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I refer you to my post earlier on this page.
Which post? About Ireland? They've significantly upped their roll-on-roll off capability, to bypass our ports, heavily recruited customs staff, informed and financially helped companies that will encounter customs procedures for the first time, in good time… etc.
Which post?
Specifically,
Ignorance really is our greatest enemy here, isn’t it.
You sure about the Bamford connection? Too young?
It's to be hoped so otherwise that guy is going to wonder why he's so popular to a bunch of it blokes ..your linked in profile has been viewed a gazillion times
Nice to see the BBC doing the Establishments bidding again by featuring the migrant "crisis" of a few poor souls trying to better their life by crossing the Channel in a couple of rubber boats. A pox on them and on anyone still denying their bias.
Is that what they are doing? Or are they simply reporting on the idea as expressed by the government?
Would rather they suppressed this information and debate? If so, why?
When asked what would be his reaction to Britain leaving the EU., Wolfgang Schauble (the German President) said: “I will cry”...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0001t90
It's hardly a crisis.
Thousands of homeless people sleeping rough on the street is a crisis. Tens of thousands of families forced to use food banks is a crisis. The NHS is in crisis. Its A few boat loads of Iranians crossing the channel.
Mr woppit, they should provide some context for those ideas. Inform and educate, remember. 4000 food bank visits vs 4 migrants per day might be a start? How about the 10,000 ish that crossed into Greece in a day. Iirc.
Ignorance really is our greatest enemy here, isn’t it.
Ah, I see. Can't disagree with that, sadly.
Everyone is broadly ignorant of what happens next, to some degree. What I'm still surprised at is people being so ignorant of what currently happens, and how, yet prepared to back this utterly insane game of playing slash and burn with the current arrangements. Learn what we are prepared to tear up before claiming that after doing so things can carry on broadly unchanged it's the least proponents of pushing on with Brexit should do.
“crisis”
A whole caravan of squirrels!
Actually, the push factor is how desperate these people are.
The push factor is the sanctions you're imposing on Iran you ****s.
Junior was in Iran over the Summer, it was pretty obvious why people are seeking a better life lesewhere. US imposed sanctions are creating real hardship, not for the country's leaders or military, but for the poorest Iranians. The EU tries to resist and should do more IMO. Simply do a China on US Internet services. Cut off Google Facebook etc. and see if Trump changes his mind. May protests the sanctions with empty words.
Incidentally Iran was the country Junior got the warmest welcome of anywhere he's been in his life. Their hospitality was impecable to the point of being embarrassing that people with so little were being so generous, he was given free accomodaqtion and food almost everywhere he went and found it impossible to pay with anything other than friendship.
Something to consider when frozen, hungry, hiomeless people wash up on your shores. There are many more in France and it doesn't make the news, a few of those in France know people in the UK and try to join them. You have nothing to fear, the Iranian refugees in our local center behave impecably. A guy I was chatting with at a Chritmas party teaches an Iranian family French, good people.
The "crisis" is just no deal propaganda FFS.
Is that what they are doing? Or are they simply reporting on the idea as expressed by the government?
Would rather they suppressed this information and debate? If so, why?
They don't have to suppress the story, but they also don't need to sing from the propaganda hymn sheet as written by the government. A more accurate framing of the story might lead to a headline of "Government stokes immigration fears to paper over policy shambles".
might be worth a couple of mins reading re seabourne.
Keeze, this is a really manufactured story isn't it....the BBC talking about the NCA getting involved, Dover being described as a frontline.
FFS, when did we become as deranged as the US and Tony Abbott's Australia?
Dunno if anyone else noticed, but on the first day this "crisis" was being hyped, I'm sure I heard the word "intercepted" to describe the border patrols coming upon the row boats.
Jeez, I don't like going all out on the media as a rule, but I did think "Oh ho, here we go..." "Intercepted" like it's an attack gunboat full of virus carrying zombies.
A more accurate framing of the story might lead to a headline of “Government stokes immigration fears to paper over policy shambles”.
Yes, that would be good or something along the lines of what Edukator has written on why they are leaving. Try to show why they are taking the risk rather than paint them as more evil migrants. A lot of people would only ever understand if this country got into the same state and people became as desperate to leave.
It is lucky we have the christian government looking after everyone
FFS, when did we become as deranged as the US and Tony Abbott’s Australia?
