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They’ll all be fine, obviously. Your Rees Moggs and Farages. They’ll always have nothing to lose. It’s my mate Rob and the rest of us who’ll be left picking up the pieces
Not all - Jeremy *unt was just on the wireless describing "The Troubles" as a period when there were "bombs going off in Harrods", so the full horrors of a bombing campaign were also visited on the *unt family's trips to buy truffles and champagne.
And in case anyone was in any doubt about how loose *unt's hold on reality is, we have:
Britain’s foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, is expected to urge EU nations to impose sanctions on members of Nicolás Maduro’s inner circle in Venezuela as pressure mounts on the president.
That would be the EU we are leaving, right?
There was some Brexiteer peer on 5Live insisting that no jobs would be lost because of Brexit.
I listened to that. Incredulous. That was 'Lord' Digby Jones. Under normal circumstances you'd just laugh at him. But this is Brexit Britain. The usual rules don't apply.
Listening to him having all the job losses and company relocations pointed out to him, one by one, while he simply replied that this was nothing to do with Brexit, was literally like listening to a flat-earther. But these ****ing clowns have been dictating government policy for the past 2 years.And still are.
As the economy collapses in a no deal scenario, these idiots will still be maintaining that the chaos that engulfs us is nothing to do with Brexit
Its like a Waco-style religious cult
So if we do go out, backwards and on fire, on the 29/3 without all these legal issues sorted does that mean that what would have been crimes, pre brexit, can go on unchecked? (I might be wrong here but isn't our justice system based around 'it's not a crime if there is no law against it/until tested in court'?)
Or is that OK because the unelected Nazi bureaucrats in the EU forced the undemocratic laws on us anyway. Bring back hanging etc
Looks like the magic money tree has been found again.
Maybot has suddenly found a deep concern for the former mining towns and alongside that some money down the back of the sofa.
Maybot has suddenly found a deep concern for the former mining towns
My guess is that there will be enough Labour MPs dumb enough to believe her and vote through her deal. They will be surprised a month later when The Ghoul pretends she was just being ironic, or had her fingers crossed or whatever other lie she finds convenient.
Its like a Waco-style religious cult
Except Koresh was charismatic and had a plan.
Looks like the magic money tree has been found again.
Maybot has suddenly found a deep concern for the former mining towns and alongside that some money down the back of the sofa.
I assume this is just the money they had already previously committed to replace the EU funding that was already helping these areas
Maybot has suddenly found a deep concern for the former mining towns and alongside that some money down the back of the sofa.
If you live in a former mining town I'd be worried.
If you go right back to the inexplicable rise to power of Theresa May she periodically gives a speech about social justice and improving the lives of the disadvantaged.
What she then does is implement a series of policies which piss all over social justice and make the lives of the disadvantaged infinitely worse
I assume this is just the money they had already previously committed to replace the EU funding that was already helping these areas
You spotted that, but dimwits like Melanie Onn and co probably didn't
I find it quite telling that Jezza took his 2 favoured arch Brexiteers, Karie Murphy & Seamus Milne to No10 yesterday and left his trusted Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer out of it. Anyone who thinks Jeremy is not an enthusiastic Brexiteer is deluded.
The will help you, Mefty:
I don't think my point needed reinforcing by a map, but there you go.
Corbyn is just as enthusiastic a Brexiteer as Rees Mogg or IDS. He's just managed to convince a large enough number of the left-leaning, hard-of-thinking otherwise, so as to keep himself at the helm of the student protest group that passes for the labour party nowadays.
You can't help but wonder where we'd be if we'd have actually had a genuine opposition party over the last 3 years, rather than someone who's happy to sit back and nod through everything the Tory party has wanted to do
Anyone heard from him lately? Or is he back on the allotment?
Surely your mate who has been made redundant from JLR just needs to pitch up at work again tomorrow, sit down, do a day's work and then demand to be paid? Apparently JLR will cave in at the last minute because they need him more than he needs them.
Seriously - pass on the STW good vibes to the fella - there's going to be a lot, lot more of this.
