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This Labour leadership reached their high water mark at the last election. They'll get taken apart if there's an election now. Anyone who voted for them to take away May's mandate will likely desert then after their performance over the last couple of years, and the Tories, toady ****s that they are, will consolidate, because it's been shown, again, that it really doesn't matter who you vote for, the government still get in.
As my Labour MP said 'if we have a general election now, we'll get slaughtered'
Time for Corbyn to shit or get off the pot.
& Kawczynzsky is blatantly & shamelessly lying, but no one in the media seems to want to properly challenge him on it
Twitter is awash with journalists challenging it - which is where the claim was made - but ignoring Twitter would markedly improve most political coverage.
I’ll bet it’s a Unic’s based solution 😉
That's the funniest thing I've ever read on the Internet, today. Well played.
Time for Corbyn to shit or get off the pot.
Yep, he brought Labour back to being based on Labour principles again and got new support but he hasn't got a clue about playing the politics game or thinking how things will look or be played by the media or Tory party.
Shamelessly lifted from the Guardian comments today.
'The Government could have bought Sunderland Messi for #80 million. That would have boosted the economy'.
Are there any companies that have expressed an interest in moving to the UK post Brexit, so they can benefit from Brexit and our promised Brexit dividend?
If true - surely the best reason yet to revoke article 50...
https://twitter.com/RosChappell/status/1092234489105915912
UK to wave EU goods through unchecked in no deal brexit..
The EU will never reciprocate, but great news for smugglers on the continent.. "what was in those 8 containers you shipped last month?"
"err... bog roll mate, honest".
#takeback control.
"Taking control of our borders"?
"The EU will never reciprocate, but great news for smugglers on the continent.. “what was in those 8 containers you shipped last month?”
“err… bog roll mate, honest”.
#takeback control."
listen, if that means more affordable drugs, weapons and contraband on our British streets then I for one am all for that. Finally some good news.
The EU will never reciprocate
Interesting, what happens at the NI/RoI border if goods is waved through on our side, and then the EU checks it, surely that's them imposing a hard border and breaching the GFA?
I’m going to start smoking again once I can get 200 Bensons for a tenner, down the pub
Let the people trafficking begin.... those potatoes won't pick themselves!
Interesting, what happens at the NI/RoI border if goods is waved through on our side, and then the EU checks it, surely that’s them imposing a hard border and breaching the GFA?
What happens if we start to import crap from around the world and stop following EU rule book then they have to impose hard border because of our actions (we force their breaking of GFA).
Mmmmmm... chlorine washed chicken
Another way to put it would be a military coalition.
Mutualy agreed, with each country having a veto or abstaining from using thier own forces.
How very democratic.
One does have to wonder what corbyns perogative is.
He wants socialism but only in engeraland? And only on his terms?
Jeremy!!!
Wow a bung as well as tax breaks for Nissan, no wonder they didn't want to publish the letter. And you thought you'd seen the back of British Leyland in the seventies.
A bit like the railways fiasco, which is still subsidised to sum tune. Still it's cheap for the end user, both directly and in directly isn't it!
A bit like the railways fiasco, which is still subsidised to sum tune. Still it’s cheap for the end user, both directly and in directly isn’t it!
The figure will look like peanuts compared to the problems when production scales back. There are knock on's all over the place from that and some that might be impacting us at some point in the future.
But back on track it's seems good that people are spending their time searching Corbyn's past, good job the PM's skeletons are all out in the open for people to see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_African-Caribbean_people#Windrush_scandal
But in reality another week and nothing has happened, no new deal, no renegotiation, some veiled threats to the EU from cabinet ministers and nothing changes, I guess you could say May in simply enabling a no deal crash and burn strategy here, she certainly seems completely complicit in it.
Can I smell a retraction?
I can hope.
Another thing I am slightly puzzled by is maybot insurance that she delivers the will of the people and how brexit is so important theres a ****ing list as long as the transpennine trail of things the people have asked for in the past and none of it has ever happened or been important enough for her government to giveashit about.
