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I’m guessing the Belgium’s love...
I see Corbyn as more of a rabbit in the headlights. He’s stuck and he doesn’t know what to do.
No-one does - because it's an impossible situation. I don't think anyone could get themselves out of this bar a truly exceptional statesman - and you can't really blame Corbyn for not being one.
David Lammy is one of the few MPs to emerge with even a shred of credibility from this shitshow
https://twitter.com/davidlammy/status/1090877442418528256?s=21
Will any of today’s idiots be liable to prosecution?
You mean like the ones that tell porkies and get offered their jobs back once the dust has settled.
Not a chance mate more chance of being bit by a daffodil
Not a chance mate more chance of being bit by a daffodil
As I said before, there are other ways.
I mean, I wouldn’t suggest, oh I don’t know, stringing up Rees Mogg from a lamppost, but I think at this stage it is important that all options remain on the table.
I see Corbyn as more of a rabbit in the headlights. He’s stuck and he doesn’t know what to do.
No-one does – because it’s an impossible situation. I don’t think anyone could get themselves out of this bar a truly exceptional statesman – and you can’t really blame Corbyn for not being one.
indeed - which is why i don't consider him to be mendacious like the ERG headbangers. Just a bit useless.
I’ve got a solution to the Irish border problem. If (as now seems possible) the U.K. crashes out and at the point where life in Ulster becomes as unbearable as anywhere else in the Union, the people in Ulster organise their own referendum...
Stay in the U.K. or join the Republic...
Money will, as ever, talk and bullsh** wil do the fandango.
I’ve said before that the reintroduction of Lynch mobs would be the only advantage of the chaos of a no deal Brexit. For me there’s only one candidate for first against the wall...
Grayling is apparently only interested in 'doing the right thing'.
Shame he didn't live 100 years ago - doing the right thing then would have involved a stiff whisky and a revolver.
the people in Ulster organise their own referendum…
Stay in the U.K. or join the Republic…
That's always looked a possibility - which is why I can't understand why the DUP are supporting Leave.
A good article in today’s Grauniad on the utter uselessness of Jeremy Corbyn
If Corbyn gets his hands dirty he can avoid a hard brexit
I don’t hold out much hope though. He’ll doubtless just carry on ineptly facilitating the dreams of the hard right like any good socialist should.
utter uselessness of Jeremy Corbyn
Is that your google alert text?
For me there’s only one candidate for first against the wall…
Hang on a moment:
the people in Ulster organise their own referendum…
Stay in the U.K. or join the Republic…
That’s always looked a possibility – which is why I can’t understand why the DUP are supporting Leave.
AIUI the Good Friday Agreement includes a clause guaranteeing a referendum on Reunification if a yes vote ever seems likely. And the next census is expected to see Catholics becoming a majority in NI. So a referendum is almost inevitable with or without Brexit. But if Brexit results in the GFA failing, the DUP could argue that there's no longer a requirement to take the question to the people... Call me cynical. 🙁
Farage's wife was German. Bet he's teetotal too
Can someone explain how we are going to to have control of our borders Brexiter style but with a Brexiter style no border between the republic and NI, and no border between the mainland and NI?
Easy, unicorns and technology and a sprinkle of fairies.
Bet he’s teetotal too
One of his ex-friends did claim he wasnt overly fond of beer and far preferred wine but went for the point for the common man touch.
Bypass Brexit.
Vote for the withdrawal agreement and we’ll errrr buy you a bypass for your constituency. Hmmmm call me a cynic, but what are the wto tariffs on pork and barrels? Frankly I’m disgusted.
Easy, unicorns and technology and a sprinkle of fairies.
Oddly the guy who runs the port of Dover had to physically bite his tongue when asked the same questions...and that was 58 days, can we install all this stuff....lololo
And still a lot of people think this is a good idea(!)
Presumably this time it is the alluring, saucy and devious EU that is luring these companies by underhand means......
And still a lot of people think this is a good idea(!)
