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Maybot had a point today on PMQ comrade of the house will sit with the IRA but not have a serious conversation with her
Because they were willing to have an open mind & stop bombing? She just keeps repeating the same mantra?
(Not that I like to defend Jezza too much)
Maybot had a point today on PMQ comrade of the house will sit with the IRA but not have a serious conversation with her
This is just dumb-assery on both sides. Corbyn for refusing to engage without May being willing to open discussions about no deal; go and talk and show willing at least, you certainly won't make progress unless you do talk (and yah-boo-suckery over the dispatch box doesn't count)
meanwhile, May just keeps trotting out the 'only way to avoid No Deal is to back my deal' which is neither a negotiating stance or in fact true. And this crap about talking to the IRA or HAMAS or whoever is also shit - at least they had stuff to discuss rather than an entirely closed face.
In my life i don't think a problem has ever been made less soluble by communicating more. If they were my kids I'd shut them in their rooms with no pudding until they agreed to stop being ****s about it. Fortunately they aren't my kids or I'd be deeply ashamed at what they are doing.
comrade of the house will sit with the IRA but not have a serious conversation with her
Considering she is surviving by virtue of providing lots of money to the DUP its a bit rich.
Perhaps when she drops all her preconditions he might bother talking to her. Otherwise it is a waste of time.
Speaking of dubious actions. Good to see Rees-Mogg leading the efforts to take power back by suggesting closing down parliament if it dares disagree with his dreams.
If they were my kids I’d shut them in their rooms with [b]no pudding[/b] until they agreed to stop being **** about it.
Harsh
In hindsight the Jezzmeister has walked into a trap and left himself wide open here... did nobody advise him that this might happen? Politicking is supposed to be these people's job isn't it? Shirley that involves thinking a couple of moves ahead and working out what the consequences of certain actions might be?
It is, of course irrelevant in the scheme of things because the Maybot hasn't yet had the listening 2.0 app uploaded. It just gives yet another chance for her to be let off the hook and the clock continues to run down.
Considering she is surviving by virtue of providing lots of money to the DUP its a bit rich.
aren't Hezbollah also his muckas
Ignore those two self serving leaders… we'll be rid of both of them soon enough.
More pressing for me, personally, is the company manufacturing the insulin that keeps my son alive has finally broken cover and said that supply is at risk after all. Glad we ignored gov/NHS rules/advice and cracked on with over stocking in preparation. Anyone that isn't doing likewise with their essential meds needs to wake up, fast.
aren’t Hezbollah also his muckas
Since they are no threat to us I am not sure who sensible cares? I would be more concerned about May's kowtoying to the Saudis. With their history of supporting actively hostile groups.
Its good to see you desperately repeating tory central lines.
What are your thoughts on Rees-Mogg extremely antidemocratic suggestion?
Glad we ignored gov/NHS rules/advice and cracked on with over stocking in preparation.
I don't think you can stockpile insulin can you? It's got a pretty short shelf life IIRC, something like a few weeks.
1 month out of the fridge, but much longer if kept refridgerated... how long is brexit going to last again?
aren’t Hezbollah also his muckas
Dunno. Is it time to post pictures of Tory leaders cosying up to dictators?
mickmcd
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Maybot had a point today on PMQ comrade of the house will sit with the IRA but not have a serious conversation with her
Nah, she had a slogan, she didn't have a point. He sat with Sinn Fein/IRA to work towards peace- as did Thatcher, and Clinton, and Major. If Sinn Fein would take their seats she'd be sitting with them too.
But that had a point. Wasting time giving May's joke "talks" was pointless. It's just 100% spin and distraction. Arguably Corbyn might have been able to avoid that but anyone taking it seriously is so desperate to give May credit that they'd likely have found some way to do it. He made it clear what his conditions were and she ruled it out before the meetings even started.
And before some idiot calls me a corbynista, I'm a scot nat to the bone. Personally I'd have been more impressed with my guys if they'd said "you talk shite hen" and done the same as corbyn instead of letting her play at fake compromise and wind the clock down.