Another thing I am slightly puzzled by is maybot insurance that she delivers the will of the people
Sarcasm smiley missing? It's only about tryi g to remain in power and deal with the lunatics in her party
He wants socialism but only in engeraland? And only on his terms?
Well it woudld be pretty difficult for him to change the whole free market EU to socialism wouldn't it...
Arlene Foster has just been interviewed o Radio 4.It went exactly as expected.
I really can't think of a more backward-looking, intransigent, self-serving and generally unpleasant human being to hold such a huge amount of influence. Given that she's presently lined up with the ERG headbangers in holding May to ransom I wouldn't hold out much hope of any progress. These people are totally incapable of compromise, and they know, full well, that May will cave in to them every single time.
Arlene might as well have stood in front of a big UVF Red Hand flag with an AK-47, shouted NO SURRENDER, then invoked the spirit of Ian Paisley and shot a catholic taxi driver from Dundalk.
No Deal, here we come! Because these ****ers absolutely will not budge, no matter what the cost to everyone else
Be interesting to hear how May squares the will of the people whilst in NI today when the majority there voted to stay in the EU and not for the Dup dinosaur policies.
Edit for the binners post, Foster is one of the great drivers for a united Ireland. Who with youth, hope and experience of multiculturalism on their side would want bigots like her and her wood pellet burning ilk running the show
I really can’t think of a more backward-looking, intransigent, self-serving and generally unpleasant human being to hold such a huge amount of influence. Given that she’s presently lined up with the ERG headbangers in holding May to ransom I wouldn’t hold out much hope of any progress. These people are totally incapable of compromise.And they know full well that May will cave in to them every single time.
Arlene might as well have stood in front of a big UVF Red Hand flag with an AK-47, shouted NO SURRENDER, then invoked the spirit of Ian Paisley, and shot a catholic taxi driver from Dundalk.
No Deal, here we come! Because these ****ers absolutely will not budge, no matter what the cost to everyone else
Can't have been as surreal as the 20 something American politics democrat house junior pointing out that the American government will not allow Ireland to return to the troubles of the past....FFS it happened before you read about it in college moron let alone were born
And these are the idiots we will have to get deeper into bed with
😄 For mike
Mays only aim in all this is to stop the tories splitting. Nothing else. To keep them together she has to placate the ERG headbangers. She will not do a deal on a soft brexit which would get a lot of support from labour and be the lest damaging leave option and quite possibly get a majority in the commons because the hard right will split off. Its party before country every time
@Mike - to be fair nobody here is supporting TM, as everyone agrees she is tory first, country second. Jezza on the other hand doesn't appear to effectively oppose HM Governments tory inspired ideological Brexit with any real conviction.
UK to wave EU goods through unchecked in no deal brexit..
> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-ports-eu-goods-customs-checks-calais-dover-hmrc-theresa-may-a8762591.html <
And that's more or less what happens to 90% of ROW goods movements.
The Independent in shoddy journalism shocker.
American politics democrat house junior pointing out that the American government will not allow Ireland to return to the troubles of the past….FFS it happened before you read about it in college moron let alone were born
Tbf it was their constituents who were funding the IRA back then.
I was surprised by the pro IRA sentiment when I visited South Boston in the mid 90s.
As for Maybot she's running the clock down, hoping someone will blink, meanwhile we will all have to bear the costs as contingencies are activated & millions of citizens have the uncertainty of their status dragged out
FFS it happened before you read about it in college moron let alone were born
Yes we should all only be allowed an opinion if we have been alive at the time FFS.....
Perhaps May is just making sure her plan for a new centre ground party is properly in place before revoking A50 and forcing the collapse of the ERG and tory party.
Or not.
So, two years ago, there was a consultation which delivered a decision to leave the E.U. Signed, sealed, final and delivered.
