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what has the EU ever done for us?
"Brought peace"?
A letter of no confidence in The Maybot has just been delivered to the 1922 committee. She is about to deliver her conference speech…
Hahahah
What also surprises me (kind of) is just how little effort seems to be going into government IT systems to factor in brexit and that senior management on the ground don’t really seem to be planning for contingencies a, b, c and d they’re just waiting for any agreement details to come to light before deciding what to plan for, that will be way too late though.
Money innit. I know of some stuff that's been done but only by the people who don't need to do much so they were able to budget for it.
Plaid leader calling for 2nd ref now. Not much, but it could be another 4 votes, and it could be close.
What also surprises me (kind of) is just how little effort seems to be going into government IT systems to factor in brexit
Imagine being the PM costing the manpower and cash costs. Errr we need to update our system but we don’t know what they will need to do or when they need to be ready by....
you could of course go worst case but in my experience this never goes down well in the meetings as people don’t like bad news or often reality
Imagine being the PM costing the manpower and cash costs. Errr we need to update our system but we don’t know what they will need to do or when they need to be ready by….
you could of course go worst case but in my experience this never goes down well in the meetings as people don’t like bad news or often reality
Erm perhaps that's because worse case scenario is we don't need IT systems... I'd imagine the systems to cope with exports from Dover for example might just be a part time guy with a pen and paper ....
I’d imagine the systems to cope with exports from Dover for example might just be a part time guy with a pen and paper ….
exports can be quite complicated due to various tax and duty reliefs and refunds that rely on proof of export being lodged
Brexit helping to crush science in the UK,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45727317#comment_131999789
In order for a Norway type deal to work we would need a magic money tree like Norway has.
Funnily enough, we had one just the same. But Norway spent the fruits of their tree on infrastructure and a sovereign wealth fund, whereas we used them to give people tax cuts.
Theresa May:
”To those of us who respect the referendum result.......”
Well, that’s me out, then.
Also gotta love the way Maybot has just announced the end of austerity. Like just saying it will make all the issues that brutal cuts to public services have caused for people go away.
Arrogant, uncaring, insular, petty minded, i’m alright Jack muppetry. And she is still seen in some moderate quarters as the best option because she’s not that **** Johnson or that **** Rees Mogg.
How did we ever end up with this shit shower in charge?
Because people are thick, uneducated, racist, self serving, little Englanders that want £40k for driving a forklift.
Simple....
But they will get well and truly ****ed by the JRMs.
Its called Kharma and it always catchs up.
So the japanese are pissed off, they might now have to compete directly in Europe?
I wonder what the ratio of Japanese car sales compared to German brands are or the PSA group.
So. People’s Vote, second referendum, Ref2... whatever. Seems to be a growing swell of support for the concept. Pie in the sky? Too little too late? Scare tactics to force a deal? Whadaya reckon? I think it’s possible, and whilst I hear the concerns about a leave backlash, I think that the masses of people who weren’t that bothered last time ARE bothered now, and they mostly fall on the ‘WTF are we doing to ourselves?’ side of the fence. I can’t help but thing Remain would walk it this time, which makes me think that it wouldn’t be allowed to happen. Thoughts?
Mickmcd - I suspect it’s more to do with
a) us no longer having a free trade arrangement with the EU (and even if we do negotiate a deal it won’t be as good because by definition it can’t be) and
b) they now have (unlike us) a free trade agreement with the rest of the EU and
c) they don’t have a free trade agreement with us.
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1891
I think that the masses of people who weren’t that bothered last time ARE bothered now, and they mostly fall on the ‘WTF are we doing to ourselves?
I think most people are worrying about selfies and X factor and don't actually pay any attention. Its why there should never have been a ref in the first place.
I think most people are worrying about
What is the basis for that....
Here's why the Japs are shitting themselves
do you think the Europeans who make oodles more cars are going to buy a Japanese car, not a bloody chance.
do you think the Europeans who make oodles more cars are going to buy a Japanese car, not a bloody chance.
Seems stange that if nobody in Europe wants Japanese cars then that the report you quote says that acces to the European market is one of the reasons for Japanese companies investing in the UK
“These investors were attracted to the UK by... access to the European market...”
I can’t help but thing Remain would walk it this time, which makes me think that it wouldn’t be allowed to happen. Thoughts?
But you forget that most MPs were also remain. They've been forced to go against their personal viewpoint because of their constituencies or parties. And now we've got a party whose remainer membership has forced its policy (properly and democratically); the other party's leadership is weaker than ever and it's looking like alienating its coalition partner. Any cohesion in the political establishment we might've had is crumbling rapidly.