Presumably this time it is the alluring, saucy and devious EU that is luring these companies by underhand means……
Look on the bright side if 1/3rd of companies go it means I will get to go and working Europe......yeeeh...oh wait a minute
So (and I can't believe the situation has brought me to this, but there you go) has anyone else started adding the odd tin of canned fruit and the odd back of frozen veg to their shopping?
I have to admit that I have - I don't want the kids to be going without fruit and veg for a month (albeit not of the fresh variety). It makes me feel a bit ashamed and a bit 'tin foil hat', but I am actually genuinely concerned that No Deal on 29th March is actually going to be a lot worse than even predicted so far. So here I am, popping a tin here a bag of rice/pasta there in my shopping.
Am I losing my marbles or does anyone else feel the same way (and are acting on it in a sort of Heath Robinson way)?
I've heard of lots of people who are. We arent yet, but probably will do at some point
We've booked a week away in the middle of nowhere in North Wales. As this shitshow unravels/falls apart I want to be safe in the knowledge that I don't have to be anywhere, so no need to risk the gridlocked motorways, or worry about the availibility of petrol, and don't have anything in particular to do. I'll be up a mountain in Snowdonia watching the country burn.
I think we can now take a No Deal Brexit as a given now, and I'm actually quite looking forward to seeing the bunch of wilfully ignorant, gammony *-nuggets, who've been gobbing off about 'Project Fear' for the last 2 years, get a crash course in how our interconnected, intertwined, just-in-time supply chains function (or don't) in a 21st century globalised economy.
Given the cobblers they were naively and stupidly sold, theres going to be some very very rude awakenings taking place.
* 'em!
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Everything will be available, it'll just cost more. If you're not poor, then there is no need to worry about food really.
Drugs on the other hand… you should be preparing for delays and shortages… they are not something that can be managed by just pricing poor people out of the market (yet).
the daily mail will go apesh1t when it realises we are going to crash out and still pay them the £39bn !!!
Anyone who has watched the Sabine Weyland video on youtube will spot that there will be money coming the other way as part of the agreement but that stuff gets ignored eh
Crace nails it again:
And he finishes by saying 'being a satirist gets harder by the day'.
Indeed.
Re that tweet of the Charles Moore article a few pages back, I thought we were taking back control of our borders? and after the migrant "crisis" a few weeks ago we were sending the coastguard to torpedo rowing boats coming across the channel in case they contained a couple of Iranians. So, given that, (which most Brexiters would be in full support of), how does he expect to smuggle across lettuce for his salad speakeasy without being intercepted?
But he wouldn't be doing it would he, it's just all jolly japes to them, the people who are already having to choose between heating and eating are the ones who will suffer, Charles will be just fine.
they are not something that can be managed by just pricing poor people out of the market
Here come the Americans however, after the NHS has burned
New line from the brexiters
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/01/britains-best-chance-revenge-lost-brexit-remain-eu/
Stay in and **** shit up.
^^^^ that (first bit) just made me smile!
They're not biased, honest!?!?
To be honest, if you really hate the EU it seems an eminently more sensible idea to wage a diplomatic guerilla war from inside the EU - as opposed to flouncing and letting the behemoth on your doorstep gather strength.
I can't read that whole TG article but it says this:
against it.
What should be clear to all now is that all hope of a successful Brexit has been lost, irredeemably fumbled by this blundering government out-thought and out-fought...
That seems a reasonable way out for leave voters, whilst saving face. Interesting that it's being written about.
How's the campaign for a "peoples vote" going ? It would appear that they've thrown in the towel already. Or maybe they've all gone up Snowdon for a mass pant wetting!
I've stock piled hay fever medicine if that counts - i noted where the only combo of stuff i've ever found that works is made, and then bought 6 months worse. Brexit it will be bad enough in any event, let alone combined with itchy eyes and constant sneezing.
We'll probably get some tins etc, post the next depressing vote.
I hope this 'trojan horse' plan gathers pace. It's a win/win. Britains been an arsehole in Europe since time began so it's business as usual. Leavers just need a save face opt out like trump and his wall.
It's genius! Well done torygraph
How’s the campaign for a “peoples vote” going ? It would appear that they’ve thrown in the towel already. Or maybe they’ve all gone up Snowdon for a mass pant wetting!