The truth is, it's May that's refused to have a serious conversation- with anyone. She offered nothing and changed nothing of note, and made mostly the same promises she did last time.
+1 northwind
Her inability to listen or compromise is the biggest issue facing this country at the moment.
Insulin is in the fridge.
I'm not an idiot.
The point is not to have months and months of supply, but to always have fresh stock to cover any temporary periods of poor supply. Normally, it's just in time, as is NHS & GP policy, and we literally only have a few days of insulin left when we collect the next prescription. We now have a few months always in the fridge… always using the oldest stored insulin first… always used within the six month window as dated.
Isn't it a sad state of affairs when a country like this, top 5 by GDP (poor metric, but still), has it's citizens panic buying medication and stocking supplies over a political choice that could be ended today?
I just can't get my head around it. The country is suffering as the elites continue to drag feet and appease each other. Politics is nonsense.
(Assume it's always been this way, but I'm now paying attention as i'm older and can see direct impacts)
This whole farce is truly depressing beyond words. That a country could do this to itself
I genuinely think that we’re drifting towards a no deal Brexit, simply due to the shear abject incompetence of our politicians.
And that’s going to even worse than the banking crisis. And if that happens again then all I can see is massive scale civil unrest. Once the sunlit uplands turn out to be exactly as things were before, but loads and loads worse! Turbo-charging inequality and establishing the most toxic model of capitalism imaginable, while tearing up the post-war settlement
And our useless, crooked, cosseted, self-serving ‘political class’ are either all for this, or just too self-absorbed to see it! Or more likely, they simply don’t care, as they always do well out of whatever happens
Assume it’s always been this way, but I’m now paying attention as i’m older and can see direct impacts
I think it has always been this way, it's just that the stakes* have suddenly got a whole lot bigger and affect more than just the bottom reaches of society. As a result the comfortable middle has become the squeezed middle and is about to become the completely worked over middle.
There has to be acceptance that society as a whole and government in particular has not collectively done enough in the past for the working class, which has in part led to this rejection. But holding hands up to past mistakes and trying to resolve that is not the same thing as letting the charabanc go off the cliff because it's 'their' turn to decide what to do now.
* as with all gambles, don't stake more than you can afford to lose. As a country we're in too deep; individually the Johnsons and Rees-Moggs are still playing with loose change sort of money.
she’d be sitting with them too
Exactly and Corbyn still would be throwing his toys out.
Some major rolfcoptors today
Moggy has recommended suspending parliamentary democracy u til brexit happens
David Davis it turns out is being paid £3000 an hour by Tory donor & Brexiteer Bamford !
But this was the funniest
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1088126587546030080?s=19
Oh & Holland seeing a brexit dividend
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/dutch-250-firms-interested-brexit-move-143308093--finance.html
Arch-Brexiteer Peter Bone is on channel 4 news. As you watch him you can literally see his poor little single solitary brain cell rattling about
mickmcd
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she’d be sitting with them too
Exactly and Corbyn still would be throwing his toys out.
Well at least somebody bought the "I'm Listening" pitch there, she needs to convince 221 MP's her plan has some legs, at the minute she is going after the extreme end of things and hoping to find some others along the way. If she wants something that will pass she has to ditch the lunatic wing of her party which she is showing no sign of doing.
Is it time to post pictures of Tory leaders cosying up to dictators?
Well the current one seems to be turning into one.
Rees Mogg seems to think he already is one. Close down parliament indeed? What a total fruit loop!
I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t soon start sporting a comedic oversized Colonal Ghadaffi style military uniform, complete with gold epilets and a chest full of medals
. If she wants something that will pass she has to ditch the lunatic wing of her party which she is showing no sign of doing.
Brexit was Cameron refusing to confront them for the sake of his party
Nothing has changed in that regard
Yes binners, Billy Connolly had something to say about people designing their own uniforms.
On the plus side at least David Davis has manage to get a couple of part time jobs after resigning as Brexit secretary. I guess they saw what a good job he had done and thought it was worth a few quid.
Glad we ignored gov/NHS rules/advice and cracked on with over stocking in preparation.