And now we’ve got a party whose remainer membership has forced its policy
I hope you're not talking about labour, where pro brexiteers in the leadership outflanked any real remain policy by promising that if bananas turn brown under a blood moon and an owl flys backward at midnight, then maybe just maybe they might consider other courses of action.
Give over
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">And the fact that 40 percent of their European sales are made here in the UK , is a strong reason to punt your crap here the Europeans will be as protectionist as they can be without appearing to be when VAG and BMW start throwing a strop.</span>
Nissan were already courting plans to shut facilities based upon stopping diesel car production.
Buy British unless it's a Jag are your options and non of you lot can afford a McLaren.
phil, if you're trying make a point, you might have to make it a bit clearer....
When this all goes tits up, everything gets really expensive and only the rich can afford to drive will the roads be really quiet so we can all ride our bicycles everywhere without fear of being smeared into pink paste?
Japan just signed free trade deals with EU for cars.
They don't need UK anymore to access the EU Market.
People in the UK will still buy cars from the EU and Japan. What else can they buy ?
So May is now apparently seeking an "All-UK" customs union, I assume this means that we will be controlling our borders in name only - but will get shafted when it comes to our own ability to work in Europe, as partly suggested by this article?
https://www.ft.com/content/389cd4bc-18ab-11e8-9376-4a6390addb44
Well, she mentioned "frictionless trade" quite often in her speech. Anyway, this is another Corbyn&Co policy being lifted and tried out in the media, no? Labour allowed her to accept the idea of a transition period, when many in her party were against it (she just rebranded it as an "implementation period"), and now she's moving towards the Labour leadership's "a customs union" fudge… but under another name…
Oh, a handy reminder that "Labour don't need a clear policy, they're not in power" is as bogus as regards Brexit as it would be about anything else. The ruling party never operates in a policy vacuum (unless others parties allow it to). Any half decent outcome from this mess is totally reliant on the "opposition", they can, and should, move the country either towards a Brexit deal that makes sense, or offer the country a way out. They could argue that they are, with baby steps, but…
Tick. Tock.
I never voted to leave or stay but I'm watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
Nice.
Well "Europeans" will still be able to work in 30 different countries, without jumping through visa requirements.
"Europeans" will have one (important) new country to avoid sourcing "just in time" components from, we'll have 30.
Most "Europeans" will still have 27+ countries they can export to, without the hassle of paying VAT etc at borders.
"Europeans" will be able to marry other "Europeans", and have their family in the same country as them, without having to earn twice the average wage to gain that right.
"Europeans" will be able to drive all over Europe, without paying, and waiting for, new documentation and insurance.
"Europeans" will be able to retrieve medical attention in neighbouring countries… etc, etc…
I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
Why? They are simply applying the rules of their club, that we chose to leave.
Anyway, lolling at people I know who tried to claim this wasn't about immigration but thems EU bureaucrats who have actually made their working rights worse. Now you are going to have to follow their rules and not have a say!
I hope it really goes tits up to be honest, some brexiters I know are visiting Scotland for the first time in years this week. I told them that it's best to go now, as they might need a visa in future. The response was "but Scotland is part of the UK"! It hadn't occurred to them that their great patriotic struggle against the repressive EU may end up in them needing a Visa to visit relatives in their own ****ing country, when Scotland decides to leave!
Cretins.
when VAG and BMW start throwing a strop
#TheGermanCarIndustryWillSaveUs
same shit different day.
I hope...
Your hopes are already dashed. The general feeling is that Europe would have us stay but doesn’t want an interminable period of watching the party of power (whichever that may be) squabbling with itself over how to please xenophobes without any supporting evidence for that objective. Federalists would rather see the back of the U.K. in the long term.
I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
What exactly are they doing except for acting in the interests of the EU?
Can you blame them for doing that?
Ace. I'm burning my house down in the hope your shed also catches fire.
Tick. Tock.
Not really. It is just a deadline that will be missed just like most other deadlines the EU misses. I would put money on nothing actually happening in March and an extension to the deadline occurring. The 2 year A50 timing was just an arbitrary number and has never actually been used before.
Calm down Phil, us European dont give a monkey about Brexit.
You are still going to buy wine, cheese cars etc...
It is going to cost you more for sure. Sadly you are obsessed with money and profitability and you have let go of your basic industries and now you are going to pay the price for it.
Ace. I’m burning my house down in the hope your shed also catches fire.
More like, burning some waste paper in a bin in your garden, in the hope that it burns down your shouty alcoholic mentally disturbed asbo neighbours house down.
I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
Yeah!....stick it to them philxx1975...that's the british way......
Here....have a lollipop to fill the void
Once this goes tits up, I'm going to set up an Instagram account "brexitjerryoftheday" where I will be posting every instance of Brexiters or demographically likely to be Brexiters, crying about losing their jobs to BBC Breakfast etc.
