theocb - kingmaker? Certainly not. Very small cog in a very large number of large machines.
Keep trying. 😉
And months? There's years and years of this to go. The Brexies took 40 years to get another referendum, I'm hoping to get a result sooner, but I'm patient.
Oh and find me the non-factual bit.
Oh and find me the non-factual bit.
I'm stumped tbh. Triple lollies.
But on the living in Europe issue, IGM, you seem to be suggesting that we may face some restrictions in the future. I agree, this may be the case although the I am more optimistic that the EU would not be silly. BUt we shall see, BUT, and it's an important BUT, when May hinted that she wanted to get guarantees on this issue up front - quite sensibly IMO - and agree reciprocal arrangements, the remoaners get in a huff about playing polictics with peoples's lives and using people as bargaining chips. Not shit Sherlock - of course the EU would never do such a thing would they?!
Someone's been smoking something it seems. About the only thing the tories have agreed on from the start is that they want to end freedom of movement.
IGM , you are much better informed on this that I am. Being a fan of full FOM I am very much in the minority on this issue and have blanked it out in the short term. It's too depressing
TBC and to repeat, I do not find May impressive (other than in the very short honeymoon period when she first became PM). As I have said before, I would prefer a combination of the likes of Hammond and Starmer than the current bunch. But that isn't going to happen because petty party policies will always get in the way.
(BTW I enjoy our debates and hope that comments on the previous page did not get misinterpreted)
indeed captain - at least some of them. Crazy idea. But they are not alone in that stupidity. Both major parties have a xenophobic wing that have to be catered to.
So it's hardly the EU being silly then is it.
Who said it was?
Of the Westminster bunch, who sadly look a little second rate these days, I'll agree with Hammond and Starmer.
Sadly we appear to want grown ups as politicians - so no chance also agreed.
BTW I enjoy our debates and hope that comments on the previous page did not get misinterpreted
If and when I take offfence I will be very clear about that. I enjoy a robust debate and from my point of view that's all it was.
I did take offence at something someone else said on this forum, said so, we took it to the PM service, and I think sorted it out. No moderators were involved.
Like I said, big boys rules. No harm / offence should ever be intended, but if it's caused, folk know where they can PM me.
Not even a debate tbh, just thought attempting to link Brexshiters to ISIS was far fetched. Very far fetched. Nothing more esp given the evidence at that point was the "one nutter".
The Brexy-ISIS thing was a survey about 18 months ago (pre-vote, though I think it was published after I can't recall) of 24,000 folk as I recall which asked questions along the lines of "do you support the death penalty?" or "do you support public flogging for sex crimes?" amongst a whole load of more mainstream questions about affluence, class, political allegiance etc - all the normal stuff.
The questions that correlated best with Brexit voting intention were death penalty and public flogging - things ISIS was doing at the time.
I am not suggesting that Brexies support ISIS - I suspect quite the reverse, though I don't actually know that.
Rather I suggest that there are parallels in some of the regressive and reactionary thinking is displayed by both.
How it comes out reflects your cultural background and influences.
Is that a little less far fetched?
Marginally
PS not was I suggesting Brexies are terrorists - thought hadn't crossed my mind (though you have gone and planted it now).
Wreckers? yes
Widespread nasty actions with an absolute pinnacle way beyond anything the remainers have done? undoubtedly, that's documented.
Encouragers of hatred / racism? well that poster of Farage's was pretty near the line, make your own mind up
But not terrorists - I wouldn't accuse them of that.
teamhurtmore - Member
Marginally
I'll take that 😉
thm, you specifically talked about the EU playing silly buggers in respect of freedom of movement. Since May insists that FoM will end, it is entirely specious to claim it has anything to do with the EU.
I will leave you to reread what I actually said.
On the issue of FoM it seems to me that the decent thing to have done would have been to say "we recognise that people have personal lives that are inextricably linked with the freedoms that the EU has provided over a long period of time, and that to revoke those freedoms would create pain where none is deserved. We therefore unilaterally undertake to ensure that nobody currently benefitting from the UK membership with regard to FoM will suffer in the future as a result of the UK's unilateral decision to leave the EU" (or equivalent lawyerese)
Of course other countries woukd then be able to play silly buggers, human bargaining chips etc. That is for them and their consciences.
apparently this was suggested in cabinet [ according to Osborne] and the only person to object was May
I think it was posted on here and an article in the evening standard on this
The Brexy-ISIS thing was a survey about 18 months ago (pre-vote, though I think it was published after I can't recall) of 24,000 folk as I recall which asked questions along the lines of "do you support the death penalty?" or "do you support public flogging for sex crimes?" amongst a whole load of more mainstream questions about affluence, class, political allegiance etc - all the normal stuff.
The questions that correlated best with Brexit voting intention were death penalty and public flogging - things ISIS was doing at the time.
I am not suggesting that Brexies support ISIS - I suspect quite the reverse, though I don't actually know that.
Rather I suggest that there are parallels in some of the regressive and reactionary thinking is displayed by both.
How it comes out reflects your cultural background and influences
Oh dear oh dear, the STW fact checkers are going to have a field day with this horse shite... surprised it's slipped through the net to be honest
theocb - about your normal standard. Check away. I'm in the mood for some comic relief today.