I would personally have a lot more faith in Novo/Pfizer/AZ/GSK/Roche/... to keep you supplied than I would HM Government. Pfizer and GSK# have each spent £100M on preparations for Brexit in whatever form.
</Leave> Of course we can just make insulin here, knock up a few bioreactors. As anyone knows, biotechnology is basically brewing, so Burton-on-Trent would be my choice of location. <Leave>
#Disclaimer - I work for GSK and put biopharmaceuticals into humans for my day job 😉
Of course we can just make insulin here, knock up a few bioreactors. As anyone knows, biotechnology is basically brewing, so Burton-on-Trent would be my choice of location.
better hurry up and get building. mind you, no regulations, no GMP.
You can fully understand why David Davis’s towering intellect, legendary problem solving abilities and shear work ethic command a fee of 3000 quid an hour
Worth every penny, no doubt
better hurry up and get building. mind you, no regulations, no GMP.
That's OK, we're free of the EMA shackles of regulation and inspection (assuming it's British insulin for British diabetics) and the MHRA will be a bit tied up for a while, and we can always lean on them to get things through and repurpose the odd bioreactor.
The general public have no idea (and no interest) in how regulated industries function.
a fee of 3000 quid an hour
Really? :shocked face:
Hang on though. If we crowd fund him for an hour's 'consultancy' is he then ours to do with what we want. I'm sure if I start a crowd fund there'll be enough takers and I'm sure I can gather plenty of rotten fruit from the bins round the back of Iceland to see us through the whole 60 minutes.
to keep you supplied
As I mentioned, it is the company that manufactures the insulin (Novo) that, today, have admitted that despite putting all the measures in place that they can… supplies can not be guaranteed later this year. I could just "rely on them" to have no breaks/shortages in supply, but that doesn't seem wise, when they say that we can't. Not a peep out of Roche yet… but Novo have only broke cover on this super late in the day… they were claiming they could cope (at a cost) back in September… everyone is scared of speaking out on Brexit and pissing of the government… it is ultimately their only major UK customer after all.
better hurry up and get building. mind you, no regulations, no GMP.
Posted 2 hours ago
Does this mean we get crown immunity?
It'll be like the good old days!
Also, the British public should be thanking Novo for pissing money up the wall by enacting their brexit plans with our best interests in mind. They could have just thrown their hands up and walked or not bothered.
Evil big pharma my hairy arsehole.
If the Brexiteers were operating on a wing and a prayer, looks like they've only got the prayer left.
Airbus making noises about Brexit consequences:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46984229
It just keeps getting better.
https://news.sky.com/story/airbus-threatens-uk-departure-from-brexit-disgrace-11615978
Lets see how Moggster and the gammons spin this into 'good news' for a hard Brexit.
At least the ****ers can no longer say 'But Dyson'...
Edit - beaten to it by thepurist!
"Brexit is threatening to destroy a century of development based on education, research and human capital."
Brilliant stuff.
Also, the British public should be thanking Novo for pissing money up the wall by enacting their brexit plans with our best interests in mind. They could have just thrown their hands up and walked or not bothered.
Novo, and big pharma in general will have entered contracts to supply the Gov/NHS with drugs and are doing the right thing about honouring the commitments they made, even if there might have been sufficient wiggle room to back out given what's going on. That's what reputable organisations do, and why Governments trust and rely on them for stuff like this.
Now, let's talk about the commitments we made to the EU for future payments for pensions, contributions for budgets, etc. I'm sure we can find a loophole to get out of paying that........ (C) JRM, BoJo, etc.
Northwind,
Late reply here but your comment about Jezza;
He sat with Sinn Fein/IRA to work towards peace- as did Thatcher, and Clinton, and Major.
Can't stand.
Among many other things, he invited some IRA people to Parliament a few weeks after the Brighton bomb went off.
If you think that makes him some sort of 12 dimensional political genius (as some seem to think from his farcical handling of brexit), then theres a bridge I'd like to sell you.
He doesn't "work for peace".
The best you could say is that his glad-handing of murderous left wing arseholes may provide balance to the tories glad-handing murderous right wing arseholes, but you can't really develop a peace process when you only want one side to prevail.
