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<div class="bbp-reply-content">The system has not worked for the majority the last 40 years, and things were looking to get worse
Hmm not sure about the last 40 years but certainly the last 10, I agree. But, a few points I have to make:
1. Being an EU member is no barrier to a more egalitarian society. Nordic social democratic countries often praised for their quality of life and equality are EU members.
2. One of the reasons I liked being an EU member is that they kept giving us legislation for things like the environment and workers rights. And been involved with non-legislative good ideas like the Euro NCAP system which has improved car safety.
3. If you think leaving the EU is going to make the UK into a social democratic provided land you’re off your rocker. It’s going to get worse, not better. Tories will slash our rights and standards in an effort to stay competitive, which brings me onto
4. To spend money for public benefit you need to be making it, you need a strong economy so you can tax it without stifling growth. The EU removes barriers for trade and for the labour market to enable economic growth. By suddenly sticking a load of barriers in the way of trade we’re about to make it way harder to deal with the UK which is going to make companies in the rest of the EU want to shop elsewhere.
I’d like to see you address each of these points mooman. If you are serious and not trolling I’d like you to show me the courtesy of responding to this post.
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Wealth inequality has increased more noticeably the last 40 years. There is lots of literature on this.
1/2/3 ... can all be easily answered by the fact that people can vote for the UK political party which offers/addresses whatever concerns they may have ... You don`t just have to vote Tory you know; a lot of the arguments are that the Torys are gonna make things worse for the points you have identified ... if so .. dont vote for them.
It was shown a few years ago that if a relatively new political party addressed concerns that mattered to people then they would make a political impact ... UKIP did that. The Conservatives are not the only party out there.
4. Of course things will be difficult in the beginning. We have been integrated for a long time, so processes will need to change or adapt. And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen ... but it far outweighs sticking to path the EU are leading on.
4. Of course things will be difficult in the beginning. We have been integrated for a long time, so processes will need to change or adapt. And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen … but it far outweighs sticking to path the EU are leading on.
How are you quantifying that? How much has it cost the UK so far, how much will it cost and in the next 5 years and when will it start paying off?
1/2/3 … can all be easily answered by the fact that people can vote for the UK political party which offers/addresses whatever concerns they may have … You don`t just have to vote Tory you know; a lot of the arguments are that the Torys are gonna make things worse for the points you have identified … if so .. dont vote for them.
Without any doubt the biggest threat I perceive to the U.K. developing into a better place is the UK electorate.
Mooman shoots !....... & hoofs it into the rafters
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/24/fairest-europeans-inequality-surged-us-europe
And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
I would really like to see a list of these benefits and when they will happen. Perhaps we could ask the mods to put it up as a sticky? Mooman, could you send them your list please?
Thanks.
processes will need to change or adapt. And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
Processes? What about major infrastructure projects at our boarders that will cost billions in lost trade as there's nothing in place and billions to put right.. The tax payer will ultimately foot the bill for that, and there will be a lot less money coming into the country.
I'm not talking about using the hard shoulder as a lorry park, I'm talking about customs yards the size of small towns to cope.
Infrastructure that's not been invested in for decades.
It's almost like no one has thought this through other than people who voted remain, hence why they voted remain..
So, a lot of issues could be solved by voting in the UK for UK politicians, nothing to do with the EU then ????
And yes, please tell us more about the benefits ?
if a relatively new political party addressed concerns that mattered to people then they would make a political impact … UKIP did that
They only get anywhere, ironically enough, because of the EU. If our votes for MEPs didnt have the PR system then they wouldnt have got anywhere. Plus they had the advantage that being completely shit at their jobs actually helped them eg Farage not bothering to turn up to the Fisheries meetings should have got him slapped down by the fishermen but instead just got ignored.
Wealth inequality has increased more noticeably the last 40 years.
That is set to get worse post Brexit.
And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
Rees-Mogg reckons 50 years apparently.
The10 year WTO grace period was first mooted by JRM. But it's the result it's misreading the regulations. There is no grace period, at least that's my understanding.