We Leave next month. The politicans killed the idea of a referendum when they talked down the clock before Xmas. They are busy killing off all options one by one, except no deal and the current WA with a few nice reassuring words issued about it. Or a panic recinding of A50 notification I suppose… but all key players still claiming that's impossible… by which they mean they'd prefer a no deal Brexit than stopping Brexit.
I am with Kelvin.
The clock has ticked out. We are out of options, deliberately all we can do is accept Mrs May's 'plan' or crash out with no deal. This is the brinkmanship to end brinkmanship game.
All the running around and debates at parliament just remind me of this.
I’ve actually found myself agreeing with Rees Mogg that Parliament should be suspended. For all the self-reverential pontificating and grandstanding what has it actually achieved?
The sum total of **** all!
Nothing has changed one bit. The government has decided they’re going to run down the clock until its accept Mays daft, nonsensical ‘deal’ or its crashing out.
So No Deal it is, then? And the resulting chaos. They might as well just stop all the ridiculous posturing and just get on with it, because absolutely nothing will change in the next two months. Everyone’s position is just too entrenched, and collectively our MPs possess not one shred of imagination or common sense, or indeed concern about what happens to the mugs they allegedly represent
Enduring the next 8 weeks is just going to be like purgatory, because we all know already how this is going to end. Really really badly. Unless you’re a disaster capitalist multimillionaire.
This is quite an interesting read:
https://news.sky.com/story/we-need-better-powers-to-stop-data-bamboozling-voters-11622947
Too many words for the quitlings unfortunately.
We've started a "Brexit cupboard" this week, after the shenanigans in Parliament this week. Until then I was quietly optimistic that we would end up with a deal where we were in some version of the customs union. After this week I think we'll crash out with no deal.
We haven't gone crazy, just buying more of the stuff we normally eat, and a few extra things like canned potatoes and sponge puddings. We aim to have a very well stocked food cupboard on 29th March which we can use if there is a food shortage, or work our way through over the next year if there isn't.
We haven’t gone crazy, just buying more of the stuff we normally eat, and a few extra things like canned potatoes and sponge puddings. We aim to have a very well stocked food cupboard on 29th March which we can use if there is a food shortage, or work our way through over the next year if there isn’t.
Me too. I’m considering starting a second one, though, to pay homage to the Buccaneering Brexit Spirit. This will not be for personal consumption, but when some poor unfortunate runs out of food I will gladly hand it to them for zero cash. Yes, that’s right, no cash will need to change hands. Just a quick signature on a document loaning the recipient the retail value (plus 10%), minimum £10 spend, at a very reasonable 1000000% apr. A more in-keeping scheme I cannot envisage.
Making Britain great again.
Gibraltar or is it squirrel.
Brace yourselves it’s starting.
I lived on Gib, as a small child.
Anyway… riddle me this…
Gibraltar is fully part of the UK, according to our government, but it isn't in the Customs Union... yet it's unacceptable for NI to stay in the Customs Union if/when the rUK leaves it... because... it then wouldn't be fully part of the UK? So, can part of the UK be in a different Customs region to the rest of the UK, or not?
Does anyone understand...?
(Is the answer just, "DUP"?)
Can we just go back to the EU's original backstop offer (NI in CU&SM 'till a border free answer is found and agreed in a future FTA), and screw the DUP, Hoey, Boris and a few other outliers in Parliament? Or does Scotland then kick off…?
I would be quite happy for the UK to cast aside the protected tax havens, Gibraltar, IOM, Channel islands etc, all they do is suck money out of the UK's tax take. But again it is easy for the right wing loons too beat the drum of patriotism when talking about them, rather than representing them as the abusive parasites that they actually are.
Don't they have giant queues on the Gibraltar border every so often?
You would think we would already have implemented a non hard border right there if it was so easy.