Perhaps an image will help you:
See the guy on the left, Mefty, it was he who made the proposal of four zones for Germany (as opposed to three) that was finally adopted. Churchill drew the lines and he was British.
As for Russia later taking over control of the eastern block, they were there already occupying and in control.
You are in the habit of rubbishing people who are right. All a bit Brexie really.
Edit: to find an image STW will load
I feel so proud of our Theresa, captain of our ship SS Brexitania.
Heading off to the iceberg to tell it we're calling its bluff, and we are not going to change course. True British bulldog spirit.
If only the rest of us had nice lifeboats like the 1st class passengers...
I feel so proud of our Theresa, captain of our ship SS Brexitania.
Heading off to the iceberg to tell it we’re calling its bluff, and we are not going to change course. True British bulldog spirit.
If only the rest of us has nice lifeboats like the 1st class passengers…
Oh do please stop with all the doom and gloom
Maybot is adamant she's going to win something over Europe I reckon she's going for higher unemployment than Spain #winning .
(Fake news alert)
I heard that satellite tv will stop working in the case of no deal.
That should get through to the epsilons.
Which again doesn't conflict with anything I said.
They've still done **** all to try & unite the country... From JRM yesterday...
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1090677185051013120
Well Jacob - I can see we're leaving, but we're about as far from uniting as we can be...
The UK voted to leave the EU so we could become an outward-facing, free-trading country while being proud of our European heritage after Brexit
Some did Mr Mogg, others voted to stick it to the globalists, and to reduce the movement of money, people and ideas across our borders. Many voted against the very idea of being European. Some even voted just to give your PM at the time a bloody nose, and as protest vote about their communities being left behind as a result of the policies of his government (and governments before it).
We just need a baseball cap to unite us
What about "Party Like It's 28/3/2018"?
I didn't know this, on the Beeb story on the Jag redundancies, the amount of UK car exports, apparently 53% of export cars go to the EU.
Bets on that being 0% after Brexit?
Any sensible international firm, like those big car companies for instance, will move all European production to Europe.
mickmcd
Oh do please stop with all the doom and gloom...
Actually feeling relieved right now.
Haven't you heard? The SS Brexitannia is unsinkable - held together with Belfast rivets, it is.
That iceberg is going to be in serious trouble soon. Pull up a deckchair, the band is on deck to play us some uplifting tunes. 🙂
Land of Hope and Glory?
Land of Hope and Glory?
Would be an excellent choice - as we'd be floundering at sea having left safe land behind.
Hankering after something now unattainable, something that we have consciously left behind - a perfect metaphor.
if we do go out, backwards and on fire,
Just seen two Apache helicopters heading East over The Monument. Perhaps London is finally making a break for freedom from the provinces.
I especially enjoyed good old Mystic being interviewed on R4 earlier.
Justin Webb repeatedly asked him to be specific about what 'alternative' arrangements' for the NI border might be.
First time around some bluster.
Second time around 'technology' - unspecified of course.
Third time around - I'm not allowed to tell you - if things are suggested on air, they tend to get rejected on air.
What? They do get rejected if they are impossible and immediately understood to be impossible. Otherwise, I'm sure the EU would be all ears.
Face it - the 'alternative arrangements' do not exist , nor does the technology to administer them. Hunt knows it, May knows it, the EU know it.
This is just an exercise in asking for the impossible as many times as we can, to force the EU to say 'no' as many times as possible to help sell the lie that No Deal is because of EU intransigence.
Bets on that being 0% after Brexit?
Nah McLaren still have off shore millionaires to please
That iceberg is going to be in serious trouble
Nah the newspapers can't find a name for it like thundersnow .....snowbomb...etc etc
Though I'm sure some of us have already named it.
Morgan spokesman on BBC talking about how they are planning to mitigate Brexit problems… I think it was supposed to be an attempt to "balance" all the warnings from the larger car manufacturers… he didn't really play ball though… quite equivocal… but there was a bit of "just get on with it" from him… so that'll please those that would rather "rip the plaster off" (and expose an open wound).
nickjb
They absolutely did. I don’t doubt it isn’t what they wanted or what they thought they were voting for but it is exactly what the did vote for. Both at the referendum and the last couple of general elections.