Wealth inequality has increased more noticeably the last 40 years. There is lots of literature on this.
Oh yes, I agree. But that has nothing to do with being in the EU. It has to do with neoliberalism. Tories and soft Labour. As demonstrated by the fact the EU contains many egalitarian social democratic countries like the Nordics.
1/2/3 … can all be easily answered by the fact that people can vote for the UK political party which offers/addresses whatever concerns they may have … You don`t just have to vote Tory you know; a lot of the arguments are that the Torys are gonna make things worse for the points you have identified … if so .. dont vote for them.
I don't, but lots of people do. Again, being outside the EU isn't going to change that. It seems that some leavers were voting for change, however they won't get the kind of change they (or I) want.
Yes, the political situation in the UK sucks, but what I don't understand is why you think it's the EU's fault or why leaving the EU is going to change it?
The EU gives us significant benefits in terms of ease of trade and cost of trade, with our immediate neighbours. No free trade agreement with a country on the other side of the world is ever going to replace that. And that's aside from all the social and idealistic benefits we get.
And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
What benefits? Outline just one for us.
And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen
The vote was in mid 2016. There is still no idea what these nebulous benefits might be or when they might happen. By the end of 2020 it will have been the equivalent of a full parliamentary term. Benefits should be being felt by then. Waiting ten years to get back to where we were in 2016 is not acceptable
Brexiteers comparing remoaner scare mongering to the non event that was the millenium bug.
Al Murray asked experts on the millenium bug to comment, shown below:-
Their collective memory was summarised by one respondent who wrote: “I recall there was quite a lot of something called PLANNING.”
“I spent nine months testing financial systems in the health service to make sure all coding was working as planned,” said another IT worker, “As opposed to driving off a cliff hoping for a safe landing.”
There was some joking about Murray’s “archaic” practice of seeking comment from experts who had real life experience of a topic.
Of course things will be difficult in the beginning. We have been integrated for a long time, so processes will need to change or adapt. And the benefits will most likely take awhile to happen … but it far outweighs sticking to path the EU are leading on.
Great of example of just have faith brexiter stance. Have no idea of what the benefits of leaving are and can't even give one example of a benefit yet they will outweigh sticking to a path where the consequences are completely unknown.
So, in summary, Brexit means turning the UK into a huge bucket of shit for all but those wealthy enough to perch on the handle, which may, or may not, become less shitty in 50 years (Reese-Mogg estimate).
That is to say, the major proportion of most people's lives.
Oh.
I Really should read the replies to my posts; because I totally missed the amusing new Remoaner stereotype about rich farmers😂
Gutted I have distracted the thread from it😪
Can all you Remainers please refocus your narrow minded views and opinions back on farmers. It really emphasises who/what type of idiots are driving this thread.
Thanks xx
I'd rather hear the benefits of leaving, please. 🙂
Mooman - benefits of leaving please? Just one to counter the billions wasted and lost already?
Hello 'mooman".
Perhaps you can explain what the benefits of leaving the EU are and how they would outweigh the harmful effects, enough to make it worthwhile.
Rather than posting abuse like some sort of vindictive Kevin whose been told his fantasy isn't going to let him off his homework.
Ah mooman being the stereotypical leaver, no plan no idea no concept of logic. More interested in winding people up than coming up with a solution
No proposed benefit yet? And I don't mean "we can do our own whatever", I mean something, anything, that will be better in the UK post leaving the EU that couldn't be achieved without leaving. One thing.
He can't give any benefits. There are none. Unless you are a billionaire with fascist dictatorial leanings.
Just like the classifieds on here, one can get a view of folk by checking their attitudes and helpfulness across a number of threads.
Some of the Brexitrolls turn into normal people on other threads. Some are trolls and idiots across the board.
It’s enlightening.
And feel free to do the same to me.
Are we still waiting for mooman's magical Brexit benefits?
Apart from blue passports!
There are plenty of benefits!
No more pesky EU human rights act, the EU labor and employment laws can be dropped, no EU regulation on medicine, health, pollution or any of that inconvenient stuff!