The result of the next two years of detailed negotiation at the highest level resulted in an agreed withdrawal. Signed, sealed, final and delivered.
I’ve yet to see or hear any commentary which asks of the Brexiters, why is it, according to you, that the first is unchangeable and set in stone, but the second is somehow available to be opened and reconsidered?
An entire country held to ransom by incompetents, hypocrites and idiots.
Tick. Tock. 😬🤔🤯🤮
You know how our economy is massively biased toward the service sector? Latest news shows that is stalling/stagnating now too. Project Fear no doubt.
https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/601e7f3fa56a41dc92c77fae69e2e4b1
Chris Williamson, Chief Business Economist at IHS
Markit, which compiles the survey:
“The latest PMI survey results indicate that the UK economy
is at risk of stalling or worse as escalating Brexit uncertainty
coincides with a wider slower slowdown in the global
economy."
Woppit, let’s not forget the chequers deal that the cabinet signed.
They read the papers, they knew what they were signing then a couple of days later they changed their minds .
They get another go , why can’t we?
Is there any light at the end of the tunnel that isn’t an oncoming train.
Things seem very bleak.
May was allowed to change her mind about the own deal
She came back with a deal that she'd spent 2 years negotiating, then pretty much immediately supported an amendment by one of here own MP's which would scupper it, as she didn't like it any more herself.
Surely something that is without precedent in political history?
There's still a chance parliament will come together to stop no deal. May doesn't have much clout really and nor does Corbyn.
I am certain a " remain in the customs union and single market" deal would get 400+ mps voting for it on a free vote.
Yes we should all only be allowed an opinion if we have been alive at the time FFS…..
Or maybe lived there eh dickhead
In a sane country, with a functioning political system, you'd sort of expect that to be the case, wouldn't you Molls?
Does this presently look like a sane country, with a functioning political system to you?
Tories gearing up to blame the EU.
As I said over a week ago, it done, we are leaving with no deal - what is going on now is theatrics to make it look as though the conservatives are trying. It gives them cover for allowing this to happen, by placing the blame with the EU.
Once the economy tanks and they are finished blaming the EU, they will scare everyone witless over Jeremy and convince people to vote for a further round of austerity cuts and tax cuts to stop businesses from fleeing.
As I said over a week ago, it done, we are leaving with no deal
... and what will the solution be for the Itish border under no deal? No deal is not some kind of Get Out of Brexit Free card.
As I said over a week ago
Plenty of people called this 2 years ago… I still hope that you're wrong… but see no evidence at all that you are.
It is possible that building up blame for the EU could be a means to save face whilst delaying A50 or something else.
Those american representatives not going to make it easy for UK to welch on the backstop
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1092718256933273600
There’s still a chance parliament will come together to stop no deal.
How?
As has been said a million times, No Deal is the default. To stop it you need to replace it with something. To do that you need a) a vote on something, and b) a majority in favour of that something. Do you see any sign of that happening?
I wonder if the Nissan announcement to transfer Qashqai production to Japan is more linked to the Nissan-Renault boss being investigated in Japan than Brexit?
May is depending on the Grieves & soubrys along with the rump of Labour MPs voting for Mays deal at the last minute to avoid No Deal.
She will have 'succeeded'
the brexiteers can pretend that it wouldve all been better if it had gone to a No Deal
& Labour will be blasted at the polls for enabling the Tory Brexit.
Followed by a snap election which will see the Tories win a narrow majority under Raab or similar
I wonder if the Nissan announcement to transfer Qashqai production to Japan is more linked to >insert squirrel< than Brexit?
Another model to be made in Japan rather than UK!? I missed that announcement… or are you just predicting some news from later this year?
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I wonder if the Nissan announcement to transfer Qashqai production to Japan is more linked to the Nissan-Renault boss being investigated in Japan than Brexit?
not gonna be that much of an issue, Diesel sales fall is a bigger worry but as Japan has just signed a trade deal with the EU , as it currently stands an X-Trail will be £2000 more expensive to sell to the EU from the UK than from Japan & the bulk of Nissans cars made here are sold to the EU.