I'd rather be talking about Bing Crosby this time of year, so here's a lazy copy and paste, instead of my own thoughts…
https://twitter.com/jolly_angelina/status/1079526826605727744?s=21
Oh dear, more inconvenient truths that expose the fantasy - but is anyone really listening?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/brexiteers-britain-look-east-asia-singapore
kerley
...A lot of people would only ever understand if this country got into the same state and people became as desperate to leave....
Well, seeing as quite a few EU citizens are recognising the early signs of a racist totalitarian state (rightly or wrongly) and getting out off the UK now, the boot may be on the other foot soon.
I just hope Scotland is out of the UK before then.
As you say, just as well this is a Christian country. 🙂
Christian country- can you imagine how terrified these people'd be if Jesus actually turned up? An asylum seeker that can walk on water?
Christian country- can you imagine how terrified these people’d be if Jesus actually turned up? An asylum seeker that can walk on water?
Brilliant... I'm stealing that!
I also stole it
The worst bit is, he's fleeing Israel on grounds of religious persecution- so if you were to try and help him you'd instantly be branded an antisemite.
Northwind
The worst bit is, he’s fleeing Israel on grounds of religious persecution- so if you were to try and help him you’d instantly be branded an antisemite.
Brilliant. I'm stealing that too. 🙂
The worst bit is, he’s fleeing Israel on grounds of religious persecution- so if you were to try and help him you’d instantly be branded an antisemite.
He could work wonders for the NHS, but he is not welcome if he can't earn £30,000.
Also with his ability with regard to food and drink he could drive Wetherspoons out of business which would be no bad thing.
Thanks kimbers - I very much enjoyed that 🙂
Yes brilliant.
Anyone see the London fireworks trolling brexit?
I only saw the pictures, but the London Eye with white/gold fireworks on each carriage against a blue smokey background reminded me of a certain flag.
😆
What articles like that Chris Bovey article lack is suggestions as to what people should do. He's perhaps too stoned to do anything other than enter into paranoid rants and source his next packet of weed but he needs to encourage people to do something. He should do what he can himself to boycott pro-Brexit business and organise visible protests. I'll never buy a Dyson anything ever (not that I've ever have) or go into a Weatherspoon's pub (never have either) but I'd like to know just which business owners voted Brexit and made that information public so that they never get my business again.
Failing that just stop spending, nothing would do more to force the politicians' hands than crashing GDP. If you are worried about the long term effects of such a move I also suggest that people go on a spending spree the day Art. 50 is revoked.
So my suggestion is buy nothing but essentials from today. And if you are feeling really motivated buy only imported stuff. I don't have an Internet following but if enough Chris Boveys relayed such a message January could be the worst month for British business since Suez.
He’s perhaps too stoned to do anything other than enter into paranoid rants and source his next packet of weed but he needs to encourage people to do something.
Is your obviously vast knowledge of drugs based on watching Reefer Madness a few times? Maybe you need to knock off the pastis.
There's also a thing based on your very original idea already, it's called Buy Nothing Day. Maybe if we just bought less shit we don't need rather than from a few politically safe places we'd all be a little happier and the world would be a slightly better place. If you start making every decision in your life based on politics then there is a word for that, I'll leave you to figure it out since you're such a clever guy.
Anyone see the London fireworks trolling brexit?
Maybe you need to knock off the pastis
I don't touch the stuff.
If you start making every decision in your life based on politics then there is a word for that, I’ll leave you to figure it out since you’re such a clever guy.
"Enlightened" obviously.
That second bit was a NW Original (tm) but I give permission also
“Enlightened” obviously.
Uvavu!
Theresa May will present MPs with new “clearer language” on the nature of the backstop agreement, the foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has claimed
What does that clearer mean?
I'm sure pulling those cutters from the med will really go down well with our European friends, but still, anything to avert the 'crisis'. 🙄
Petition.. Stop Brexit if parliament rejects the deal
I have noticed a lot of people from my neck of the woods are more vocal about leaving than stayin lately..what did I miss
What does that clearer mean?
It means that despite telling us she was off to get a better deal than the only one she could get, she knew it was foolish. Now like a Gammon Abroad she will just repeat what she said a bit slower and louder 3 times and then use some basic sign language.
I have noticed a lot of people from my neck of the woods are more vocal about leaving than stayin lately..what did I miss
In my shop I'm amazed how many older customers are being more vocal about remaining.
There were 3 old dears in my local greengrocers having a right old rant about what a mess it is and how they had enjoyed the march last year.
My shop is in a tory leave area.