The current and democratically elected prime minister along with her mates can give speeches on how this is the will of the people and therefore democratic.
(I am not being serious, before anyone gets any item of clothing knotted etc.')
To be fair on mooman, ninfan & the Leavers they were promised that the EU would be forced to accept whatever conditions we put on brexit, literally that we would 'hold all the cards'.
Instead they've had to watch the government concede to every single point in the talks so far, scheduling, exit bill, NI backstop, transition...*
The gov white papers have laid out that we will be following ECJ rulings, EMA regs, chequers deal confirms that even throwing in following EU regs on finance to keep the city happy, for all their sovereignty guff, we're now left as a rule taker, no longer with a seat at the table making them.
Worse still all their Brexiteer heroes have voted to accept these capitulations along the way, even with the numbers to remove May, they accept it all, simply because they have no better ideas.
And that's the issue, they know they were fooled by a bunch of clowns, who managed to win the vote, but had no idea how to deliver their promises.
So that's why trolling is about all they have left, (& blue passports obvs)
* In many ways the exit talks are a valuable lesson in what we can expect from future trade deals; as the smaller partner we will have to accept whatever conditions are put upon us, Trump's gotta be pissing himself laughing thinking about how supine DFDS Liam Fox will be !
I have some relatives who are brexshitters. they are now stating " it would all be fine if the government had not made a mess of the negotiations"
I suppose at least they are not blaming the EU for sticking to their rules and laws
That's an interesting development. The likes of ninpoop and moo now have two things to try and explain.
1: (still) what are the benefits of Brexit.
2: supposing this catastrophe is the result of poor negotiatiing skills, given the circumstances, how would they have done it better.
After all, it's the UK that's leaving.
Like a bunch of Hooray Henrys cancelling their subscription at the tennis club and then saying they want to come back whenever they like to use the sauna. Without paying.
Why would the EU feel like saying anything other than "Don't let the door hit you on the way out"?
they are now stating ” it would all be fine if the government had not made a mess of the negotiations”
If Theresa May had not allowed herself to be bounced into triggering A50, we could have spent the last two years figuring out what we wanted to do, without the impending deadline of a cliff-edge no-deal Brexit forcing our hand. I think the Brexiteers thought that the same cliff-edge would force the EU's hand but that doesn't seem to have worked out.
I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Here's something that should interest the poop (if he's still around) especially with regard to the supply of insulin.
He'll probably hate the idea that it may alleviate suffering and deny him the opportunity to gloat at other's pain caused by his preference for Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45028842
Also - you are now in a situation where THE COUNTRY is stockpiling medicines.
Something that normally happens in a time of war.
Isn't there even the tiniest smidgeon of doubt in the minds of the 'patriots' who put the UK in this position that it wasn't perhaps a completely terrific idea?
1: (still) what are the benefits of Brexit.
I'll start.
1. Everyone in the country can now see what a two-faced, fat oaf Boris Johnson was all along. The scales have been lifted from our eyes. The fact that he might still end up as PM says more about the state of the Labour Party than anything else.
2. Indyref2 has been brought a generation closer. Whether this is a benefit or not depends on what you want to happen to the UK of course.
Also – you are now in a situation where THE COUNTRY is stockpiling medicines.
Something that normally happens in a time of war
Watch this space
The obvious benefit is no more freedom of movement. A lot of people do not like freedom of movement and to remove it would be a big benefit to them because they would feel happier. It doesn't need to be an actual benefit to the country as a whole.
Those same people would not even be able to notice the difference as it would not be visible but they would feel better knowing there are n less immigrants in their country.
I am right moonman ?
I Really should read the replies to my posts
Yes, because you might learn something. But instead you (like many people) choose to remain in your echo chamber because your ego is too fragile to cope with having to consider that you might be wrong.
Yes, because you might learn something. But instead you (like many people) choose to remain in your echo chamber because your ego is too fragile to cope with having to consider that you might be wrong.
It'll be 25 years until we can decide who was right and who was wrong. I'm betting on a draw.
Maybe this thread should be locked until 2043.
August 2013.
France and Germany are worried about the strength of the UK.
