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Surely we agreed to all the rules when we joined? It's not like they are making stuff up is it?
Its not hard to work out who is making things up on this thread
That is what it all comes down to, Jamba is out of shape that Poland gets money. That's pitiful
milleboy - "agreed to all the rules?" We MADE the rules, in large part. The brexiteers exhibit stunning hypocrisy and ignorance in equal measure.
On the EU, May was tackled about reported comments from Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European commission, that she was “living in another galaxy” when it came to her demands for trade talks before an exit bill of up to £50bn a year was settled.May denied this was the case: “I’m not in a different galaxy but what this shows is that there are going to be times when these negotiations are going to be tough; we need strong and stable leadership.”
She was also tackled by Marr over her use of soundbites and slogans, but the prime minister continued to use her favoured phrase about showing “strong and stable leadership”.
Word perfect. Yeah. 😆
Jamba - you stated earlier that May wanted to negotiate / solve the issue of EU citizens rights in the UK - can you please provide a source? 'cos All I saw was an attempt to use their position as bargaining chips
can you please provide a source?
TeeJ, here's some fog, nails and a hammer. See that wall over there? Right, off you go. 🙂
dd - thank you. the irony detector is strong with you. 😉 you put my point far more effectively.
No time scale given on Reuters Twitter feed or any public access Reuters news feed I can find, Jamba. If you copy paste the quote we'll find it even if it's behind a pay wall.
I'm genuinely interested because if Marine trying to con people that leaving the EU and Euro are no longer a priority but really intends to go for it in your time frame then people need to know and I'd pass the information on to Bayrou.
does make you wonder where the whole defence thing will go, parts for those eurofighters are expensive
Does "strong and stable" remind anyone else of the smell of horse manure? And thats no bullshit. 😉
Been checking around news sites today reading about the Brexiteer's other poster girl, the neo-fascist Le Pen. Still can't find any reference to a 12-18 month delay.
jamba, you remembered where you heard it yet? You didn't just make it up did you?
@igm no "we" really did not. The UK government said right at the start post the Referendum we would like to guaranty EU citizens right to stay, the EU said no discussions till A50. Then we add on the ludicrous Brexit bill nonsense. We have funded their vanity project for 40 years, no longer it's over.
- The Sun 2015“Up Yours Delors” declared The Sun on November 1, 1990
Nope, the Brexies have been at it for a long time.
It seems to me you lot started it.
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How i would laugh if the GE put May in a worse position.....
Marine Le pen's Euro position is getting more comical. Today she said that an elite (bankers, institutions, companies) will continue with the Euro but we petit peuple will have to make do with something worth less.
I'm amused because giving privileges to the the financial elite is not what here working class voters will want to hear.
Marine Le pen's Euro position is getting more comical. Today she said that an elite (bankers, institutions, companies) will continue with the Euro but we petit peuple will have to make do with something worth less.
Not sure she hasn't been taking lessons from the Chinese, the little people can have Francs, the bankers can have Euro, just double side the coins, everyone wins.
Lepen voters are working class and unemployed .she has just chosen à potential pm from the opposite party ?
Doesn't make sense.
does make you wonder where the whole defence thing will go, parts for those eurofighters are expensive
Two options
1 - keep up the collaboration and nothing changes
2 - become a customer to Europe or the US as the UK cannot afford to develop a new military jet from scratch any more. The US is probably the only nation that can really afford to do it but then they spend 12 times as much as us on the military (although the difference in GDP% is not so stark)
Surely we agreed to all the rules when we joined?
I never voted to accept the Lisbon Treaty, did you?
I never voted to accept the Lisbon Treaty, did you?
Did you vote on Magna Carta? We live in representative democracy.
We live in representative democracy
In that case surely you have no right to complain when the government announce that its full steam ahead for hard brexit then? 😀
on yer bike...
In that case surely you have no right to complain
😆
I see kindergarten is out again ninfan
@dd Reuters. I mentioned it a few pages back.
@tj you'll need to look back to the period after the Referendum was in the papers / news website for weeks. The only people playing games on this issue are the EU. Latest ludicrous stance is that EU member state citizens in the UK shoud be governed by ECJ as ultimate authority even post April 2019.
@Pigface did you read the BBC link I posted ? Media have frequently used the example of Poland as a big EU recipient and a country that doesn't want to accept a cut in its budget receipts as a result of Brexit
Have to laugh at EU's stance that you can't have "selective" sector by sector access to the single market - that's just what Canada just signed.
@dd Reuters. I mentioned it a few pages back.
Just need a source jamba. That's all. I'm genuinely interested if that's her position. It's just that the last two or three days have seen plenty of changes on her part in a desperate last grasp for power. I tend not to trust the leaders of parties with a strong vein of neo-fascism running through so just trying to get a handle on what she might do next.