It's always worth bearing in mind that however much we like to stereotype and group people, there are lots in every demographic on both sides of the argument. I certainly know quite a few "old" vocally anti-brexit people.
Theresa May will present MPs with new “clearer language”
Expressing it through the medium of robotic dancing has to be worth a shot at this point.
EDIT: Actually, that has already happened. Here she is explaining our trading future to Conference by moving from a large opportunity towards a much smaller opportunity.
I have noticed a lot of people from my neck of the woods are more vocal about leaving than stayin lately..what did I miss
In my shop I’m amazed how many older customers are being more vocal about remaining.
There were 3 old dears in my local greengrocers having a right old rant about what a mess it is and how they had enjoyed the march last year.
My shop is in a tory leave area.
I think people's opinions are getting more and more entrenched as time goes on and they mix/talk to "more of their kind" and feel safer in their point of view as "everyone they know" agrees with them. I'm not sure the result will be quite so cut and dried as we think come Ref2.
What might have passed somewhat under the radar is that Grieve passed an amendment before this Bill was even debated upon, that means that if May's 'deal' fails in the House, Parliament decides the next steps.
Given that there is no appetite for economic suicide, electoral suicide would seem to be in the National Interest.
Heaven help us, and all who sail in us.
That or a 'People's Vote'.
Either way it's unpalatable - one wonders which is cheaper?
Plebiscite or General Election? Can't be much in it, cost wise?
Nope, 130m for last referendum v. 140m for the snap election. LET'S GIVE IT TO THE NHS INSTEAD!!!
Just some very quick googling, I'm sure the figures aren't precisely like for like.
An election won't solve anything. It's a single issue that's dragging the country down and it's a single issue that needs to be resolved. a different bunch saying stuff to get in power and then trying to make their own decisions when they get there isn't going to really get us further forward.
No-one knows what 17.1m wanted when they voted to leave (just get on with it etc), how the hell are we going to figure out what an even smaller number voted for when they vote for whoever wins a GE?
No-one knows what 17.1m wanted when they voted to leave
To be fair to them I think they simply wanted out of the EU, no shared market, customs union or fom. What's complicating the issue now is that over the past couple of years it's become more and more apparent what a complete cockup that would be so politicians are trying to engineer some deal whereby out isn't really out, just not in!
No-one knows what 17.1m wanted when they voted to leave
To be fair to them I think they simply wanted out of the EU, no shared market, customs union or fom.
Yep so nobody knows what they wanted.
so politicians are trying to engineer some deal whereby out isn’t really out, just not in!
Or one where the UK economy won't fall down, it's looking for the least worse option from a load of really bad ones.
If only somebody had explained that at the start.
Have we done Seaborne Freight yet? & their privacy policy & terms & conditions?
Actual copy from Seaborne Freight's actual website with their privacy settings... Note the use of the term 'Business Name' where they've not updated the copy & paste.
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& also from their terms & conditions...
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Also the login form on the timetable page (not that there seems to be any way to sign up) is actually an image that takes you to Google.
Yep so nobody knows what they wanted.
I did. I wanted to stay in the EU.
Or one where the UK economy won’t fall down, it’s looking for the least worse option from a load of really bad ones.
If only somebody had explained that at the start.
They did. It was in the big print, no long words booklet that was posted through the door that most of the Leavers I have spoken to claim was "a load of boring words" and ignored.
@dannyh - any reason for taking the stuff out of the context I put it in?
@PrinceJohn - Their financials don't look great either...someone has to be benefiting from this, where is the link back to Government.
Year Ended
Apr 2018
Total Assets
£42.33k
Total Liabilities
£-416.61k
Net Assets
£-374.28k
Cash in Bank
£799
Employees
Unreported
Turnover
Unreported
Debt Ratio (%)
984.14%
I'm assuming the plucky British start-up that is Seaborne Freight is actually funded by Tory venture capitalists and will be a G4S outsourcing shyster affair.
I’m assuming the plucky British start-up that is Seaborne Freight is actually funded by Tory venture capitalists and will be a G4S outsourcing shyster affair.
Yep, and it was some good work on their part. Such an emergency to get setup that it didn't have time to go through the usual channels and scrutiny etc,. so got waved through.
These are the brexiters who are not stupid or racist, they are just tory opportunists.
These are the brexiters who are not stupid or racist, they are just
toryopportunists.
FTFY
Moggy-Dogg fits that description too.
I wonder in a decade how many Tories and other business folk will have been exposed for wanting Brexshit purely to make money?