They raise a resolution to expel us from the EU.
The resolution is passed and the pound crashes by 20%.
Following the expulsion all UK citizens in the EU lose their right to stay.
All uk citizens are required to have visas and lose their right to travel and work in the Eu.
All eu businesses are required to relocate to the mainland.
Uk air certificates revoked.
Uk nuclear certificate revoked.
Uk expelled from all Eu projects.
All uk exports to the Eu are subject to customs checks.
Guards are placed on the Irish border to stop Uk citizens entering the Eu.
Would JRM consider that good news or an act of war?
Every flat roofed pub in the land would be raising a militia.
There are benefits to brexit. Ninfan explained that he would no longer be required to tolerate the imposition of cultural diversity upon his daily life. Hooray!
Zippykona - brilliant!
A guy I work with is still convinced that the second we leave the pound is going to sky rocket and we should have already done it. He's not given a coherent reason why yet but he's of the belief that anything British is vastly superior to anything from anywhere else so we hold all the cards.
I don't think he's racist or stupid, I think he's just massively out of touch and lives in his own bubble with like minded people.
It’ll be 25 years until we can decide who was right and who was wrong. I’m betting on a draw.
so the 25 years in between we just ignore? a generation of children will grow up worse off than they could have been, so we'll ignore them until the sunlit uplands arrive?
so the 25 years in between we just ignore? a generation of children will grow up worse off than they could have been, so we’ll ignore them until the sunlit uplands arrive?
Sorry, you carry on scaring yourself and your children and wallowing in your misery for the next 25 years. Then we'll have a look and see how it worked out.
Not that we'll bother. Most people will have forgotten all about it, and those that have a dim recollection will wonder what all the fuss was about.
Sorry, you carry on scaring yourself and your children and wallowing in your misery for the next 25 years. Then we’ll have a look and see how it worked out.
Ah OK then, at least we will have lots more civil service jobs or contracts with G4S...
If you can't see the penalties the UK is already looking at then you probably don't get it, can't see many scare stories just uncomfortable truths that brexiteers have no answer for.
Not that we’ll bother. Most people will have forgotten all about it, and those that have a dim recollection will wonder what all the fuss was about.
Yeah, just like UKIP etc did
If you can’t see the penalties the UK is already looking at then you probably don’t get it, can’t see many scare stories just uncomfortable truths that brexiteers have no answer for.
Project fear all over again. Remind me of how the instant disaster predicted immediately after an exit vote panned out? Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
Sorry, you carry on scaring yourself and your children and wallowing in your misery for the next 25 years.
So you are effectively saying shut up and stop complaining?
Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
I think you mistyped "people will waste years of their lives trying their best to ameliorate problems caused by brexit rather than improving their lives and society generally".
Project fear all over again. Remind me of how the instant disaster predicted immediately after an exit vote panned out? Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
Pound Dropped
EU Agencies Leaving the UK
Port of Dover and Eurotunnel
This is becoming reality right now, we don't have the infrastructure to cope with customs checks, how will that sort itself out?
Nursing Shortages
etc etc etc
Dismiss it all you want but things work themselves out because people get on and sort them, the freedom to do this is being taken away by idiots in the Tory party at the moment. You can carry on to stick your head in the sand if you want.
5th - it has panned out pretty nmuch as remain predicted.
recruitment crisis in the healthservice and in farming
vast amounts of jobs exported or in the process of being
Billions of pounds wasted - whats it at now? £1000 each citizen lost and year on year losses of 500 - 1000 every year?
Any positives? Even a hint of one?
Not that we’ll bother. Most people will have forgotten all about it, and those that have a dim recollection will wonder what all the fuss was about.
Nah the incompetence of the brexiters will be legend, it already is really
seeing the goovernment cave in on every single point in the negotiations is a pretty special moment in the nations history, have we ever handled international diplomacy so badly in the last 30+ years? youd have to be rather blinkered not to see that.
I cant see people brushing it under the carpet as youd like it & unfortunately for the leavers 48% of us know exactly who to blame!
