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The sky won’t fall. You won’t starve. Life will continue as normal.
All your panicking and denial is just upsetting you. So stop.
%th
Its already made a huge difference.
Massive recruitment issues in the NHS and in seasonal farming jobs
Many tens of thousands of highly paid / skilled jobs gone or going
Billions wasted and loss of economic activity worth 500 - 1000 per person in the UK that will be ongoing.
The sky won’t fall. You won’t starve. Life will continue as normal.
I see I don't know what we were worrying about setting that as our aim
The sky won’t fall.
true
You won’t starve.
true
Life will continue as normal.
clearly this is not true
Agreed. Billions wasted simply in administering this freak show of self harm. Now that could have gone to the NHS.
The sky won’t fall. You won’t starve. Life will continue as normal.
Two throwaway platitudes that add up to nothing meaningful and a statement that is bollocks.
You’ll get one mark out of hundred if you put your name on the answer booklet, though, so well done you. At least you didn’t get 0/100.
The sky won’t fall.
Probably true
You won’t starve.
I may well not, but as the numbers who have already died due to Tory cuts testify people will die.
Life will continue as normal.
So why did we have a vote if nothing will change?
I knew the definition of success for brexit was falling but now we've gone from "there will be adequate food" to "the sky will not fall". Bangin. I'm going to apply the same pragmatic approach to my next work performance review and declare my year to be a success as long as I don't step on a gravitational anomaly and get fired into space.
Brexit doesn’t need facts or data it is a faith.
Indeed it could be considered a cult.
Cult, I said cult.
You won’t starve
People are already going hungry, having a lot to do with austerity driven by supposed lack of money due to an economic downturn. We face another much worse downturn.
So you might not starve, I might not, but a lot of people will come pretty close. I think he is displaying the true trait of a Tory - not being able to understand other people's problems.
Northwind with another difficult day at work
I think he is displaying the true trait of a Tory – not being able to understand other people’s problems.
Followed by blaming them for bringing it on themselves and thus being ‘not my problem’, presumably.
It’s like the Harry Enfield character ‘Loadsamoney’ is now the role model.
People are not worried because they feel it won’t impact them.
If there are food shortages and controlled distribution it won’t be the spirit of the Blitz. It has been shown we are not in this together. There will be profiteering and theft will increase.
The old and the weak will suffer as they always do...
Just thinking about it and they have closed the police station in my hometown and with the 4 old folks homes/sheltered housing at least my house will be lower on the rob list...
A question, based on musical instruments but may still be relevant. This is based on legalities not practice. Comments i have come across suggest you currently need paperwork for Norway and Switzerland....
It seems that if you want to take high value items across borders you need a carnet? and customs documentation.
Currently i can goto the alps with a bike with no issues about paperwork.
Brave new world, i want to take 1000's or pounds worth of bike across the channel, assuming we leave the SM and CU would paperwork be required?
I think he is displaying the true trait of a Tory – not being able to understand other people’s problems.
Yep, but it may not be his fault. Could be a mixture of nature and nurture. Have selfish right winger parents and also a genetic make up lacking in empathy
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/study-finds-that-genes-play-a-role-in-empathy
We need to take all these people who lack empathy and 'retrain' them as society will only get better if people look out for each other.
Cult, I said cult.
I don't think you've spelled that quite correctly
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Plenty of people including me have travelled all round the world with a few thousand quids' worth of bike. Can't see why it would suddenly be a particular issue for the EU. Of course 'no deal' could mean everything is up in the air but in that case there are bigger things to worry about...
In other news I see there's growing unrest about a [url= https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-45053412 ]democratic process[/url] which was 'won' with 51% of the vote, although many people suspect that the 'winners' have lied, cheated and abused the system. Surely the losers should shut up, after alll it's 'the will of the people'. Democracy eh...
Travelling on holiday won't be a problem, probably.... however shopping online from outside the UK will be a pain and of course back to customs checks at the Ferry should mean the queue will be so long the bike will have devalued enough by the time you get there to not be a problem.
Plenty of people including me have travelled all round the world with a few thousand quids’ worth of bike.