Can we just take our hats off to Alastair Campbell, who on the Last Leg just described Nigel Farage as ‘a nicotine-stained man-frog’ 😂
Forgot about this. It sums up perfectly all that is wrong with the Tory party.
binners
Can we just take our hats off to Alastair Campbell, who on the Last Leg just described Nigel Farage as ‘a nicotine-stained man-frog’ 😂
Yup. Chapeau. Although he did also describe Blair as a great leader. While I personally might agree with some interpretations of that comment, can't see it playing well with the STW massive.
Nope, bring back Blair, Bush, Campbell, Mandy, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc - our current lot are moronic halfwits. I'd rather have a bunch of rock and roll sociopathic, go big or go home, illegal war starting lunatics at the helm.
The yanks and Brits need to channel some of our noughties confidence....
As per that Torygraph article, why the **** are we Brexiting when we could put Blair back in, stay in, undermine European defense policy and then encourage the Russians to go a bit 1944 on Eastern Europe.
The countries gone wet and scared of it's own shadow, Brexiteerism isn't about harking back to imperial confidence - it's because the whole countries gone ****ing wet and resorted to isolationism.
Now we have
and some senile ex-Stasi weirdo who still thinks its 1979
Although he did also describe Blair as a great leader. While I personally might agree with some interpretations of that comment, can’t see it playing well with the STW massive.
If it wasn't for his propensity for having a bit of a war, I'd have him, Mandelson, various Milibandii, and a smattering of Harman and Blunkett back in a heartbeat over todays mob of cretins. Hell, they could even stick Prescott and Clare Short back in.
Frankly, even the embalmed corpse of Robin Cook would do a better job than Jeremy Bloody Hunt. To think, in pre-Chris Grayling times, we thought that Geoff Hoon was an incompetent figure of fun.
To think, in pre-Chris Grayling times, we thought that Geoff Hoon was an incompetent figure of fun.
That’s a bit of perspective right there!
You’re truly in a parallell universe when they’re seriously talking about a numpty like Dominic Raab as leadership material! Have they somehow managed to miss everything that’s ever come out of his mouth? And his track record of voting against the very Brexit deal he helped negotiate?
Don’t they have giant queues on the Gibraltar border every so often?
The people of Sunderland voted massively to leave the EU. They will be delighted to see their votes having the desired effect.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1091716226819280896
The people of Sunderland voted massively to leave the EU. They will be delighted to see their votes having the desired effect.
I'm trying not to feel smug or vindictive but if anyone was going to suffer the first wave of Brexit consequence I am very glad it is an area that voted brexit in such heavy numbers. Squat in your own shit you bunch of mouthbreathers.
Now I've got that off my chest....in a way the timing of this is good news. It was clearly coming so to get the ball rolling now is a positive if there is any chance of turning the tide and getting the gammons to see the error of their views.
perhaps they should tell us what the government promised them.
Until they lock the factory doors there will be people calling this Project Fear and saying we're better off without the likes of Nissan if they don't believe in unicorns.
The people of Sunderland voted massively to leave the EU. They will be delighted to see their votes having the desired effect.
Ha ****ing Ha!, ignorant ill-educated bullshit brexit unicorn believing **** tards, no sympathy given at all.
I'm almost looking forward to the political shows tomorrow morning so I can watch how this is span into good news (or more likely that it has nothing to do with Brexit).
While I understand the sentiment, the trouble is that it’s not likely to be the people who’ll now be layed off from Nissan who voted for this shit!
They’ll no doubt be highly skilled, and educated like my mate Rob who I mentioned a couple of pages back was Made redundant from JLR on Wednesday.
Channel 4 news did a feature from Northumberland earlier in the week and the people there voting to Leave they interviewed were all the likes of ex-miners and ex-fishermen, all fully paid up lefty, union-supporting Corbyn fans who have this ridiculous notion that leaving the EU will somehow revitalise their part of world
The level of delusion is truly beyond belief! They’re in for one hell of a shock! Things are about to get far far worse.
But as with the rest of the country, we’ll all be sinking with them
it has nothing to do with Brexit
Being balanced the articles do mention reduced demand for diesels, generally weaker sales in Europe, the whole Ghosn affair etc so it's not just brexit. That's enough to spin into a "not our fault" angle.