Is it me or are the press reporting next to nowt at the moment re Brexit?
Secondly don't govt contracts have to be rendered to more than one of your mates?
BBC has covered the boats, Gove to lie to farmers, PM to Speak Loudly and Slowly at MP's so still being covered but in reality since Parliament is in recess and most of Whitehall will have been off for Christmas nothing has actually happened. Give it until everyone gets back in next week.
any reason for taking the stuff out of the context I put it in?
Yes - my missing the point - sorry.
yeah May needs to run the clock down to force MPs to accept her deal
what can possibly go wrong?!!?
To be fair to them I think they simply wanted out of the EU, no shared market, customs union or fom.
I think you give them too much credit. It's becoming increasingly apparent that many of them "just want out" and haven't even heard of the customs union or single market, let alone any understanding of what these things do and why they might be a good thing.
This is why discourse is challenging. It's hard to get someone to change their opinion when it's one formed a point of emotionally charged ignorance. It's like talking to those clowns who want to ban films they've never watched.
Secondly don’t govt contracts have to be rendered to more than one of your mates?
That gets bypassed for urgent stuff like No Deal planning as there is no time for standard procedures which is why it is more tory opportunism.
This is why discourse is challenging. It’s hard to get someone to change their opinion when it’s one formed a point of emotionally charged ignorance. It’s like talking to those clowns who want to ban films they’ve never watched.
Absolutely, remainers are really blinkered.
I would guess most leavers see leaving as step one to getting rid of Muslims.
Absolutely, remainers are really blinkered.
Was that a generalisation that just swept past....
I think we have acknowledged a large variety of leave motivations, discussed their hopes, dreams and unicorns at length, still no plan that goes through parliament though.
I would guess most leavers see leaving as step one to getting rid of Muslims.
... which is ironic, given that the opposite will almost certainly happen. Lower EU immigration => higher non-EU immigration. Another Page 2 argument.
I had a bit of an argument with my father in law on New Year's Day - he voted leave and we asked if he'd changed his mind given all that is going on. He said no and he wants a No Deal Brexit. It appears his whole reason for leaving is that he once (in the 70s) dealt with some EU bods over some deal to supply materials and he said they were all self serving Germans etc etc. He wouldn't accept that one isolated experience 40 years ago should be the basis for his opinion so then went on to say we could get worldwide deals on our terms. For example he believes (after I pointed out importing food of lower welfare standards and with more artificial additives from the USA isn't a positive step) that we could agree a deal with the USA for them to export to our standards. This is despite them refusing to do so to export to the whole EU, but he fully expects they will for just the UK. Ohh and they (the MIL too) also believe that if we stay we will be forced to join the Euro and they will bring back National Service to help support the new Euro Army. 🙁
Of course , our troops being killed and maimed in the interests of US foreign policy is just dandy.
Just had a look at Seabornes website. It says they will be recruiting in the Jan 2019.
Delivery sailors wanted. Must have clean licence and provide own vehicle.
It’s becoming increasingly apparent that many of them “just want out”
Ben Gummer (Son of Selwyn), and former MP (he lost in 2017 for being a remainer in a deeply leave constituency), was on the radio earlier saying that one of his constituents voted leave as they wanted an end to gay marriage...File that under taking back control?
I wouldn’t blame anyone for voting leave first time around, given the amount of bull being spouted, with the clarity of where we are now you’d have to be spectacularly thick to contemplate that leaving without a deal is even remotely sensible!
was on the radio earlier saying that one of his constituents voted leave as they wanted an end to gay marriage…File that under taking back control?
Fairly standard I believe, I can't remember where, but plenty of articles linking hanging, etc to Brexit voting.
Basically if you are a hate filled arsehole you vote leave.
That sadly sums up members of my family who voted out, plus many others I am aware of.
Also there are just the plainly naieve ones
The language and tone used in papers is appalling. For a report about Ireland gaining jobs as a result of Brexit the Express talks of 'Ireland gloating' and finds a picture of Leo Varadkar with a bit of a smirk. The article talks of Ireland swooping in to take these jobs and similarly France 'nabbed' an insurance firm from the UK.
Use language like this and leavers feel they are being hard done by and that Ireland is stealing jobs, when in fact it is their own actions putting the UK in this position.
Ohh and they (the MIL too) also believe that if we stay we will be forced to join the Euro
The irony being that if we leave, it fails and we have to go back we will have to take all the bits we opted out of with Thatcher & Major.