, opening up a constitutional crisis lasting far beyond Friday morning.

How is that any different from large parts of the country voting for different parties and governments in power with less than 50% of the vote

So the EU is both Marxist and neo-liberal, is it?

Hmm.

Result of the Referendum (though I'm guessing we'll all know by then anyway) will be announced in Manchester Town Hall.

Cameron backbone - he had the courage to hold two very contentiius referendums. I doubt we'll ever see that again

BB, quite.
The only constitutionally (even slightly) capable region would be Scotland, and they're very much in.

As Jeremy Cliffe (at the Economist) describes it: there's an increasing cosmopolitan/non-cosmopolitan rift across the nation.

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any forex-ers here who can provide a link to "nearly" live EUR:GBP currency graph?

molgrips - Member
So the EU is both Marxist and neo-liberal, is it?

Hmm.

It's the perfect bogeyman for all loonies.

So the EU is both Marxist and neo-liberal, is it?

Yep, I think it was Marx who said that the means of production, distribution, and exchange, should be in private hands.

He would nod approvingly at EU directives which dictate that government services should be opened up to for-profit organisations.

molgrips - Member

So the EU is both Marxist and neo-liberal, is it?

Hmm.

The EU being just like the Soviet Union....

any forex-ers here who can provide a link to "nearly" live EUR:GBP currency graph?

http://www.xe.com/

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It's the perfect bogeyman for all loonies.

Because of course anyone who doesn't subscribe to the neo-liberal agenda of privatizing everything is some sort of loony.

cheers TG

It's the perfect bogeyman for all loonies.

Aristotle +1 - everyone should know that by now

I thought the hedgies had cornered the market in exit polls.

Stoner why trade direction, be long volatility?

any forex-ers here who can provide a link to "nearly" live EUR:GBP currency graph?

http://www.hifx.co.uk/marke****ch.aspx

EU are speaking in forked tongue ...

You mean they're a bunch of cowboys ?

I think you may need to convince this bloke.

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no trading. Not even hedging summer holiday money. Just intrigued as to market volatility over course of day following opinion polls.

ernie_lynch - Member

Because of course anyone who doesn't subscribe to the neo-liberal agenda of privatizing everything is some sort of loony.

I didn't say that. Loonies of all persuasions seem to hate the EU.

[b]Bow to your new elite master overlord bosses ...[/b]

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cheers slowoldman, even better site.

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I didn't say that. Loonies of all persuasions seem to hate the EU.

Well if you are opposed to the neo-liberal agenda opposing the EU makes a lot of sense. I don't think it provides evidence that you are some kind of loony.

I question the sanity of those who claim to be socialist and yet support the EU.

It's a bit like claiming that you're going to vote Tory after saying that you despise everything that the Tories have done.

"You need to speak to someone" would be my suggestion.

The last opinion poll had leave in front by a point

The bookies odds suggest Remain will be a clear winner

The financial markets are stable with nothing to suggest Leave winning

99% of people who I've heard or read opinions from are firmly in Remain

All very tense

People who have a hatred of the "neo-liberal agenda" dislike the EU intensely.

People who hate "socialists" dislike the EU intensely.

People who have a Nationalist bent dislike the EU intensely.

Racists dislike the EU.

The ignorant hate the EU because they don't know what "intensely" means, that Nigel Farage fella likes a pint and he,
"tells it like it is"(n't).

Normal people who don't believe the EU to be perfect, but believe that it is better to be in the EU than out of it, and would prefer to maintain the status quo, rather than "take a punt" on leaving, for any of the reasons listed above, don't dislike the EU intensely.

pound was up then down
so does that mean markets thought remain this morning, brexit this afternoon or no one has a freaking clue?

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Given that:

i) poor weather has a well recorded negative effect on voter turnout

ii) polls suggest that voters in the SE of England are more heavily pro EU than other regions of the U.K.

I am formally claiming that we are currently witnessing an act of divine intervention in favour of Brexit

BoardinBob - Member

99% of people who I've heard or read opinions from are firmly in Remain

That depends upon who you read and socialise with.

80% of voters in SE are currently stuck between J9-13 on M25

Aristotle - glorious x court forehand after E's netted sliced backhand 40:
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99% of people who I've heard or read opinions from are firmly in Remain

That depends upon who you read and socialise with.

Maybe you should befriend a random selection of racists?

Aristotle - Member

People who have a hatred of the "neo-liberal agenda" dislike the EU intensely.

People who hate "socialists" dislike the EU intensely.

People who have a Nationalist bent dislike the EU intensely.

Racists dislike the EU.

The ignorant hate the EU because they don't know what "intensely" means, that Nigel Farage fella likes a pint and he,
"tells it like it is"(n't).

Normal people who don't believe the EU to be perfect, but believe that it is better to be in the EU than out of it, and would prefer to maintain the status quo, rather than "take a punt" on leaving, for any of the reasons listed above, don't dislike the EU intensely.

I see, "normal people" don't think the EU is perfect but want to remain in it.

Obviously I'm some sort of loony because I don't support the neo-liberal agenda and therefore want to leave the EU.

💡

Perhaps UK courts could save both time and a small fortune by instead of requesting psychiatric reports simply asking the accused how they feel about the EU ?

ernie_lynch - Member

Obviously I'm some sort of loony because I don't support the noe-liberal agenda and therefore want to leave the EU.

Well you do appear to be a member of one of the groups referred to in my hypothesis

Perhaps UK courts could save both time and a small fortune by instead of requesting psychiatric reports simply asking the accused how they feel about the EU ?

We discussed something along these lines earlier today. As an idea it does have legs.

Maybe you should befriend a random selection of racists?

