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Spot on Binners,although you left out one slimy wee toad.
The Gove,oozing around the sidelines,waiting,hoping beyond hope.
How many outright 'lies' can she tell before she's held to account.
we won't hold a new election
- let's have an election
there's no chance of pulling this vote
- we're delaying the vote
we will not revoke A50
- we're waiting.......
The statement from the EC above is crystal clear, but I hope she goes there and gets told to **** off back home again
To be fair to jam bo, Walter did regularly allude to documents to which he was privy but normal people didn’t have access.
What an utter coincidence.
Feeling the strength and stability
Good point just made .....
Last week this deal wasn't negotiable and it was this or no deal.
Yet now the vote on it should be delayed so she can go back and renegotiate it?
Absolute laughing stock
Last week this deal wasn’t negotiable and it was this or no deal.
Yet now the vote on it should be delayed so she can go back and renegotiate it?
To be fair I think I've walked out of meetings like that wondering why people didn't spot it as I said it confidently.....
But you know it's only a matter of time before it gets found out. At least some MP's have found a spine today
Good point just made …..
Last week this deal wasn’t negotiable and it was this or no deal.
Yet now the vote on it should be delayed so she can go back and renegotiate it?
Mm, so you're saying there are some inconsistencies in what she's saying.
I'd never noticed that before. I'll keep a close eye on what she says from now on. Perhaps there will be more inconsistencies.
theotherjonv, or no brexit 🙂
strong and stable has sent the pound into freefall
Absolute laughing stock
if only it was funny...
Mm, so you’re saying there are some inconsistencies in what she’s saying.
There are inconsistencies in what everyone is saying.
Corbyn is saying there is no point in delaying because the EU won't renegotiate, but then blithely carries on and explains how he plans to renegotiate.
Vince Cable is telling Corbyn to put forward a no confidence vote when it is in his power to do it.
Likewise, Nicola Sturgeon is saying much the same, but could get one of her MPs to do it for her.
The full Andy Serkis video is on YouTube:
Corbyn is saying there is no point in delaying because the EU won’t renegotiate, but then blithely carries on and explains how he plans to renegotiate.
Corbyn's starting from a different place tho. Their tests rule out anything but a soft Brexit don't they? So they can got for Norway+ or whatever.
Instead of 'we need to leave the single market and CU, how can we keep the Irish Border open?' they are saying 'we need to keep the Irish Border open, which will mean staying in the CU and SM, so what's the best we can do on FoM?
Vince Cable is telling Corbyn to put forward a no confidence vote when it is in his power to do it.
Likewise, Nicola Sturgeon is saying much the same, but could get one of her MPs to do it for her.
Would make sense for the leader of the opposition to be the one to do that. He should have the first opportunity to put that forward. No inconsistency in those statements
Mefty, mefty, mefty… >sigh<
Corbyn is saying there is no point in delaying because the EU won’t renegotiate, but then blithely carries on and explains how he plans to renegotiate.
A good article on Jezza's 'policy' on Brexit. If its not too insulting to our collective intelligence to refer to it as that
It’s crunch time for Labour. Empty posturing on Brexit will no longer do
The EU could not have been clearer or more unbending on this point since the vote in 2016 (and long before). The only way to get frictionless trade with the single market is not by forging “a new and strong relationship” with it, as Corbyn writes, but by being in it, as we are now. Equally, you cannot hope to leave the EU and simultaneously retain “a British say in future trade deals” done by the EU. To argue otherwise is to offer the same cake-and-eat-it, unicorn-filled impossibilism peddled by Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg. That it comes with a red rosette on its lapel does not make it any less dishonest. Which is why even one of Corbyn’s most senior shadow cabinet colleagues told me the leader’s article was “poor”, while its central claim – that there is some new, alternative, backstop-free deal just waiting to be negotiated with Brussels by Labour – is “nonsense”.
Corbyn is saying there is no point in delaying because the EU won’t renegotiate, but then blithely carries on and explains how he plans to renegotiate.
EU says the deal is fixed by May's red lines, not that they won't reach a different deal with a different set of red lines.
But you knew that and were just trying to obfuscate.
the Tories can't keep ol' weak and wobbly on now
binners, it doesn't matter what Corbyn's position is, he is not PM. He could be a better leader of the opposition, true. But May is the PM actually controlling this shitshow.
the Tories can’t keep ol’ weak and wobbly on now
Problem is they are in minority at this point the DUP are gone, so could a new leader survive a vote of no confidence?