I have done so, but actually curious about the legal situation, i have done a bit more digging and it seems that the you need the paperwork for professional kit, and a few other categories. So i am guessing that a professional sportsperson would need paperwork but a holidaymaker doing similar wouldn't
Be nice to have some confirmation though.
Be nice to have some confirmation though
Id file it in priority order somewhere below life saving medication and fresh food. If we had any hope of seeing clarification on those in the next few months just might think somebody was actually looking at it.
Yep; good interview i thought, covering both the impact of Brexit so far (est neg 2% on GDP compared to if we hadn't voted out) and also that that impact is despite the stimuli they put in place to mitigate the effects.
Also that they have stress tested 'worst possible case' scenarios and feel that the financial institutions would continue to operate thanks to the extra reserves they have put in place.
At no point do i recall him saying that 'stuff would just sort itself out'
Id file it in priority order somewhere below life saving medication and fresh food. If we had any hope of seeing clarification on those in the next few months just might think somebody was actually looking at it.
Agreed, but then again if it impacts on the technician coming over to fix something because they need paperwork for their kit.
Some of our work kit requires carnets, usually they're training environments, particularly those using our appliance-based systems like firewalls or session management devices (rack-mounted server, records EVERYTHING you do). I think only vehicles or big crates of photographic kit require a carnet if you're a holidaymaker & even then only if you're going somewhere odd, like Uzbekistan or post-brexit Britain
I dont like cricket
I love it 🙂
Everywhere you go in the whole world they say Johnson is penis
From that BBC article…
Brexit-backing Conservative MP Peter Bone was dismissive of Mr Carney's message, describing his remarks as "just another example of the ongoing Project Fear campaign".
What I don't understand is… whenever someone is clear that they are preparing for Brexit, the usual suspects slam them with the "project fear" bullshit, rather than welcoming the fact that what they have campaigned for, and are still pushing, is happening, and that so much effort is being put into enabling it for them. Ungrateful gobshites.
Agreed, but then again if it impacts on the technician coming over to fix something because they need paperwork for their kit.
At worst it will be something like US or Aussie coming to the UK/EU at the moment, but as we have no concept of what the arrangements will be so the details are not there at the moment
What I don’t understand is… whenever someone is clear that they are preparing for Brexit, the usual suspects slam them with the “project fear” bullshit, rather than welcoming the fact that what they have campaigned for, and are still pushing, is happening, and that so much effort is being put into enabling it for them. Ungrateful gobshites.
yep & peter bone has been banging on for ages that we need to prepare for a no deal
hes an abslute muppet!
What I don’t understand is… whenever someone is clear that they are preparing for Brexit, the usual suspects slam them with the “project fear” bullshit, rather than welcoming the fact that what they have campaigned for, and are still pushing, is happening, and that so much effort is being put into enabling it for them. Ungrateful gobshites.
It's just yet another example of the fact that there is simply no reasoning with these people. They're beyond reason. No matter what happens, unless it involves the re-establishment of the British Empire, they will never ever be satisfied. They're insane and totally delusional. Lost in a world of paranoia, xenophobia and nationalism.
And of course, when it fails to deliver on their ludicrous fantasies, it'll all be everybody else's fault
At worst it will be something like US or Aussie coming to the UK/EU at the moment, but as we have no concept of what the arrangements will be so the details are not there at the moment
The question i would then ask, it appears that you need Carnet's to cross Switzerland and Norway, in which case it will be needed post Brexit. As someone above mentions it is done of truck loads not individuals items. I have no experience of this hence the question.
Quite probably, as we don't have a deal yet don't expect a definitive answer.
Travelling for work is a whole other can of worms whether or not you are carrying expensive kit (and travelling for business meetings and conferences etc when not being paid by the host country is usually covered under a tourist visa/exemption IME but it's always seemed a bit dubious to me).
At no point do i recall him saying that ‘stuff would just sort itself out’
It will sort itself out given enough time. Some will be largely protected from the fallout and are selfish so it is not a problem for them.
WW2 devastated the country but it sorted itself out (after years of rationing, impact on poor etc,.) and by the 1960's most were okay again so that was around 15-20 years.