We also lose the trade deals we have with every other nation that we'd sell to.
As it stands Liam Fox has signed exactly 0 trade deals & only a couple are apparently close (chile & switzerland I believe).
Plus the majority of parts in cars assembled in Britain are made elsewhere in the world so the tarifs on them are unknown as well.
Ahh… the diesel squirrel … ignoring that the x-trail petrol hybrid is now going to being built, for the EU Market, in Japan not Sunderland. This investment is all about moving away from diesel… whereas the move away from UK manufacturing is all about us being outside the Single Market and Customs Union, without even a basic FTA in place. Our politicans (and vox pop idiots) are telling Nissan to invest elsewhere to facilitate the changes required to satisfy shifts in fuel use… and then seeking to claim that the move to not invest in this country is all about something that is actually one of the main motivations of the investment in the first place.
Chile and Switzerland
So we are going to be doing a roaring trade in Nazi gold, stolen artwork and the gold teeth of dead Jews?
Now, do we still genuinely think that hybrid Qashqai production really will stay in UK (outside EU) long term? If I worked at Nissan, I'd be looking elsewhere now, not later.
May is depending on the Grieves & soubrys along with the rump of Labour MPs voting for Mays deal at the last minute to avoid No Deal.
Blackmail in case the bribery doesn't work.
As has been said a million times, No Deal is the default. To stop it you need to replace it with something. To do that you need a) a vote on something, and b) a majority in favour of that something. Do you see any sign of that happening?
The only thing that will force the issue is the real prospect of no deal and the self preservation of those MP's who will be defending their position if they are fighting a general election with food and medicine shortages.
A conversation with my [Leave voting] mother last night brought up the Nissan thing. Apparently Nissan have issued a statement saying it is not related to Brexit, but down to Diesel standards in the EU being raised after the VW scandal. She's also labelled the EU 'evil' and seeking to punish the UK for daring to take back sovereignty.
I have suggested that we should not talk about the subject again.
So we are going to be doing a roaring trade in Nazi gold, stolen artwork and the gold teeth of dead Jews?
Err?
Apparently Nissan have issued a statement saying it is not related to Brexit, but down to Diesel standards in the EU being raised after the VW scandal.
The meme is everywhere … and bullshit.
Perfect example of how "news" gets twisted before it gets to the ears/eyes of most people. BBC included a focus on Diesel when they reported it… without mention of hybrids, or the new EU&Japan FTA… journalists are feeding the fire, if only by the sin of omission.
And as for the heavy use of "man in the street" vox pops in place of industry insiders explaining what is going on… …it's like a feedback loop of misinformation.
Can someone post that rees mogg common people video.
Is there any light at the end of the tunnel that isn’t an oncoming train.
No. Good luck.
The DUP accusing others of intransigence is probably the funniest thing I've seen so far with this farce. Chris Grayling will be accusing the EU of incompetence next..
I did nearly spit my coffee over my keyboard when I heard the representative of a party who have steadfastly refused to change of modernise to accommodate anything but their own bigoted worldview since 1690, accuse the EU of 'Intransigence'
My irony filter just exploded!
The DUP accusing others of intransigence is probably the funniest thing I’ve seen so far with this farce. Chris Grayling will be accusing the EU of incompetence next..
It would be funny if a sizeable number of grown ups weren't just taking it at face value.
Good lord - we're not even worthy of a proper political spin doctor any more.
It seems to me that the Nissan saga is the perfect excuse for the British press to slag off the EU but they haven't.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/eu-japan-economic-partnership-agreement/
Thanks to the new EU-Japan deal the Japanesse can manufacture proper reliable Nissans in Japan and ship them to Europe rather than having to rely on complex logistics to assemble them in Sunderland.