And by the way, this:
you'll need to look back to the period after the Referendum was in the papers / news website for weeks. The only people playing games on this issue are the EU.
is just bollocks and you know it. (Or perhaps you don't and are truly convinced that your opinions become facts if you keep saying them over and over?) You've got to stop letting hatred and fervency cloud your judgement.
Have to laugh at EU's stance that you can't have "selective" sector by sector access to the single market - that's just what Canada just signed.
Going to need a source for the EU saying "you can't have" that. Just a source dude, then it can be debated.
Here you go, save you Googling
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-election-eu-le-pen-idUKKBN17V0PH?il=0
@dd absolutely not bollix, May, Tories, Leave Campaign (inc Boris, Gove and Gisela) repeatedly said they wanted to guaranty the status of EU citizens on the basis the EU did the same. It's the EU who refused to discuss it and who are now proposing this ridiculous ECJ "condition". It makes no sense to do unilaterally as Corbyn has suggested Labour would do.
As for sources I just read and watch the news and current affairs programmes. Numerous media outoets are reporting that EU wants ECJ to remain the supreme court for citizens rights. Post 2019 if you live in the UK you'll be subject to the jurisdiction of UK courts full stop. That's one of fhe reasons May is softening her stance on replacing the ECHR, as once UK courts are the final arbiter we can establish our own case law and decsions around issues such as deportation. Also once out of the EU we won't have to treat EU citizens equally to our own, so post a prison sentence for example they can be deported.
Ah I see which bit you got it from:
If everyone is agreed we could take a year or a year and a half to organise a coordinated return to national currencies
So she reckons she, a leader of a neo-fascist party will convince the rest of the EU to return to national currencies.
Best of luck with that Marine. 😆
Frankly, all she's shown in the last few days is that she'll say anything to get a few more % in the polls.
Also once out of the EU we won't have to treat EU citizens equally to our own
I can imagine the tumescence that accompanies those words as you write them. 😐
Does "Strong and stable" actually cut any mustard, DD?
😀
"Strong and Stable"
Sounds familiar. We seem to be hearing that a lot. Only the other day our strong and stable Mummy May was seen sneaking in the back door of a community hall (or something like it) 16 miles outside Aberdeen to address lick spittle placard bearers. "Teresa on the campaign trail." 😆
"Strong and Stable"
I suspect she's not actually strong. We'll see. Her work at the Home Office was a bit underwhelming: child abuse enquiry, various poorly thought-through ideas about encryption, and, was she responsible for the total waste of money that is the "police and crime commissioner" nonsense?
Strong and Stable is just this election's Long Term Economic Plan Which Is Working. It doesn't matter what you say as long as you say it in every paragraph. Even if it doesn't make any sense in the context- How was your weekend? Well we have strong leadership and we're bringing stability. How would you like your steak done? Strongly.
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Came a across a fuller version of this on Twitter, might as well go to the WTO now as that is where the negotiations are going. Better start to think what to do with the Pensioners et al in Spain who will have no right to healthcare etc.
Came a across a fuller version of this on Twitter, might as well go to the WTO now as that is where the negotiations are going.
Only if you return May in June as it were...
Only if you return May in June as it were...
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With the media behaving the way it is???? Does anyone think May is going to lose?
Yes Jamba I read it, no big surprise Poland don't want to lose out because of our decision. Who would in their position. The rest of that article really doesn't add up to its title, I wonder if you have read it.
Bloody media bias, you're right - I know for a FACT that John major would have won the election in 1997 if it wasn't for spitting image, and as for how William Hague was treated, he would definitely have won too if it wasn't for the biased media reporting of things he said and did, like the baseball cap and drinking eleventeen pints.
@dd absolutely not bollix, May, Tories, Leave Campaign (inc Boris, Gove and Gisela) repeatedly said they wanted to guaranty the status of EU citizens on the basis the EU did the same. It's the EU who refused to discuss it and who are now proposing this ridiculous ECJ "condition". It makes no sense to do unilaterally as Corbyn has suggested
Complete bialls We had an agreement on EU nationals. Brexit tore it up. You need to take responsibility for the consequences of your choice and not keep trying to blame foreigners. Corbyn 's proposal would at least have the merit of being humane and decent. I realise that you get off more on "strong and stable".
Corbyn 's proposal would at least have the merit of being humane and decent.
Would it have been 'humane and decent' if it didnt also unequivocally ensure the rights of UK nationals living abroad? Do you not get the idea of reciprocal agreements?
Would it have been 'humane and decent' if it didnt also unequivocally ensure the rights of UK nationals living abroad? Do you not get the idea of reciprocal agreements?
If I see someone dying in the street, am I allowed to help him without first securing agreement that he will help me in similar circumstances? Do you not get the idea of "humane and decent".
Isn't the first rule of first aid to avoid becoming a casualty yourself?
http://guerillawire.org/politics/theresa-may-under-investigation-re-brexit-profits/
hmm, would be happier if this was from a slightly more main stream source.
Do you not get the idea of "humane and decent".
I really don't think he does, no. Sociopaths don't generally.
What Dr J said.