Different times with less efficient international trade but was pre EU.
I think I'm right in saying that checks on instruments are to do with Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES ). I doubt bikes would be subject to similar checks.
t will sort itself out given enough time. Some will be largely protected from the fallout and are selfish so it is not a problem for them.
WW2 devastated the country but it sorted itself out (after years of rationing, impact on poor etc,.) and by the 1960’s most were okay again so that was around 15-20 years.
If you think all of that happened just by accident or by itself then it's a touch misguided.
I think I’m right in saying that checks on instruments are to do with Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES ). I doubt bikes would be subject to similar checks.
To a point, but there is also an issue with the value of the items and taxes that should be paid if they are being imported for sale.
Sure, life will go on. It's just that it will be a diminished and poorer life for a large majority of people, all for no valid reason. Similarly, the govt could decide to invest billions in digging a huge hole, and then more billions in filling it in. We would survive that too, but few would recommend it as a policy decision.
The great depression sorted itself out in the US in about 19040/41, but only really because they were gearing up for war in the immediate time before they joined. Personally, I would not be keen on waiting for a global conflict to start before seeing a country improve its outlook.
I feel sure that in the economic carnage of a no deal Brexit at least one of the leading Brexiteers will suggest invading France
In other news I see there’s growing unrest about a democratic process which was ‘won’ with 51% of the vote, although many people suspect that the ‘winners’ have lied, cheated and abused the system. Surely the losers should shut up, after alll it’s ‘the will of the people’. Democracy eh…
So despite all the misinformation from Banks, Wigmore, Patel, Elliott and assorted Brexiteers - it turns out - "The Electoral Commission dismisses claims the Remain campaign broke electoral law"
Also
Theresa May will not annul the Referendum result after the Electoral Commission confirmed brexiter spending illegalities, because to void an advisory referendum that was won on lies, cheating and illegal overspending, "would be undemocratic" Does anyone follow that?
Does anyone follow that?
Well the full response is a bag full of winning
The British people voted to leave the EU and the Government respects that decision. We have always been clear that as a matter of policy our notification under Article 50 will not be withdrawn.
The British people voted to leave the EU, and it is the duty of the Government to deliver on their instruction. There can be no attempt to stay in the EU.
The result of the referendum held on 23 June 2016 saw a majority of people vote to leave the European Union. This was the biggest democratic mandate for a course of action ever directed at any UK Government. Following this, Parliament authorised the Prime Minister to trigger Article 50, passing the EU (Notification of Withdrawal) Act.
In last year’s General Election, over 80% of people then voted for parties committing to respecting the result of the referendum. It was the stated policy of both major parties that the decision of the people would be respected. The Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will of the electorate.
This was not a decision made after just a few weeks of campaigning, but one that came after a debate that had taken place both in Parliament and across the country for decades.
We are committed to making a success of the British people’s decision to leave the European Union. And that is how we have always approached the negotiations - anticipating success, not failure. It is vital that we try to reach an agreement that builds a strong relationship between Britain and the EU as neighbours, allies and partners. Not just for those who voted to leave but for every citizen of the United Kingdom. We were given a national mandate and this Government is determined to deliver a deal in the national interest.
As the Prime Minister has said: “This is about more than the decision to leave the EU; it is about whether the public can trust their politicians to put in place the decision they took.” The British people can trust this Government to honour the referendum result and get the best deal possible. To do otherwise would be to undermine the decision of the British people. The premise that the people can trust their politicians to deliver on the promises they make and will deliver them in Parliament is fundamental to our democracy.
Our focus is making a success of Brexit and attempting to get the best deal possible. A deal that is in the interests of both the United Kingdom and the European Union. And one that takes in both economic and security cooperation.
It is the Government’s duty to deliver the will of the people and reach a desirable final outcome.
Department for Exiting the European Union.
The government is determined to deliver the will of the people regardless if that changes or not
If you think all of that happened just by accident or by itself then it’s a touch misguided.
Of course it didn't happen by accident, just as post Brexit won't happen by accident, it will be managed by subsequent governments and will eventually be okay again. 100% not worth doing and I would never do Brexit but I can't deny it will be okay again at some point.