There has never been a vote for this. Not only has nobody ever voted for it, nobody has ever had an opportunity to vote for it.
It is absurd to claim that someone voted for an outcome, if it's not what was offered. If you vote for a cheese sandwich and someone brings you a dead cat, you still voted for cheese. I mean, pretty much everything about brexit is absurd but this is actually above averagely daft.
still the hard liners press the argument that this is the default date.
But it is. By force of law, unless Parliament legislates to revoke Article 50, we leave with no deal on the 29th. That's what is so terrifying. Given that they have achieved absolutely nothing in 2.5 years, what is the chance of them a) actually agreeing to do something which all sides have said cannot be done and then b) actually getting their shit together to get the law passed in parliament?
I can't see any realistic way to get to any outcome other than no deal.
Is it beyond possibility that she pulls the plug at the last minute, citing the impossibility of a solution?
It is absurd to claim that someone voted for an outcome, if it’s not what was offered
They voted to leave. Since there was no definition beyond that, it follows that any sort of leave will satisfy that vote.
Is it beyond possibility that she pulls the plug at the last minute, citing the impossibility of a solution?
She can try. But it needs parliament to pass the law, so she needs to get all those MPs who think they'll lose their seats if they thwart the Willy of the people to back revoking A50. And if those spineless weasels have demonstrated anything over the last couple of years, it's that their order of priority is themselves>party>country.
It is absurd to claim that someone voted for an outcome, if it’s not what was offered. If you vote for a cheese sandwich and someone brings you a dead cat, you still voted for cheese. I mean, pretty much everything about brexit is absurd but this is actually above averagely daft.
They chose to open the open mystery box. They (well, all of us) got whatever was inside which is exactly what they chose, whatever it turned out to be. They either knowingly voted for this mess or they had no idea what they were voting for, which is just as foolish
Absurd seems to be theword. And just when you can't believe it could be more so, someone ups the ante. A truly staggering article in todays Grauniad
'It is terrible but I still want it': Crewe voters size up no-deal Brexit
Look at this,” he said, pointing to a paragraph about negotiating a banking collapse. “This is what’s coming.” He’d been stockpiling tins for months. A no-deal Brexit was going to make everyone poorer, he said. But it was worth it, if it meant the UK got control over immigration
I've now reached the conclusion that these shit-thick morons deserve everything they've got coming to them. I just wished the rest of us weren't going off the cliff with the stupid ****s!
It is absurd to claim that someone voted for an outcome, if it’s not what was offered. If you vote for a cheese sandwich and someone brings you a dead cat, you still voted for cheese. I mean, pretty much everything about brexit is absurd but this is actually above averagely daft.
A cheese sandwich is far too specific. People voted for a meal (all of differing ideas on what the meal should be). The government is now saying it has negotiated a (particularly crap) cheese sandwich, and if you don’t want that, here is a dead cat. No you can’t go out to the European restaurant and have a roast dinner that we were going to have, up until the aforementioned vote.
I didn’t know this, on the Beeb story on the Jag redundancies, the amount of UK car exports, apparently 53% of export cars go to the EU.
Bets on that being 0% after Brexit?
Any sensible international firm, like those big car companies for instance, will move all European production to Europe.
Its worse the car companies get some stuff made by local suppliers so when they go these companies are f.....
Given that they have achieved absolutely nothing in 2.5 years
Ahem - blue passports. Don't forget the blue passports.
Ahem – blue passports. Don’t forget the blue passports.
But, of course, we could have them before anyway, we just chose not to...
Given that they have achieved absolutely nothing in 2.5 years
I don't know, Cameron departed pretty quick smart.
Matt, how do you deal with all the notifications for this thread??
They voted to leave. Since there was no definition beyond that, it follows that any sort of leave will satisfy that vote.