It will be glorious.
I would put money on nothing actually happening in March and an extension to the deadline occurring. The 2 year A50 timing was just an arbitrary number and has never actually been used before.
Good job our MPs haven't written the date into UK law then, isn't it.
You assume the normal EU pragmatism still exists on "both sides", and clearly think our PM is bluffing, when she says that the exit date will not be moved, or that anyone that can replace her in her party would be willing to move the date.
You also haven't listened to recent proclamations form EU staff, and ministers of EU countries, saying that they now just want it done with, and are no longer prepared to let our internal arguments to continue to extend uncertainty on all sides indefinitely.
Tick. Tock.
What exactly are they doing except for acting in the interests of the EU?
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don't like it **** off to where you fancy living ,see if the nice Europeans will give you your mercy visa.
Tick. Tock.
I will see you in March...
It's good to have philxx1975 on this thread (and the tory thread) to demonstrate the problems we have. That level of bitterness, hatred and ignorance is sadly very common.
nothing actually happening in March
Something has to happen…
- new government, willing to pass new law to change exit date
- a reason for ALL EU governments to agree to extension of our membership
- or we Leave
This isn't like normal negotiations, where the status quo can be maintained by setting a whole series of new deadlines. Something absolutely does have to happen in March.
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off to where you fancy living ,see if the nice Europeans will give you your mercy visa.
I'm planning to do this funnily enough. I had the opportunity a few years back but, unfortunately, not anticipating Brexit, did not take it. Now i have to wait a few years to be eligible to drop my (soon to be useless) UK passport. The irritating thing is that Brexit may still take my right to work, right to remain, healthcare and pension before i can swap nationality, so i really hope mercy visa's become a thing.
If i have to return to the UK i might get stuck with stealing your jobs, lazing on benefit and selling drugs to school kids all at once to try an cover my losses 😀
philxx1975
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I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.</div>
curious why you would think that?
All the EU have said from day 1 is that we cant keep the benefits of membership after we leave
which seems pretty straight foprward
also, yopu do know that nissan, mitsubishi & renault part own each other & share factories & designs etc?
also I nelieve 2/3rds of nissans sunderland cars are exported, the majority into the EU
and one of the main reasons that they are made here is that within the SM & CU trade is about as frictionless as it can be
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off to where you fancy living ,see if the nice Europeans will give you your mercy visa.
What good will picking a side do? Will it make things magically better as I can blame the EU for the UK's suicidal approach to this?
It's basically exactly what was predicted but Brexiteers told us it would all be fine and the EU would give up on it's principles to accommodate us.
It’s good to have philxx1975 on this thread (and the tory thread) to demonstrate the problems we have. That level of bitterness, hatred and ignorance is sadly very common.
As opposed to stamping your feet because it's not what you want to hear ....diddums
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off to where you fancy living
I am where I fancy living and I want it to remain in the EU. Having said that if I win the lottery this weekend I'll forget about lack of capital and language skills and sod off to Europe or Scandinavia anyway before the xenophobes start building the wall.
also I nelieve 2/3rds of nissans sunderland cars are exported, the majority into the EU
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Nissan do indeed .They designed UK specific models of their cars also , so that should save them a headache in the future and a few quid.</span>
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Mike I keep coming back to the argument if it's so bad then go live in Europe where it's great. Stop knackering the process for those that want to leave and crack on with your own plans life isn't fair get over it. You still have a choice even if that's making the best of what you might consider a bad job.</span>
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">You could counter that with if we had voted to remain then the other half should also have the same said, if you want to leave Europe then go live in Mexico, </span>
But no in the usual British way instead of getting on with it you now have two tribes ****ing it up for everyone
As opposed to stamping your feet because it’s not what you want to hear ….diddums
Proving my point exactly.
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off
What would this picking a side mean?
<span style=”font-size: 0.8rem;”>Mike I keep coming back to the argument if it’s so bad then go live in Europe where it’s great. Stop knackering the process for those that want to leave and crack on with your own plans life isn’t fair get over it. You still have a choice even if that’s making the best of what you might consider a bad job.</span>
No one is, we simply want to hold them to account knackering the process for us.
Why should we make life easy for leavers?
As if I have any social contract with leavers.
Having said that if I win the lottery this weekend I’ll forget about lack of capital and language skills and sod off to Europe or Scandinavia anyway before the xenophobes start building the wall.
Give over if you had the money, you sound like a proper remoaner if it's not what I want blah blah democratic blah blah when it suits blah blah MTFU and crack on is what you need to do, it's happening get over it.
Add poor to slowoldman then.
Very much considering putting my spare time into learning Swedish, to help me get a company transfer to the Nordics. Stay 5 years and get residency.
French would be easier tbh but I'd prefer the Nordics.