I spoke to four people on my trip to the polling station (and sarnie shop) and they were all pro Brexit. Currently wondering if any European countries will offer sanctuary?

Well you do satisfy one the criteria set out in my hypothesis.

Don't I just.

In fact I can sense my eyes swiveling as I type

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ernie_lynch - Member

Don't I just.

In fact I can sense my eyes swiveling as I type

Thanks for your honesty 😉

Well I've always said that if you can't be honest when it comes to politics then change your politics.

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And what is that supposed to illustrate with regard to the UK and the EU?

ernie_lynch - Member
Well I've always said that if you can't be honest when it comes to politics then change your politics.

G,S & M.

Barley waters all round.

Markets are responding to bookies' odds not polls

And what is that supposed to illustrate with regard to the UK and the EU?

Not much - mostly just an object lesson in misuse of statistics.

DrJ - Member - Quote
And what is that supposed to illustrate with regard to the UK and the EU?
Not much - mostly just an object lesson in misuse of statistics.

+1

Chewkw = ElfinSafety

And what is that supposed to illustrate with regard to the UK and the EU?

It shows that our membership has really dragged the EU down and if we really love it we should set it free.

Is that it?

@Aristotle that the EU is not where the action is. Its a low growth area (stangnant I have called it) and as Obama has done with the US it makes sense to focus East to the higher growth markets.

Not long back from voting and my mind hadn't been changed. #Vote Brexit

Okay ... this is Peugeot ...

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I think it means emergent markets have emerged and global capitalism is global
I think that is it but all this economics talk is confusing me

Even war commander thinks so ...

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Given that:

i) poor weather has a well recorded negative effect on voter turnout

ii) polls suggest that voters in the SE of England are more heavily pro EU than other regions of the U.K.

I am formally claiming that we are currently witnessing an act of divine intervention in favour of Brexit

Kind of poetic that the bad weather is travelling up from France.

Okay ... this is Peugeot ...

That would be Peugeot who recently said:
"This is something we can do nothing about. The people of the UK must make their own decisions. The business risk comes from a loss of revenue around currency and trading. The situation is that if the pound weakens and hits profits, then prices will rise to compensate. Ultimately, we hope the UK will stay - we see that as better than it fighting for itself." (Source: [url= http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/brexit-77-uk-motor-industry-wants-britain-remain-eu ]AutoTrader, "77% of UK motor industry wants Britain to remain in EU"[/url])

Oh and meanwhile in 2007:
http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/en/projects/united-kingdom/the-7stanes-a-mountain-bike-infrastructure-project

Less cars more bikes 😉

At the end of a major recession - the EU "only" accounts for 1/5 of the world's output. What a pointless place to focus on. Run away......

With emerging markets slowing and Europe recovering it will be interested where this stagnant market is in a few years!

I'll have a pound of those nice cherries please 😉

In 1972 BritLand ex-PM Edward Heath (was he called "Teddy boy" Heath?) sold out BritLand to save weak Europeans ...

But now EU bureaucrats as they grow stronger is attempting a "reverse take" over?

I mean have BritLand regressed after all this years?

Good illustration here ...

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-- https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/27923829339

Narrowing:

In 1/6
Out 4/1

Lets hope he stays in the pub

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chewkw - Member

Okay ... this is Peugeot ...

I don't know why as a Tory/UKIP voter you appear to have a problem with that Chewwy.

With higher unemployment and lower wages it made perfect sense for Peugeot to move to Slovakia.

high unemployment + low wages = greater profits.

Have you gone all soft and left-wing? Can we expect you to start talking about "greedy profit-hungry" companies next?

Good illustration here ...

chewkw: If you'd stop just spamming leave.eu images for a ten seconds you could do a bit of googling and see a lot of that is either completely made up or distinctly sketchy half-truths.

Lets hope he stays in the pub

I'm sure he's gone home since 20 oct 2010

I like The Spectator picture of one the funny guy.

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GrahamS - Member
chewkw: If you'd stop just spamming leave.eu images for a ten seconds you could do a bit of googling and see a lot of that is either completely made up or distinctly sketchy half-truths.

They think you lot are wrong and they have better logic then you lot.

Well he seems to have a blazer and clearly knows how to hold a pint......obviously a UKIP member.

This doesn't cover everything but everything on it has been on here except dogs - [url= http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/ten-things-watch-out-eu-referendum-polling-day ]ten-things-watch-out-eu-referendum-polling-day[/url]

😀

[b]"Swedes tell Britain: if you leave the EU, we’ll follow"[/b]
[url= http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/swedes-tell-britain-if-you-leave-the-eu-well-follow/ ]From The Spectator ... [/url]
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Thank you mefty that made me chuckle.

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They think you lot are wrong and they have better logic then you lot.

Fair enough - all you have convinced me of is that there are lots of Leave arguments based on lies, spin and angry facebook picture memes.

Which is a shame because you've undermined and drowned out the far more convincing and carefully considered arguments that more serious Leavers have put forward.

[b]The Spectator podcast: The Spectator backs Brexit[/b]

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[url= http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/out-and-into-the-world-why-the-spectator-is-for-leave/ ]The reasons ... [/url]

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If it does go the way of leave, have we got a date for the second referendum yet?

Chewy posted:

Yep. Norway are subject to EU regulations, including freedom of movement, and they pay into the EU, but they have no say or influence in these regulations.

And you are posting that as a [i]good thing[/i]??? 😯

Yeah that sounds great I'm sure your fellow Brexitters will jump at that.

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Chewkw - i think you are running out of ideas if that is meant to support leave.
Or is this the first step in a massive Edinburgh defence?