There are inconsistencies in what everyone is saying.
Is that the best defence you can come up with?
And a quick reminder to make sure you are registered up to date
https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote
EU says the deal is fixed by May’s red lines, not that they won’t reach a different deal with a different set of red lines.
For all intents and purposes, Corbyns red lines will have the same effect - he wants to stop freedom of movement.
Starting to here the words inevitable along with second referendum on various news programs today. Getting very hard to see a way forward.
Put up or shut up time for the Brexiters.
Its easy for the SNP and others to say that labour should go for a confidence vote. However for labour its a vote they can only push when they are sure it will pass - and the DUP have said they will back May in a confidence vote and its highly unlikely significant numbers of tories would vote "no confidence". Winning in a confidence vote strengthens May a lot. Labour cannot risk losing it.
he wants to stop freedom of movement.
You could argue your way round that. Simply by imposing some restrictions on 'free movement' you could tick that box.
Thank god that the grown ups have been behind the scenes all along....
Oh no, hang on a minute. No grown ups were available to actually deliver an impossible fantasy to a load of tosspots. Grown ups being in short supply when it comes to implementing something childish.
I didn’t actually think we, as a ‘nation’ could make ourselves look any more stupid, but it turns out we can.
Go us!
Time for some hard ball, some tough stances, to stand up for what we believe in and out values... Said the EU
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1072190546863669248
https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1072195021552738310
I'm assuming it has something to do with cake.
I heard some of that lot on the radio. To pick some classics
Of course he wants to tell you we need a second referendum, he wants one
May didn't play our strongest cards in the negotiations
It was her fault she didn't get the right deal - despite being told by the presenter it was claimed to be the easiest deal in history
Despite being told the EU said no more talk, she was confident there would be a better deal - it's what people voted for....
We won't ask them again, they voted for it (repeat to fade)
A waste of taxpayer money for May to even bother flying out there tomorrow
£100k wasted on Facebook adverts in the last week trying to sell May's deal
Why the **** are they even prolonging this? When does a "grown up" put their hand on May's shoulder and say "enough". Has any PM in history clung onto power for so long while being so staggeringly useless?
We need not so much a "grown up" at this point as a Guy Fawkes.
Fair play, Rizzle Kicks are the shittest band I've ever seen at a festival- and I've made some questionable choices- but I think Mr Rizzle there has found his calling
Channel 4 news this evening - Did I really hear that Northern Ireland costs the Uk more than our membership of the EU? Mind blown if correct.
If you include the £one billion bribe to the DUP? 😉
I would expect government spending in pretty much all regions to outstrip the EU budget. Last year EU contribution was 9 billion, crossrail cost 16 billion, heathrow expansion estimated at 14 billion, hs2 56 billion.
Only one of those things benefits the whole nation.
Jeremy Corbyn says he would like to apply for an emergency debate on the prime minister's decision to delay the vote on the Brexit deal.
The way the government intends to call off the vote - without allowing MPs a say - shows a "disregard for Parliament", he adds.
Ministers are "avoiding a vote on a change of business as they fear they do not command a majority", he says.
Theresa May has also not given a time when the vote will take place, he says.
Back again for 3 hours in the morning to debate the postponement of the vote.
I don't think I've seen so much anger from both sides before, one meek little backbench MP reading from the provided card. A brexit secretary who can only read from the approved script despite how ridiculous his answers sound. Meanwhile a PM in off to say
The commons vote should be forced, I agree with that, canceling is an abuse of process. And she'll only come back with the same deal, the EU is consistent.
The speaker was raging too- basically order of business turned upside down and instead of announcing it properly the tories decided to leak it to the press, meaning that sitting MPs who were in the debate were pretty much the last to find out. The whole thing's obviously incompetent and cowardly but that in particular is just douchbaggery.
If something looks afoot amongst the tory cabinet, I expect more than one to shoot it.
She said ‘risks are too great’ and she is going back to Brussels to secure ‘legally-binding assurance’ we won’t be trapped in backstop indefinitely
It's almost like they don't understand what 'backstop' means...
Bar fight! Lol!
why the **** did that idiot labour mp grab the mace, that just gives a distraction the press will lap up, and fuel to the brexit loons. The tories are in disarray and instead of doing anything worthwhile he just resorts to juvenile antics. FFS is there not one worthwhile politician in the country in it's hour of need.