Mike I keep coming back to the argument if it’s so bad then go live in Europe where it’s great.
We already live in europe and yes it is great.
But no in the usual British way instead of getting on with it you now have two tribes **** it up for everyone
There's only one tribe trying to **** it up for everyone, and one trying to prevent the **** up.
Also, Phil, I don't give two shits if my actions or the actions of remainerrs end up spoiling the prospects of some leavers.
Karma and an eye for an eye , lack of social contract with leavers etc etc.
I'll be voting out of pure spite for whichever party ****s up the Brexit heartlands the most.
Hilariously, that will probably be Tory.
French would be easier tbh but I’d prefer the Nordics.
Scottish would be even easier.
so that should save them a headache in the future and a few quid
if they didnt have to import most parts from within the eu, with extra costs &* red tape thanksto brexit, then it would
what it does mean is higher prices for uk consumers, but hey, blue passports!
unless of course you do think that the eu should let us keep benefits after we leave?
So phil just out of idle curiosity what is it "we need to get on with" whats the cunning economic plan to improve the wealth of our average UK family?
Let me guess you/they dont have one....
Let me guess its empty words...
Let me guess its wealth reduction...
Let me guess we have **** all to sell that can be made by a semi/unskilled workforce at sufficient margin to make sense...
Let me guess we are going to train and educate the masses to develop AI software and Robotics supported by nano technology industries....
So lets get on with it...
Hang on no "you" can get on with it - your shout your ball.
stamping your feet
lol
**** off to where you fancy living
I see what you mean.
Mike I keep coming back to the argument if it’s so bad then go live in Europe where it’s great. Stop knackering the process for those that want to leave and crack on with your own plans life isn’t fair get over it. You still have a choice even if that’s making the best of what you might consider a bad job
LOL PMSL etc etc a process, how is that going? How am I getting in the way of this?
if they didnt have to import most parts from within the eu, with extra costs &* red tape thanksto brexit, then it would
what it does mean is higher prices for uk consumers, but hey, blue passports!
unless of course you do think that the eu should let us keep benefits after we leave?
Its a Nissan hardly the end of the world is it?
Vote with your feet.
Vote with your feet.
What by stomping them and telling us how it's all so unfair and it's everybody else to blame that it's not all going as awesomely as people hoped and prayed it would be.
Financial Times has reported
Mrs May is said to be working on a scenario for “the whole UK to participate in a customs union with the EU” if no other answer for the Irish border is found.
This could see the UK stay in a customs union until another trade deal is finalised, the Financial Times reported.
Well we all know what comes with 'the' or 'a' customs union... seriously, what a carry on.
Let me guess...
Two World Wars and one World Cup,Lalalalala.
Any chance of maybe a high level post brexit economic plan from your good self?
Or is blind faith in the messiah (Jacob Rees Mogg)
Build it and they will come maybe?
Polite request by the way.
Wonder how the Nissan Factory workers feel about "its just a Nissan" maybe its just a few (thousand) jobs.
Scottish would be even easier.
Outwith adapting to the fud the language would be needing learnt.
Scottish would be even easier.
If Scotland split and joined the EU I'd be joining the traffic jam on the M6 coming to put your house prices up.
Phil the reason Brexiteers dont last long in this thread is because they dont offer any vision or plans.
Seems stange that if nobody in Europe wants Japanese cars then that the report you quote says that acces to the European market is one of the reasons for Japanese companies investing in the UK
“These investors were attracted to the UK by… access to the European market…”
Well they currently aren't Japanese car's... they are made in EU cars on 2 levels...
1) We screw em together in the UK
2) The component parts to screw together come mainly from across Europe...
Phil has a plan… he wants our biggest export market to suffer financially, and he doesn't care if there is a knock on effect on UK based workers. He also wants us all to move out of the country, taking our productivity and tax contributions with us.
Scottish easier Scotroutes? I have been here 30 years and still cannae speak the language 😉
Phil the reason Brexiteers dont last long in this thread is because they dont offer any vision or plans.
That's not entirely fair... they offer both ..
Plan - > Exit EU
Vision -> See what falls in our laps
Picture this..
A meeting berween an Investment Bank and a new startup www.brexiteer.com
IB so whats the business proposition?
B well we are going to attack the worlds emerging markets.
IB with what?
B not sure at the moment but we just need to get on with it.
IB how much investment is required?
B we really need an unlimted line of credit
IB when do you forecast a profit?
B well maybe 50 years.
IB what collateral do you have?
B the united kingdom and all its people
IB anything else you want
B yes £350m a week to help fund a not for profit organisation
IB **** off
And that Brexiteers is the real world.
Vote with your feet.
Like many of the elite in charge of brexit are doing?
How many people do you want left in this glorious post brexit UK?