Also the story relates to future investment not current jobs so no immediate pain for the region. Yet.
While I understand the sentiment, the trouble is that it’s not likely to be the people who’ll now be layed off from Nissan who voted for this shit
Who's getting laid off?
Seems to me an announcement has not been made yet of any sort.
It does look like a lot of your arguments are based on what you think might happen, which is fine but it doesn't make it a fact until it does.
Sunderland is going to lose jobs?
Good. Crocodile tears. All the best to Nissan!
While thats all true, just ask yourself: if you were running a multinational company, and things aren't going great generally, would you think that right now making a massive investment in the UK would be a great idea?
Or maybe you'd opt for a country that hadn't taken leave of its senses?
I know what I'd do.
The Tory's are about to oversea the final phase of their deindustrialisation of the UK, and they really don't ****ing care if that finishes off these regions once and for all and reduces them to post-apocolyptic wastelands.
The fact that they're being waved through by the labour party and have got the turkeys themselves to vote for christmas genuinelly mystifies me though. And depresses me in equal measure
Question guys!
Of we stay in a customs union will that automatically include freedom of movement??
No, that comes with Single Market membership.
Of we stay in a customs union will that automatically include freedom of movement??
Not likely as the EU wouldn't allow it unless we get our best negotiators in again.
Ok, cheers guys. So only benefit would be import/ exports remain similar?
The people of Sunderland
There was a World at One a few weeks back broadcast from Sunderland.
I was driving home and ended up pulling over to listen to it all. Some of the people spoken to left me shaking my head and feeling despair for them. They are either really bloody stupid, short sighted, ignorant or gullible.
Or all of the above.
Found it....
World at One - 18/01/2019 - @bbcradio4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000222n
Apparently we have to go ahead as a 'large populist movement' would happen if we cancel...
The only good thing that might come out of this shitshow is a 'large populist movement' that ensures the tories never ever get near any kind of power again.
Unfortunately I suspect there will be enough stupid people who'll vote for them anyway.
The only good thing that might come out of this shitshow is a ‘large populist movement’ that ensures the tories never ever get near any kind of power again.
Unfortunately I suspect there will be enough stupid people who’ll vote for them anyway.
The absense of a credible alternative is also an issue. The fact that the Labour party isn't even making an impact on them, when they should be 20+ points ahead in any sane world, shows you how much confidence the population has in Corbyn
I know I'll get the usual suspects slagging me off for pointing out how utterly useless he is, but people are looking for a 'credible' alternative. They're looking for an escape route from this nightmare. Corbyn has no interest in providing that. He wants Brexit just as much as IDS and Rees Mogg. For different (equally deluded) reasons, but that won't make much difference as the economy tanks
When Channel 4 did that item from Northumberland earlier this week, they interviwed the Labour MP. A similar 70's throwback dinasaur. He said "I've known Jeremy Corbyn for over 30 years and there's no way he'll have voted to remain"
This guy voted with the government this week. I bet Corbyn wished he was still on the backbenches so he could do the same
Our two main parties are presently 2 cheeks of the same arse. The 'leadership' of them both is unified in their end goal here... Brexit. At petty much any cost
We're truly ****ed!!
The fact that the Labour party isn’t even making an impact on them, when they should be 20+ points ahead in any sane world, shows you how much confidence the population has in Corbyn
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091762049099677697?s=20
If at the next general election everyone voted for their local independent candidate, that would be fun.
Labour will gain protest votes purely because (rightly) everyone hates the cons.
Most voters seemingly aren't aware any other parties exist. Or that Labour aren't just as diabolical as the cons.
Nissan redundancies won’t hit yet, not until the line that bid for the x-trail winds down whatever it was producing (not necessarily the current model). I have several friends and family who work there. They’re cr@pping themselves and have been since the vote.
The people who voted for this (around here) are the “Proudly Ignorant” and not the same as those who work at the plant. The likes of Rt hon The member for Blyth Valley and top gammon twerp Ronnie Campbell, who couldn’t string a coherent sentence together when ordering a fish supper. I can only hope Brexit makes his supply of Statins and aspirin dry up.