100% not worth doing and I would never do Brexit but I can’t deny it will be okay again at some point.
Not snappy enough to put on the side of the bus
I heard Mark Carney on the radio this morning. The first person in a while I've heard talk any sense about anything Brexit related. Essentially, being prepared for all outcomes going forward, sensible no?
Yet out come the comments following the broadcast that he's pushing an agenda and part of "Project Fear".
Therefore I still have no idea what those in favour of Brexit actually want
WWII and the great depression didn't 'sort themselves out'. The governments and nations affected put in a shitloads of work and spent a shitloads of money sorting it out.
We now have to do similar, for a disaster entirely of our own making, that has affected no-one else.
They want unicorns and cake. They want a painless brexit where we get to stick two fingers up to the EU and get rid of all the bloody foreigners while everything else continues to work as usual. In their world, "preparing for a no-deal brexit" means getting a few boats down to dover so we can send the foreigners back, it doesn't mean stockpiling medicine and wondering how the **** the health service is going to survive the crisis.
The fact that what they want doesn't exist isn't an issue for them, because when it fails to materialise it will be someone else's fault.
Personally, I would not be keen on waiting for a global conflict to start before seeing a country improve its outlook.
Well I’ll it does appear that the trump is pushing for war with everyone everywhere (except Putin) so......
Not snappy enough to put on the side of the bus
I know, I have never been one for catchy slogans - I missed any hint of a creative gene.
Sure, life will go on. It’s just that it will be a diminished and poorer life for a large majority of people, all for no valid reason. Similarly, the govt could decide to invest billions in digging a huge hole, and then more billions in filling it in. We would survive that too, but few would recommend it as a policy decision.
That’s the long and short of it.
IF a hard Brexit made all the gammons actually stop and go “well that was a shit idea, but at least I’ve learned my lesson”, it might be a microscopic ‘benefit’ from the whole fiasco.
But they won’t. Nothing short of a return to Empire will do that. Unattainable, unrealistic and deluded, and they’re going to screw the rest of us over, then blame us for not ‘getting behind Brexit’. ****s.
We’re all effectively being held hostage by absolute nut-jobs who reject any ‘experts’ evidence or reality, in favour of totally unrealistic, xenophobic flag-waving horse-shit
Isn’t democracy brilliant
Isn’t democracy brilliant
Yes. If the people are worthy of it. The ‘Great’ British public? I have my doubts.
Just been reading that the legislation for the referendum stated that the result couldnt be over turned if cheating was involved. If that's true then it goes to show how much influence was put on it at that stage.
But the result wasn't binding anyway, it's the government's choice.
I feel sure that in the economic carnage of a no deal Brexit at least one of the leading Brexiteers will suggest invading France
I think Lord Howard already suggested going to war with Spain over Gibraltar
war with Spain over Gibraltar
Got to keep their tax havens open and under control...
some of the statements are pretty laughable in their expectations of the two factions with polar opposite viewpoints coming to an agreement especially with the split being almost even... there is no halfway house that satisfies anyone...
Belfastflyer - here’s the referendum act, make your own mind up. But as I read it it didn’t say anything about cheating, neither that it would / could be overturned or that it wouldn’t / couldn’t.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/36/contents
*taps mic
Well, they’ve had the decision taken away from them now haven’t they? After years of not listening, the government will now have no choice but to invest in these areas, otherwise we’re all screwed. Ultimately this vindicates those in these areas voting for brexit, doesn’t it?
Skillful.
Well, they’ve had the decision taken away from them now haven’t they?
An advisory referendum has created a political existential crisis. I agree with you. yes it has.
After years of not listening, the government will now have no choice but to invest in these areas, otherwise we’re all screwed.
Yes! I've said this for a while. We do, we need to invest money to mitigate the economic. and social upheaval seen in post 1970s Britain. Agreed 100%.
But this is state aid, is it not?
After years of not listening, the government will now have no choice but to invest in these areas, otherwise we’re all screwed
No, not really. The people in those areas are indeed royally screwed, but I don’t see how a continued lack of investment screws everyone else.