There was no definition on the ballot paper, but there was plenty of information produced by the Leave campaigns - and they're not going to get what was described. Unless we accept a hard border in Ireland, we'll stay in the customs union (the so called backstop is just a political device) and we won't negotiate our own deals. Besides, without a hard border we can't control immigration from the EU. So the Leavers don't get what they were promised, only the satisfaction of 'taking back control' (ie, having no influence of EU policy).
There was no definition on the ballot paper, but there was plenty of information produced by the Leave campaigns – and they’re not going to get what was described.
In so many ways. Like the weekly 350M for the NHS, or the free unicorn for every man woman and child. But on the basis they're not up in arms about that, I'm sure they'll be OK with a very close customs union, no say in setting laws or standards, BINO in fact. As long as we deliver on not actually being part of the official EU 28 member states, they'll be happy.
What's that? They won't be? You're allowed to pick and choose from the things that Leave said we would get, discard the inconvenient bits, and still claim it's what you voted for?
Have we done the EU’s Deputy Brexit negotiator Sabine Weyand?
I think you'd remember.
I think you’d remember.
Here all week?
A lot of the discussion about the withdrawal agreement is uninhibited by a lack of knowledge of what is in the agreement
😂😂😂 I’d laugh more if it wasn’t my countries future riding on this...
and just come up on my twitter feed, Nick timothy proposing a solution to the NI border...
Why doesn't the RoI align its customs with the UK rather than the EU.
Why doesn’t the RoI align its customs with the UK rather than the EU.
More from project fear...
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2019/01/usa-sets-out-wish-list-for-post-brexit-food-trade-deal/
When you listen to Sabine Weyand and then read the bo**ocks suggestion of Nick Timothy you just realise why the country is in such a mess. It’s like sending a bunch of fat 50 year old pub team five-a-siders against a team of the best players in the premier league ....or even worse, sticking me on a DH bike against one of the Athertons!
Ah that Digby Jones interview really wound me up. Perhaps because I rarely watch/hear stuff at the time, but read commentary on it, so I'm reading someone else's anger rather than feeling it for myself.
But it was when he started on about 'the Establishment Elite'; how it was their fault (plus remainers, plus Labour etc) that there was all this uncertainty, which made me shout at the computer.
I thought "JFC! Are these Jeremy Hunts really so out of touch they don't understand that they're actually the Establishment and the Elite?"
But of course they do. Sir Digby Jones, aka Baron Jones of Birmingham, aka The Right Honourable Lord Jones, life peer, former Minister of State for Trade and Investment, former adviser to Prince Andrew, board member of half a dozen companies, knows full Hunting well that he's the Establishment Elite.
He's just a liar. A disingenuous, brazen liar with the sheer brass neck to get up there on national radio, in front of the whole country, and pretend that there's some 'other' elite out there. That there's a higher power, apparently comprised largely of Volvo driving yoga instructors from Bristol and teachers from Manchester and grannies from Belfast, which is SO POWERFUL that the Commons and the Lords and the media barons are helpless to resist its disruptive power.
AND THEN he goes on to say that Brexit is both a) being ruined by this mysterious sandal wearing illuminati and b) not ruined and no jobs will be lost and it will be amazing. Schroedingers Brexit. Perfect and yet ruined.
He's an absolute Hunt. They all are. Bastard liars.
We can rant and rave about Corbyn all we like, but all he's doing is failing to land a punch on Hunts like Digby Jones, Rees Mogg and the rest of them.
Argh! Sorry for rant.
AND THEN he goes on to say that Brexit is both a) being ruined by this mysterious sandal wearing illuminati and b) not ruined and no jobs will be lost and it will be amazing. Schroedingers Brexit.
a) We should Leave, but not this Leave
b) Jobs first Brexit
Now… who does that sound like?