Take that to the other thread please.
I see David Davis has just picked up a role as an adviser to JCB, paying 60000 a year. For 20 hours work.
The maths is quite straightforward.
Hopefully they'll teach him how to stop digging?
The maths is quite straightforward.
Easiest deal in history.
Lets see how Moggster and the gammons spin this into ‘good news’ for a hard Brexit
Campbell-Bannerman who seems a loon even by brexiteer tory MP standards has suggested the UK should just take over the plants and build our own planes.
Odd that a tory MP is pro nationalisation and it does have the minor flaw that the UK plants only do the wings and a couple of other bits so the planes might not be best sellers.
Campbell-Bannerman who seems a loon even by brexiteer tory MP standards has suggested the UK should just take over the plants and build our own planes.
Odd that a tory MP is pro nationalisation and it does have the minor flaw that the UK plants only do the wings and a couple of other bits so the planes might not be best sellers.
Ah, the Sub-Saharan kleptocracy model - of course. They've lost the plot (never had one really) but the 'great' British public will lap it up.
Airbus saying they will leave? No problem - steal their factory from them.
And in this factory we will make, err, some wings but nothing to stick them to? No problem - stop being unpatriotic.
When are people going to wake up?
Nice piece in the Guardian on why this tory brexit is actually the fault of the lib dems.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/24/brexit-nightmare-tories-fault-dont-blame-labour
Nice piece in the Guardian on why this tory brexit is actually the fault of the lib dems.
Did you link to the wrong piece? Since that one was quite clear it was the tories fault with the only reference to the Lib Dems being about the claim Cameron was hoping it would be a second coalition and the referendum would be dropped.
The blame for even holding a Brexit referendum lies squarely at the feet of David Cameron
Glad the piece spells out why the referendum shouldn't have been held in the way it was… now… I'm assuming that Cameron wasn't the only MP to vote for the referendum legislation… which MPs voted against it? Which parties did they represent? Who has a list…?
I'm guessing mariner is alluding to the fact that the fees issue made the Lib Dems unelectable thereby scuppering the chance of another coalition. I would imagine the Tories were delighted.
I’m assuming that Cameron wasn’t the only MP to vote for the referendum legislation… which MPs voted against it? Which parties did they represent? Who has a list…?
Passed by 544-53 (so the Ayes have it; the ayes have it. UNLOCK! Sorry, becoming a bit of a Bercow fan in all this. Ordeeeerrrrrr)
(not a fan of Bercow as a person, who seems to be a bully, but i do like his excellently condescending treatment of the pompous windbaggery that passes for debate)
Did you link to the wrong piece? Since that one was quite clear it was the tories fault with the only reference to the Lib Dems being about the claim Cameron was hoping it would be a second coalition and the referendum would be dropped.
I thought that as well - the only mention of the LibDems was that it was the achieving of a Tory majority that popped Cameron's notion of not actually having to run the referendum as he was expecting to be in coalition again and it would be quietly dropped.
It is getting more and more difficult to unpick what is people just not reading stuff properly, people falsely flagging articles as saying something in the hope that more people don't actually read the article and a myth is perpetuated, or people just making stuff up.
The victims of hoaxers article in the Graun is frightening. The level of wilful ignorance required for that sort of thing to gain traction is akin to the rumours of Stalinist brainwashing. What people don't seem to grasp is that even if 1 in 100 people in the UK actually believe a blatant lie, that is still around 650,000 people that believe it. If they are disproportionately loud and vociferous, this is another contributing factor to how we got here in the first place.
I don't think there'a any doubt about at who's door the blame for this shitshow lies? It was a typical act of monumental arrogance by one man...
He can spend as much time as he likes writing his memoirs, the last word on him will always remain with our nations sage, Danny Dyer....
****!
An interesting article by Zoe Williams in the Guardian says that its the fault of the entire "Bullingdon' class, represented by the Tory Party, where a rich, privilidged upbringing allowed them to do what the hell they like, and nothing they ever do ever has any negative consequences for them. And if it has consequences for others, or even an entire nation, well... whatever....