Mogg is now saying 2050 before we see benefits, 5thelephant reckons 2043 - before we are breaking even? its funny coz dan hannan said that wed have signed a load of trade deals by now, in his now hilarious prophecsising : https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
spoken like a true Leaver- the brexit faeries wave a magic wand & everything is golden !!
so far the government bill stands at £2bn, cost to economy reckoned to be £8bn? thats just from inflation, who knows how much teh contingency planning & stockpiling is costing
all this extra cost at a time of crushing austerity for the poorest- bankrupt local councils, policing crisis, worst ever NHS staffing crisis & wait times, when that money should be going to those that need it.
and should brexit happen, you do realise that next March a campaign to rejoin the EU begins. As the UKs GDP slips ever further behind the rest of the EU. the calls to rejoin will become greater.
We have been here before in the 50s,60s and 70's as the UK slipped into the post imperial void it joined the EU. The UK is a medium sized economic power in a world of massive trading blocks. It will have to chose who to align with and accept their rules.
If we do actually leave, I hope the likes of Mooman and Ninfan lose everything and end up destitute, living in a cardboard box under some graffitied overpass
My local councils official brexit report has identified a positive..
The only positive listed in Pembrokeshire council's register is "reduced demand for services if population reduces"...
They also identified 18 ways that it would have a negative impact...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45044334
Here's the document
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<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">2. Indyref2 has been brought a generation closer. Whether this is a benefit or not depends on what you want to happen to the UK of course.</span>
If the UK is still feeling bitter and resentful about the Brexit deal they've had to accept, I'd be worried about how the rUK would approach negotiations with Scotland in the result of a successful independence vote. After experiencing an object lesson in how the smaller party doesn't hold many of the cards when it comes to sorting out an exit deal, I suspect that there'd be a number of people keen to kick Scotland in the same way that the UK got kicked.
Yeah, thanks to everyone who voted to leave. The rest of my (normal) working life is going to be shit, thanks a ****ing lot. This means I'll struggle to save for retirement, a state pension will be non existent, and I'll work till I drop. Thanks a ****ing lot.
The only good thing is, I live in the south east, so I'll be relatively insulated from the fall out. All these people who voted for this north of the Watford gap, are ****ed, mogg and Johnson are going to screw you good and proper and I'm going to laugh my arse off.
Gove is leading us to a Blind Brexit now......
If the UK is still feeling bitter and resentful about the Brexit deal they’ve had to accept, I’d be worried about how the rUK would approach negotiations with Scotland in the result of a successful independence vote. After experiencing an object lesson in how the smaller party doesn’t hold many of the cards when it comes to sorting out an exit deal, I suspect that there’d be a number of people keen to kick Scotland in the same way that the UK got kicked
Might also demonstrate how to hold a negotiation, make sure you have a plan in place! Also the idea that the UK can leave the EU and not ow anything might come back and haunt any negotiations. Then there are details such as nuclear submarines, currently based in Scotland, oil and gas supplies etc.
Granted it could get messy, how far would the unionists push it?
Worth considering that Ireland broke free in 1920's and shows exactly how not to do it!
And quite how Scottish independence would play in NI?
to be fair the SNP have way more detailed plans about what might come next after Scotland left, their latest one was even quite honest in how tough it would be post oil boom.
The Brexiters have nothing to offer in a similar vein, David Davis own Impact assessments were so gloomy he lied through his teeth to keep them hidden from the public!
If Indy ref2 comes around, I would certainly be listening to any mood music from Europe, and watching how the practicalities of the Irish border pan out whilst filtering out the BS from many of the usual suspects. The SNP are fairly quiet on the firm line taken by Barnier, but will cry foul at any UK hard ball tactics in Indy negotiations.
I firmly believe that if we leave we have to be prepared to have a different currency, which to be fair is dawning on many. A currency union is something that is ingrained in being part of the UK, and we should not expect this to continue.
Like a bunch of Hooray Henrys cancelling their subscription at the tennis club and then saying they want to come back whenever they like to use the sauna. Without paying.
It's OK, we can just join the WTO Racquets Club up the road. I'm sure they'll have us.
