[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

There are 400,000 French in London, many will have businesses and families in the UK now so it's no surprise some are doing their best to stay. I would expect "doubled" would mean from one low number to another, as previously there was no need for a UK passport.

But ask yourself - if you were a smart young Euro looking to move and shake things up a bit, would UK be at the top of the list any more?

No not for me either.

As for those disparates from the much poorer EU countries working for a fiver an hour on the black market, or exploited by criminals at their country of origin, or part of gangs, will they still come?

Now that we are to be a sovereign nation again, we must bring back imperial units (Daily Telegraph, 2nd April 2017)

Hard to believe this is real. Good grief.

and good luck finding people who understand them. I am 50 so can use metric and imperial as have used both all my life but most people under 30 won't have a clue.

a cwt what now...

[I]and good luck finding people who understand them. I am 50 so can use metric and imperial as have used both all my life but most people under 30 won't have a clue.[/I]

Yep.

Last time someone said this to me I responded with "agree, the chain is a much under-used measure - and remind me, how many stone in a hundred-weight?".

Knobs.

I'm early 50's and can work in both, yet many folk can use neither competently - ie what does a kilo/pound 'feel' like.

@welshfarmer where are you thinking of going and doing what?

We're 100% English - no fast EU passport route for us - but have links to a community in France where we're welcome, we're doing the "what-ifs".

Knobs

Word.

50 too.

Journeys in miles, bike weights in pounds, everything else metric! There are people who want to go back to £ s d too (12 d in a s I believe). And some who are willing to pay any price to get a blue passport.

Pathetic.

Science lessons about to get harder then.

Even the Americans use metric for science these days (because the numbers actually work out without odd conversion factors that really just change the imperial back into metric for the calculation).

Telegraph idiot is also wrong. I frequently buy pint bottles in the supermarket and pour them into pint glasses at home if needed.

I know not all Brexies are idiots, but some of them...

I know not all Brexies are idiots, but some of them...

You can play an endless substitution game with this.

Not all leave voters are *s but most *s voted leave.

Far be it from me to suggest the wildcards. 😉

mattjg - Member

As for those disparates from the much poorer EU countries working for a fiver an hour on the black market, or exploited by criminals at their country of origin, or part of gangs, will they still come?

Chuck in free health care, housing and education for yourself & family ... it's a very tempting offer. Especially if one of your family has a health concern already.

Of course we will be using imperial units, Brexit is all about recreating the myth of Empire, listen to the rhetoric;
A great trading nation, ruling the waves, global Britain, They need us more than we need them, Johnny foreigner reduced to someone who is seen not heard? (like moomans coment??-you can pick our fruit out of sight but you better bally well not be in my GP surgery!!),
Feet and inches, pints and pounds, hurrah!!!

Deluded jingoism at its finest

kimbers - Member
(like moomans coment??-you can pick our fruit out of sight but you better bally well not be in my GP surgery!!),

Except mooman didn't actually write that ...

Which kinda illustrates the problem the typical Remoaners has ... their superior intellect interprets thick racist comments into logical & intellectual facts; but unfortunately only their own minds can see it.

Which kinda illustrates the problem the typical Remoaners has ... their superior intellect interprets thick racist comments into logical & intellectual facts; but unfortunately only their own minds can see it.

Whatever your point, this remain voter (I won't answer to Remoaner, no democrat would use that phrase) needs it explained more simply please.

Hard to believe this is real. Good grief.

I put the date on the link because I honestly had to check it to make sure it wasn't their April Fool's story!

Clearly it all went wrong when we went to a metric currency. Perhaps post-Brexit will see a return to groats, or shiny pebbles, or the skins of our fallen enemies? 😆

"God Save The Queen" is to be officially replaced as the national anthem by "One World Cup And Two World Wars"

I put the date on the link because I honestly had to check it to make sure it wasn't their April Fool's story!

The journo is probably just filing copy to get his invoice paid.

But some of the readers probably believe it!

I wasted my one "Premium" story a day to read the full content. He really doesn't say much beyond what you get in the preview:

But we have been forced on to the Celsius temperature scale, which is less precise than Fahrenheit; we can't buy groceries in pounds and ounces, or petrol in gallons, or wallpaper in yards, even though these measurements are second nature to most of us.

Laws criminalising imperial measures must be repealed. Pol Roger has announced that it will once more sell champagne in Churchill's favourite pint measure: British companies must now follow where a French one has led.

No reasoning. No discussion of the pros and cons. No thoughts on the possible impact of this change. He just says we should do it and then bibbles off onto other swivel-eyed stories, specifically:

Huge amounts are spent investigating so-called “hate crimes” that are nothing of the sort: it is pretty hateful to have one’s home violated by a burglar....
..If the police won’t prioritise the hate crime of burglary, the Crown Prosecution Service should stop prosecuting those who give burglars what is coming to them

And

It will be very hard for the Government to explain its reasoning if Mr Farage remains un-knighted come June.

😯

Wow. And in his next breath he'll be saying "why won't remain voters get behind us".

How many flaggons are there in a groat anyway?

But some of the readers probably believe it!

Yeah I'm not sure who exactly he means when he says "these measurements are second nature to most of us".

I suspect he specifically means people like him, Telegraph readers in their late 50s and beyond.

Pounds, yards and gallons are pretty far from "second nature" to me and I'm in my early forties.

You could just replace pretty much all of Simon Heffers delusional ramblings with the sentence "Weren't the 1950's absolutely bally marvellous? Lets got back there, shall we. NURSE!!!", and have done with it.