There is a little bar fight going on in the BBC comments, mostly involving leavers taking aim at their feet
I think the point is Parliament is not allowed to sit without the Mace as it signifies Royal Assent. It was his protest at the government not allowing a parliamentary vote.
the daily express is having a breakdown.
Some positives then’n
Could the government be held in contempt for a second time? Maybe they will go for the hat trick?
an accurate tale of how it all unfolded 😉
What an absolute ****in shambles.
At least Nero got his fiddle out while Rome burned
Prediction for the day:
More mayhem
Leadership challenge (Boris didn't get a neater haircut for nothing)
Pick one or both. 🙂
Strong and stable.
Well R4 with sturgeon this morning clarifying that Labour are the only ones who can call a motion of no confidence.
Going to be a busy day.
What a farce, I want to believe there's some shrewd behind-the-scenes political maneuvering going on like you'd see on a political drama series, sadly I think it's more like how Spitting Image portrayed things.
It almost makes me pine for the days when the Tories were nasty and competent.
I'm sure it's more
Ledsome just came up with the same nothing will change. What is obvious is none of them have read the legal text, or are blatantly ignoring it.
And now the eu have form for cracking at the last moment. Waste of space.
Shrewd would be creating chaos right up until the last minute where the only option left is to remain (voted on as the action across the parties so no one party will lose out)
The thing that puzzles me is that surely under the terms of our EU membership we already had all the powers to control the issues that were the basis for the referendum campaign, especially immigration.
Isn’t the Maybot visiting individual EU leaders to try and drum up support for concessions she knows she won’t get from the commission?
Well, it’s an understandable approach. That worked really, really well the last time she tried it, didn’t it?
Not long until we hit the 100 day countdown.
If it does all go belly up, how many tins of beans do I need to stash to weather the storm?
Shrewd would be creating chaos right up until the last minute where the only option left is to remain
Well not exactly. Leave it to the last moment with no action and we crash out.
If it does all go belly up
Errr..
Errr..
Fair point!
IF she had a clue what was happening, going back to the EU now, knowing full well that they won’t give an inch, would scuttle anybody who says “we would renegotiate”
However...........
The slow motion car crash just got even slower.
The analogy doesn't really work any more.
More like the government is on the event horizon of a black hole. Frozen in time from thier perspective but already gone from the perspective of the outside observer.
Well not exactly. Leave it to the last moment with no action and we crash out.
We won't crash out, nobody wants that to happen (except for the nutters like Rees-Mogg) and when it comes down to it if we can't get an extension and can't agree on any deal then the only option left is to revoke A50 which we can do unilaterally. That is what will happen.
And now the eu have form for cracking at the last moment.
I'm not a master negotiator (certainly not in the Davis / Raab mould 😉 ) but telling the other party that they always fold at the last only makes them less likely to fold at the last.
Also on the 'renegotiation' - I don't remember but doesn't the deal need complete ratification by the r27; if a renegotiation is done would that also need r27 approval?
“Should happen” Never underestimate the will of a politician to grab an opportunity for power.
I don’t remember but doesn’t the deal need complete ratification by the r27; if a renegotiation is done would that also need r27 approval?
The A50 Withdrawal Agreement doesn't need all rEU member countries to agree to it (although currently they have) but an FTA does. This is one of the reasons the Withdrawal Agreement was never going to form the basis of an FTA in place of membership.
This is a long filibuster, talking down the clock until enough MPs get in line, wiht ERG diehards balanced by Labour brexiteers who what to see some sort of brexit, so the deal goes through.
not a low risk strategy but my guess this is what the (never forget) longest service home secretary of modern times is trying to achieve. It's awful to watch.
and when it comes down to it if we can’t get an extension and can’t agree on any deal then the only option left is to revoke A50 which we can do unilaterally. That is what will happen.
Which as a remainer could be TM's plan all along. She might not feal she can go directly against the referendum vote, but if parliament won't agree a deal it gives her the option of revoking article 50. "With huge regret, but in the national interest" ect, ect.
Never attribute to malice anything that can be explained by "Let's get through the week and see what turns up".
but that doesn't solve her problem or the tory dichotomy, the 80 or so UKIP mps in her own party the national interest doesn't come into it.