The only thing that will force the issue is the real prospect of no deal and the self preservation of those MP’s who will be defending their position if they are fighting a general election with food and medicine shortages.
OK but I don't see how this happens. How do you get a thought-out proposal put to a vote, and get a majority to back it? MPs are pretending that they can continue to back (Tory) or not vigorously oppose (Labour) May and that something will emerge somehow to save them. It won't. We're doomed!! (as someone once said).
The only thing that will force the issue is the real prospect of no deal and the self preservation of those MP’s who will be defending their position if they are fighting a general election with food and medicine shortages.
The Tory's genuinely don't care about anything other than the Tory party as they look at whats apparently the opposition and think 'well we can't possibly lose to that, so why worry'.
Corbyn has decided that the party line is to just let them get on with it, (wrongly) assuming that the Tory's will be held entirely responsible for the chaos (they won't, the blame will be spread around the entire political establishment).
I think they're both being unbelievably complacent, and they're taking for granted that the population, once we crash out (which now looks inevitable), will just tut and shrug and get on with things in the 'Spirit of the Blitz'
As opposed to....
I think this time they're in for a shock. And I can't see a reduced demoralised police force being in any rush to defend our lords and masters from the baying mobs
OK but I don’t see how this happens. How do you get a thought-out proposal put to a vote, and get a majority to back it? MPs are pretending that they can continue to back (Tory) or not vigorously oppose (Labour) May and that something will emerge somehow to save them. It won’t. We’re doomed!! (as someone once said).
End of time limit, no chance of extension which I'm seeing reports of that being the EU position (May's Deal, No deal or No Brexit) final vote ends up with a majority amendment to allow a No Brexit Option. That is the only path that doesn't involve the government going down.
Tony Blair has a piece in the guardian giving a reasoned argument on why parliament is stuck on the Brexit decision.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/05/brexit-closure-theresa-may-deal-eu
You may or may not agree with him or indeed anything he says but I think a calm reasoned analysis from someone on the 'outside' is interesting.
He mentions that even if May gets her 'deal' through it does not define the future relationship (which is labours position) so could be either a hard or soft brexit. My own theory is that if May gets her agreement through she will be immediately replaced by someone else. Whether that it a hard or soft brexiteer nobody knows but until the type of brexit is defined/agreed labour should steer well clear of any support for it imho.
Is it time to strip the supermarket shelves yet?
if May gets her agreement through she will be immediately replaced by someone else.
Its still a poisoned chalice, youd have to be supremely deluded by your own self-importantce to think that being PM for the next few years would be a smart move.
So I suppose that rules out very few Tories!
majority amendment to allow a No Brexit Option
No way. It's against the positions of both party leaderships.
No way. It’s against the positions of both party leaderships.
I was referring to a point where the wishes of both party leaders mean sweet f all in this context. I can see many MP's not giving a crap what their leader says on the 28th March.
Don't know if anyone watched it, but the Inside Europe programme on BBC2 last night was pretty instructive. It was all about the Greek crisis and how close the euro and Greece came to collapsing. In the end it was all sorted after the Tsipras the greek PM called a referendum on the EU bailout after spelling out that if the Greek people didn't accept they would be expelled from the Euro and the EU, which would result in the collapse of the economy. Something tells me the same needs to happen with brexit, although no doubt we'd be stupid enough to vote for collapse.
Followed by a snap election which will see the Tories win a narrow majority under Raab or similar
I genuinely don't know who to vote for if that happened... Probably Green Party.
if May gets her agreement through she will be immediately replaced by someone else.
She bought herself a year in the job with the vote of confidence last year. So we're stuck with her, she'll never call a general election & I can't imagine she would resign.
she’ll never call a general election
It's unlikely, but traditionally, and constitutionally, if the government of the day can't command a majority in order implement it's policy, then a general election is the only viable solution. Even after everything that has happened to date, that is still the case. She may have little choice but to call an election, whether she wants one or not.