By the way are you enjoying Brexit slowly disintegrating?
I know I am.
[i]MY[/i] normal standard.. delusional as ever kingmaker.
Post up this Brexit/ISIS survey for starters. Let's all have a look at what makes an ISIS member tick and see how the survey interprets that info and connects it to people who voted leave. I'm intrigued, I'm hoping you haven't made one of your looooooong leaps again.
Fact checking 😀
Brexit isn't disintegrating - we are moving closer to positions of compromise. Even the nutters are closing in on a decent transition period. It's getting better each week....The nutters are becoming marginalised
theocbOh dear oh dear, the STW fact checkers are going to have a field day with this horse shite... surprised it's slipped through the net to be honest
No one will even bother. He's equating ISIS, The Islamic State, probably one of the most vicious evil bunch of murderous degenerates on the face of the earth with people who voted leave. This ties in neatly with the [i]STW Leftist Village Echo Chamber™[/i] worldview that anyone who voted leave is at best a xenophobe, which means racist, and obviously a bigot and misogynist too.
I voted remain fwiw, but when I see this kind of blatant intellectual dishonesty, the desire to lie, mischaracterize, slander, and dehumanize people because they have different political opinions it makes me sick.
What's amazing is that people who act like this and spout this BS, either in public or online still can't see how they themselves are part of the problem. How their attitudes and actions have fractured politics, destroyed rational political debate and contributed to the shit storm we're currently in.
....awaits another three week ban.
[IGM - just picked up the message thx.. Interesting thoughts. But more importantly, very, very best wishes]
Gentlemen - start by reading what I wrote rather than what you'd like to think I wrote.
Following that, read this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36803544
Then follow it through to the referenced survey.
At no point, just for the avoidance of doubt did I say theyd surveyed ISIS (sorry to disappoint theocb).
😀
THM - the mood I'm in today this is positively uplifting. And thank you for your last but one post.
Jimjam - I know I'm part of the problem - or at least a problem. And I'm content with that - I can be no other way.
Been there recently - keep posting/chatting/arguing 😉
😀 ..not disappointed, it's exactly as I thought, another delusional misrepresenting a report to make looooooooooooooong and offensive leaps to suit their own bias.
How can we fact check the claimed connection between leave voters and ISIS members if you don't have any facts on ISIS members?
Read what I wrote.
And assume that while I may set out to challenge I do not set out to offend. So be not offended but thoughtful. For by failing to do so you argue my case.
😀 So the link between leave voters and ISIS members was just your own made up horse shit? Not offensive no siree, very considered and thought provoking Captain delusional.
Thanks.
I'm guessing that you didn't read what he wrote then?
theocb - nope.
Have you read the paper based on the survey referenced in that article?
Do you deny that ISIS have previous for capital punishment and flogging?
Ok - so both groups share some values. Agreed?
Now no one is saying that Brexies are terrorists (one Brexy or Brexy influenced individual excepted)
However both groups are quick to offence, demand one version of the truth which all must believe (perhaps a little exaggeration for effect, but you remember "enemies of the people" or "crush the saboteurs"?)
The thought processes are disturbingly similar.
Of course background and culture leads to a different expression of those thought processes - thankfully.
And yes I prefer Brexies to ISIS.
But on a brighter note, thank you, you have provided a fun diversion on an otherwise difficult day.
both groups are quick to offence, demand one version of the truth which all must believe (perhaps a little exaggeration for effect,
Perhaps....perhaps???? 😉 you finish the night with the fun medal _ theocb is a distant second
Oh go on - joint first place for him
No chance 😉
[anyway, sleep well and very best wishes and +vibes ]
[quote=jimjam ]He's equating ISIS, The Islamic State, probably one of the most vicious evil bunch of murderous degenerates on the face of the earth with people who voted leave.
I'm not sure about an IQ test before allowing people to vote, but a comprehension test before posting on STW might improve the standard of debate.
Yes It's difficult to "comprehend" this 😉
THM - to be fair though, the remainers even now have refrained from killing people they disagree with. Unlike say, ISIS or the Brexies.
Excuse me IGM 😀
Two people doing the same thing does not mean that those two people are the same.
Stop trolling THM!
Lame excuse e4-e5
Right THM, that's you banned for the same offence as jimjam. I can't think of a single other reason for your post than your inability to comprehend - feel free to offer one up though...
Isn't it past your bedtime anyway?
😀
At least IGM had the grace to elaborate in private - but carry on. Watching gross exaggeration is fun.
😀 "banned" for not swallowing BS - brilliant 😀
Guys - while this is factually correct, let me accept I worded it badly.
THM - to be fair though, the remainers even now have refrained from killing people they disagree with. Unlike say, ISIS or the Brexies.
I was not suggesting both ISIS and brexies should be on the list of proscribed organisations - merely that one or more of their supporters might have transgressed on the old Thou shalt not kill thing.
I do not equate them although they share some values - according to news on ISIS and research surveys on Brexies.
THM has seen my wider theories on angry people.
THM - explain as you see fit. Disagree as you see fit.