Taking a look across all the leading Brexiteers, its difficult to argue against that really
Don't give the British public an excuse by blaming Cameron, the British voters need to take the responsibility for this decision and accept the consequences of their actions.
the British voters bear the responsibility for this decision and they need to learn that and accept the consequences of their actions.
Sadly, most will not have learnt a thing. Learning about stuff is not their strong point.
Hold them to account.
I'm winding up all the Brexiters I know who have switched off to whats going on by constantly reminding them of all the shit that is happening, that we said would happen.
I've really upset some people with the "told you sos" and gloating over Dyson 😀 It's glorious, send people one link and their whole ****ing world falls apart.
The trouble is, people in the UK keep looking at the whole European issue through the lens of Brexit. Whatever deal is or isn't done, the Eurozone's crisis is here, now.
Growth and PMI indicators in all three of the major Eurozone economies are at or heading toward decline. Recession looks unavoidable and yet, Draghi and the ECB have only just stopped QE and bank deposit rates are below zero. They are about to enter recession without any of the tools to fight it.
There’s A Good Chance Draghi Sends The Euro Slumping
Brexit is just one cog in the machine. How the whole thing works out is an even greater concern.
Heres a novelty for you. A Tory minister talking some sense. From the Guardian website:
Richard Harrington, the business minister, said this morning he was “delighted” when he read the boss of Airbus branding the UK government’s handling of Brexit a “disgrace”. Speaking to an audience of German industrialists, he said that no deal must be stopped and he was prepared to be sacked for saying so.
"This is a disaster for business and business needs to know where it is, and that doesn’t mean, ‘Oh great, two weeks before we are leaving, now we can rule out crashing out.
I really don’t believe in this idea. I am very happy to be public about it and very happy if the prime minister decides I am not the right person to do the business industry job.
[A no-deal Brexit] would be a total disaster for the economy, I was delighted to read Airbus’s comments this morning because it is telling it like it is."
Harrington, who has previously said that a no-deal Brexit would be “an absolute disaster” and that he would resign if the government opted for one, was speaking at a gathering of German Industry UK at the German industry in London.
Brexit is just one cog in the machine. How the whole thing works out is an even greater concern.
You are absolutely right. Like the battle on both sides the short term view has obscured the long term situation.
"In Cambridge they spy, in Oxford they mess everything up!"
Hah!
Brexit is just one cog in the machine. How the whole thing works out is an even greater concern.
Germany heavily exposed to China slow down, which has come about mostly because of Trumps trade war… Brexit referendum was used as a trial run for "hacking" democracy ready for Trump's election campaign.
You're right, looking at Brexit in isolation isn't useful… but still clear that Brexit is negative not postitive for nearly all of us staying and working in the UK, and Europe more generally. Not the only problem at hand… but still a major problem.
A Tory minister talking some sense.
Yet he still has confidence in the government (as of last week)
I seem to have become obsessed with a daily visit to the BBC HYS comments, I think this may be the best one I have ever seen.
3 hours ago
@ 7. Kaloody
"Who even are airbus? I only fly Ryanair. No great loss. MORE PROJECT FEAR."
.....Good luck everyone!
Which just illustrates, yet again, how our tribal two party system is just fundamentally incapable of dealing with this whole issue
Germany heavily exposed to China slow down, which has come about mostly because of Trumps trade war…
That's not true (the cause bit)... China's economy has been slowing since around 2015. Their success has been built on exporting to 'the West'. Once you reach a certain level you can't grow your share much more and therefore your total volumes remain broadly at the same share which then grows at the same rate as the Western economies. It was always unsustainable.
I've taken to constantly correcting Leave.eu & others of their ilk on Twitter. I had this reply to me today -
https://twitter.com/truckingfridge/status/1088388370022178816
Don’t give the British public an excuse by blaming Cameron, the British voters need to take the responsibility for this decision and accept the consequences of their actions.
British voters are not responsible in the slightest. Yes, you have to question what is going through the minds of some, but that is exactly the reason you do not take one of the most complex political issues of recent times, and throw it out to the general public for them to decide upon.