By and large it’s those areas that voted for Brexit that will be the most affected. After more than two years of this shit I’ve finally lost my patience with the mess.
**** them.
They want Brexit, they can have it. On a plate. Chlorinated. And at twice the price on half their current wages.
Yes... the Tory government are suddenly going to develop a social conscience and invest tens of billions into the north of England, the South West (other than buying their holiday homes in Cornwall) and the Welsh valleys
Meanwhile, back in the real world.....
Turkeys..... Christmas
Let us not forget that membership of the far right, eurosceptic party UKIP has ballooned by an astonishing 15% since the announcement of May's plan for Brexit. That must represent a tidal change of voting intention, no?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/02/ukip-membership-surges-15-per-cent-in-a-month
I don't know about you, but I reckon that this represents a sea change in the far right movement.
But I still see no plan as to how we'll address the grievances of traditional white working class communities from Tyneside to Thanet.
But I still see no plan as to how we’ll address the grievances of traditional white working class communities from Tyneside to Thanet.
Who’s “we”?
Who’s “we”?
Dont worry jrm boris and Farage are on the case... no one in the north need worry... well except maybe about rsi from all the cap doffing
address the grievances of traditional white working class communities from Tyneside to Thanet.
address the grievances of traditional racists from Tyneside to Thanet.
I believe that the "working class" also consists of people who are not "white", no?
They want Brexit, they can have it. On a plate. Chlorinated. And at twice the price on half their current wages.
The fact that they don't fully understand politics, economics and what would actually be best for them is not really their fault. They have been failed by education, failed by biased media, failed by an older generation who had same problems etc,.
They simply don't know what is best for them and end up voting UKIP or Tory. A left wing government is always going to be a better option for poorer people due to the priorities that government places. Need a bit of left wing populism to get them to get behind a government that would actually give them a chance
That must represent a tidal change of voting intention, no?
Not really. It isnt, in overall numbers, a major change and registered members of a party doesnt necessarily correspond to the numbers actually voting for it.
But I still see no plan as to how we’ll address the grievances of traditional white working class communities from Tyneside to Thanet.
I am sure the city and investment elites like Farage, Johnson and Rees-Mogg will be deeply concerned about them and be working hard on a way that they can invest efficiently overseas.
With so many people here possessing superior intellect and economical expertise - it really is surprising that none have actually gone to the top of their profession.
maybe it’s a case of the cream always goes to the top & water always finding its own level.
it really is ironic to read people on here crying that nobody is listening to the experts anymore😂
I read that and thought about it and arrived at the conclusion that you're a bit dim.
No offense.
Meanwhile...
I saw a Conservative MP Brexiter on telly, saying that Mark Carney, who he described as the "Bank Manager" of the Bank of England, should "go back to Canada"...
Are these people actually insane?
Yes
in truth they want everyone who can't trace their ancestors back to pre norman conquest to go "home".
in other new seems like macron said "non" to maybot (as reported in the daily fail 😉 )
trace their ancestors back to pre norman conquest to go “home”.
Phew! That means I'm OK then.
Oh wait. I left already... 😃
indivisibility of 4 freedoms
I guess those freedoms have become indivisible since 2014. (When Romania and Bulgaria got free movement after joining the EU in 2007.)
Just like to mention that, as an immigrant, my experience of the Spanish is that they are friendly, open and helpful, despite the fact that I'm a foreigner who can't speak their language beyond a mere smattering and uses Google Translate on the mobile for more complicated interactions.
Surprisingly, many Spanish people, even here in one of the poorer areas (Alpujarras) speak passable English (embarrassingly).
The Brexiters really are peculiar, aren't they?
🤔
With so many people here possessing superior intellect and economical expertise – it really is surprising that none have actually gone to the top of their profession.
Not superior intellect and economical expertise but at least an understanding and an awareness of the whats and whys of what governments are doing and the impact. i.e when someone blames immigrants for all the issues that can quickly be dismissed as rubbish rather than just believed because you don't know anything about it.
As for level in my profession, how do you know how high I have gone...
I’m certainly not possessed of any superior intellect, but I’m just about bright enough to question what some entitled, duplicitous shyster has written down the side of a bus