It's easy to see that someone you disagree with on lots of other issues is either wrong or being disingenuous about Brexit. But it can take longer to see the same mistake (or deceit) in someone who you are otherwise more closely aligned with. Corbyn is not "failing to land a punch on" right wing Brexitiers, he is enabling their cause (even if his motivation is quite different).
it's a fair point, but with Corbyn I don't see the intent. Not in the same way. He is slowly enabling a hard Brexit, yes, but because he feels trapped between two equally oppressive wings of his MPs (and the media). I don't believe that he wants a deregulated wasteland, or that he stands to profit from chlorinated chicken etc etc.
I see Corbyn as more of a rabbit in the headlights. He's stuck and he doesn't know what to do.
Then again, I do think he was deceitful in his dealings with the Conference around calling for a people's vote. He led those poor suckers right up the garden path without any intention of actually coming through.
So who knows. Maybe I'm just a bit soft on him because he's Labour and seems like a nice bloke (he is basically my FiL, in beliefs, appearance, age and choice of hats!).
Running out of time… ministers talking about the parliamentary break being cancelled, and having to extend A50 just to pass Brexit legislation… so…
https://twitter.com/nickboles/status/1090940769274351616?s=21
I read somewhere today that Government are not putting any Bills forward because no Bills prevents any amendments being proposed to them, as that's the only way anyone outside Government can introduce legislation (apart from the small number of Private Member's Bills for which the opportunity only comes up occasionally).
Nick Timothy, Theresa May’s former co-chief of staff, has a solution to the backstop problem in his Telegraph column.
If even an invisible Irish border is unacceptable to the EU, another option is available: a customs territory comprising the UK and Ireland. The republic could remain in the EU but leave its customs union, agreeing instead a common commercial policy including matching tariffs with the UK. This would protect Irish consumers and businesses: the republic imports more from the UK than from any EU country, and the UK is its second biggest European export market. It would also support Irish exports: 85 per cent of its freight trade to the continent uses British ports.
Holy brexshitters batman!
You see oddly........ it's a solution. A distinctly unpalatable, politically unworkable one, but it would resolve the issue.
Which in a way makes it better than simply saying 'erm ..... technology? Is that the right answer?' which is all that the nutters seem to be able to manage.
(FWIW we did it a couple of hours ago, and it's a stupid idea; what's incredible is that it's not the worst idea presented today!)
What is the worst idea today?
Sorry I can only bear to dip in and out of this thread now. Its less fun now all the brexshitters have fled
You see oddly…….. it’s a solution. A distinctly unpalatable, politically unworkable one, but it would resolve the issue.
yes it would resolve the situation, so i suppose it's progress, its púca or unicorns etc.
Now back in the real world how about a little tweak, Ireland remains in the EU customs union and so does the UK.....
the republic imports more from the UK than from any EU country (I assume individually, not as the whole EU), and the UK is its second biggest European export market (I assume the first is 'The EU'?).
No?
The ROI imports via the UK rather than from the UK.
In a few years time when the shit has properly hit the fan with new people in charge and scapegoats needed...
Will any of today’s idiots be liable to prosecution?
Surely failing grayling must have broken a few laws.
The ROI imports via the UK rather than from the UK.
25% of Ireland's imports are sourced in the UK, we are their biggest trade partner, the US is second, Germany and then France. Northern Ireland accounts for relatively small part of these.
What proportion of their imports is from Germany+France (even ignoring all the other EEA countries).
Imports…
UK 22%
Germany+France 22%
(Google/Worldbank 2017 figures)
What does Belgium buy from Ireland?
10% of exports.
What's that about?
UK imports are greater than Germany and France put together (the US almost are as well).
Although you have to be a bit careful because the figures can be seriously impacted by the Aircraft Leasing business.LInk?
Where are your figures from?
What year?
What's the Belgium link? Any ideas? Is that to do with the airplane stuff?
There is a link
Anyway… EU a bigger partner than UK.
There is a link
So there is now, ta.
Which year? Your link just takes me to the site. 2017 figures? Or older?
Belgium? Maybe they exchange beers.
25% of Ireland’s imports are sourced in the UK? I bet that will nose dive post Brexit. They'll switch to EU suppliers.