The vast majority of which still do not understand Brexit now, despite it being in the headlines for the past 2 years. I don't understand it. I understand what's in the media. And I understand we're in a mess. But I'm not going to pretend to have any understanding at all of the actual task in hand. It's all soundbites, strength and stability, bloody immigrants, backstops, disaster, No deal is better than a Bad Deal... None of it really means anything unless the problem is understood right through, and very few people have that understanding.
It's kind of like Einstein theorising on relativity, before throwing a vote out to the general public asking whether we should go ahead with it.
Boris only got 10k for his speech at JCB. They created the perfect shit storm and milking it to the max.
Looks like THM is back....
For anyone wondering why sterling's strengthened today, Draghi has just had to pledge to keep EUR interest rates wehre they are, at record lows, until at least the summer.
PrinceJohn
Member
I’ve taken to constantly correcting Leave.eu & others of their ilk on Twitter. I had this reply to me today –
pah thats nothing, I had ths one today whilst 'discussing' it with some brexshitters, talk of the damage to UK science took us here.........
Boris only got 10k for his speech at JCB
Pretty impressive getting them to pay for his PM job interview. If only he was half so competent when serving the country rather than himself. He did get 30k for some other speech in December though so I guess JCB got a discount due to the dual purpose.
Looks like THM is back
Excellent. Since I would love to be reassured that the grown ups have it all in hand.
Kimbers, I'm assuming you are winding them up, which is cruel. Please carry on.
In some ways its hard to wind them up, they get angry about things I literally cant comprehend (vaccines for example)
Brexit is just part of their wider religion
I just cant stop picking at the scab though
its just so funny
He can spend as much time as he likes writing his memoirs, the last word on him will always remain with our nations sage, Danny Dyer….
I do hope that ends up on the dust cover along with the other "endorsements".
the British voters need to take the responsibility for this decision and accept the consequences of their actions
Presumably the 52% are OK with that. There are another 48% who have to accept the actions of others.
British voters are not responsible in the slightest. Yes, you have to question what is going through the minds of some, but that is exactly the reason you do not take one of the most complex political issues of recent times, and throw it out to the general public for them to decide upon.
The vast majority of which still do not understand Brexit now, despite it being in the headlines for the past 2 years. I don’t understand it. I understand what’s in the media. And I understand we’re in a mess. But I’m not going to pretend to have any understanding at all of the actual task in hand. It’s all soundbites, strength and stability, bloody immigrants, backstops, disaster, No deal is better than a Bad Deal… None of it really means anything unless the problem is understood right through, and very few people have that understanding
I wholeheartedly disagree, other countries do referendums well. The British public need to be treated like adults and be made to understand that they have to develop critical thinking skills in response to their stupidity.
It is up to the public to identify lies and propaganda and as Eric Bigger once said - "The truth seems to be that propaganda on its own cannot force its way into unwilling minds; neither can it inculcate something wholly new; nor can it keep people persuaded once they have ceased to believe. It penetrates only into minds already open, and rather than instill opinion it articulates and justifies opinions already present in the minds of its recipients. The gifted propagandist brings to a boil ideas and passions already simmering in the minds of his hearers. he echoes their innermost feelings. Where opinion is not coerced, people can be made to believe only in what they already "know.""
Presumably the 52% are OK with that. There are another 48% who have to accept the actions of others.
Do you think it's fair on Europeans, that we stay after the shit we've pulled? We will just wreck the direction they want to take the EU.
Der Spiegel went off on one about this, basically they want us to **** off until we've changed.
It's over, especially after Jeremy failed to support another referendum. Start planning on how to survive the fallout.
We'll get blocked from WTO membership....they conveniently forget that, just like everyone forgets that a delay to article 50 will be blocked.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that under WTO rules the recipient can suggest a tariff, but that level has to be accepted by the other members.
If that's right, then your chap is half right, everyone does have to play by the same rules, but he's wrong in that the recipient sets the tariff.
I worry about the last bit. We know that standards are going to slip, so the goods will be shoddier. That might make them cheaper than they could be, or it could just make the UK the cash cow for dumping cheap shit.