In fact, that pretty much covers the entire output of the Daily Telegraph

I can't see the whole Heffer article, it's paywalled but the part I see is pure Poe's Law. "celsius is less precise than fahrenheit", someone explain to this man how to do fractions...

GrahamS - Member

Yeah I'm not sure who exactly he means when he says "these measurements are second nature to most of us".

I suspect he specifically means people like him, Telegraph readers in their late 50s and beyond.

Like he said, Us. Everyone who doesn't is obviously Them.

kerley - Member

and good luck finding people who understand them

Games Workshop nerds.

I can't see the whole Heffer article

I posted the rest of it. What little there is.

But we have been forced on to the Celsius temperature scale, which is less precise than Fahrenheit

WTAF?

The UK is a very attractive place to live and work

It was, until it voted to get rid of all the bloody foreigners.

It doesn't make the place look good, does it?

GrahamS - Member

I posted the rest of it. What little there is.

Ah sorry, I thought that must just be edited highlights

I think he means that the Fahrenheit is more granular.

On the [i]perfectly sensible[/i] Fahrenheit scale, the freezing point of water is 32 °F the boiling point is 212 °F - so 180 degrees between. For some reason.

Whereas that silly Celsius scale goes from freezing at 0°C to boiling at 100°C - so only 100 degrees between.

I do love the idea that Celsius is some evil foreign measurement that displaced the good British imperial Fahrenheit scale.
I mean "Fahrenheit" is not a exactly a common British surname is it? 😆

[I]Ok, anyone able to enlighten me as to why it's more acceptable (possibly aimed at the Leavers/Brexiters) to let migrants in who'll earn MORE than £35k pa than just let migrants in?[/I]

What, no Brexiters in yet?

I assumed that seeing as the tabloids were dictating the rest of government policy, post-brexit, we'd be switching to their recognised units of measurements..... double-decker buses, football pitches, and how many of a thing you have to stack end-to-end to reach the moon

People that need accuracy and a consistent unit of measurement for temperature use Kelvin and Celcius though don't they?

"Experts" eh?

Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit was Dutch, born in Poland.

By the end of the 20th century, Fahrenheit was used as the official temperature scale only in the United States (including its unincorporated territories), its freely associated states in the Western Pacific (Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands), the Bahamas, Belize, and the Cayman Islands.[b] All other countries in the world now use the Celsius scale[/b]

So clearly we should be going straight back there 😆

Maybe we should compromise and go back to Centigrade?

I mean "Fahrenheit" is not a exactly a common British surname is it?

Pounds, yards and gallons are pretty far from "second nature" to me and I'm in my early forties.

100 Fahrenheit is the body temperature of a cow, or something precise like that, isn't it? (suppose I could Google, but CBA)

That Torygraph article must be a troll.....surely!?

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725 ]looks like net migration isn't high enough[/url] oops we need [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39507859 ]more people[/url]

My wife worked for a long time in social care, it will be the old poorer people needing state funded care the most, or Brexiteers if you like. And I my Wifes experience is anything to go by they don't like being looked after by Nigerians and Kenyans.

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit ]According to Wiki[/url] it is even more arbitrary than that DrJ:

According to a letter Fahrenheit wrote to his friend Herman Boerhaave, his scale was built on the work of Ole Rømer, whom he had met earlier.
In Rømer's scale, brine freezes at zero, water freezes and melts at 7.5 degrees, body temperature is 22.5, and water boils at 60 degrees. Fahrenheit multiplied each value by four in order to eliminate fractions and increase the granularity of the scale.
He then re-calibrated his scale using the melting point of ice and normal human body temperature (which were at 30 and 90 degrees); he adjusted the scale so that the melting point of ice would be 32 degrees and body temperature 96 degrees, so that 64 intervals would separate the two, allowing him to mark degree lines on his instruments by simply bisecting the interval six times (since 64 is 2 to the sixth power).

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Well full marks to Fahrenheit for creativity.

The UK you say. Nope never heard of you, now back in your box 😆

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39565700

Maybe we should compromise and go back to Centigrade?

or as a forward thinking globalised economy we can adopt the Kelvin as our standard measure of temperature. Further as a modern forward thinking country all non SI units should be scrapped and no allowances made for those who wish to cling to outdated concepts such as pints and furlongs.

The UK you say. Nope never heard of you, now back in your box

Could there be a more fitting foreign secretary to deliver us our place in international irrelevance?

Its tragic and funny in equal measure. The cartoonish, bumbling [s]cockwomble[/s] representative of the new 'Global Britain' told to sit down and STFU first by America, then the EU.

Its all panning out great, this role as a newly unconstrained international diplomatic and economic superpower, isn't it?

now I'm all for SI units for many things but it would help if someone could decide which units were to be used for air or gas volumes. There are 5 units SI/metric in use for air or gas that we come across from around the world. Then we get into the system resistance units, its all a bit irritating really when you were trained by old guys int 70's.

In Yorkshire we are still using cfm n inches w.g. (its cheaper) as every Brexiteer will be fully aware.

I imagine measuring gas volume must be very important in Yorkshire, since it produces so much hot air.

True enough on the useless hot air. It will become important though with our fracking based oil supplies. You none Yorkshire moaners will submit to our oil power, bit like our wool power of 400 years previous. Still they'll be those that will moan but Yorkshire will be itself.

We be needing your water too, so you're staying. Scotland can go, can't drink oil.