What? There's a ten year waiting list? And their rules are worse than the ones we just walked away from?
Never mind, I'm sure by 2050 we'll be in a club somewhere....even if my knees are too ****ed to play tennis by then.
If Indy ref2 comes around, I would certainly be listening to any mood music from Europe,
The official line from the EU is that they won't interfere in the internal politics of a member state. Quite what happens if that member state leaves is another question.
I think you have scared yourself enough on the topics regurgitated on this page again - can you please start demonstrating your knowledge on farmers again please.
I think you have scared yourself enough on the topics regurgitated on this page again – can you please start demonstrating your knowledge of the benefits of brexit again please.
Brexit doesn’t need facts or data it is a faith.
Trouble is it is an old school one where you have to follow all the rules, donate most of your money and suffer as it will serve you well in the next life when you get the ‘dividend’... much like all the faiths the people at the top do much better from the manipulation compared to the desperate at the bottom...
The lack of expected benefits from mooman suggests he might be another "burn down your house with you in it, and then stand to one side, laughing, as other neighbours try and help get everyone out" type. There are Leave cheerleaders that expected real tangible benefits… but a minority have purely hate filled motives. I think that minority are coming to the fore now, as promised benefits look to be more and more elusive, and more and more people see that they may well have never really been on the table at all… those more questioning people who voted for positive change are quieter currently… but they're still out there… engage with them positively if you get the chance, we'll need to work with them whatever happpens next. Don't let the nasty, tiny, minority speak for all people who voted Leave.
That "blind Brexit" is exactly what I predicted way back. And I still think the consequences are likely to be what I surmised then.
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I have some relatives who are brexshitters. they are now stating ” it would all be fine if the government had not made a mess of the negotiations”
Said it before but this is actually a massive problem. What should have happened is a competent government gave it a good shot, but with the best efforts still couldn't produce a brexit that wasn't awful. But today, the pipe-dream of a succesful brexit still exists, because the government is too incompetent to even deliver a bad brexit. And when brexiteers say "It's because Theresa May is a dick", it won't be true, but it'll be compelling, because Theresa May is definitely a dick
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Stuff will sort itself out. It always does.
Is a marvellously sanguine way way to run your own life. It really is. Especially if you are a bit of a risk taker or like a sizeable flutter on the horses or somesuch. Very grounded. Keep this within the confines of stuff that affects you as an individual and that’s great.
Gambling with someone else’s money (and on a bet that has very long odds) and then expecting them to be happy because “stuff will work itself out” makes you sound monumentally arrogant, or bluff, or stupid or a combination of the three.
So, to give me more than just “stuff will work itself out”, can mooman (who i suspect may just be a proxy for ninfan) or 5thElephant please list out the benefits of Brexit, what the likelihood of them actually materializing is and when they will be seen?
Or is it all just a colossal mistake?
Said it before but this is actually a massive problem. What should have happened is a competent government gave it a good shot, but with the best efforts still couldn’t produce a brexit that wasn’t awful.
I know it was a Tory manifesto pledge, but the campaign was fought independent of party politics, and the actual process of leaving and negotiating should've been cross party. Something of this magnitude should never have been put to a public vote in the way it was, but it definitely should not be handled based on any one party's political position
A blind Brexit has advantages for the Leave camp - since the deal won't be decided before we've actually left, by the time we find out what the deal really is it will be too late to do anything about it. We need the deal now, so that the electorate can see how crap it is, and hopefully get the chance to vote on it.
Alternatively, we've already had the blind Brexit, when D Cameron decided to offer the voters the option of leaving, without having made any plans for how, or even whether, that choice could be delivered.
...or 5thElephant please list out the benefits of Brexit, what the likelihood of them actually materializing is and when they will be seen?
I can’t no. Didn’t vote for it. Have always maintained it won’t make much odds either way. Stuff always sorts itself out...
I know it was a Tory manifesto pledge, but the campaign was fought independent of party politics, and the actual process of leaving and negotiating should’ve been cross party. Something of this magnitude should never have been put to a public vote in the way it was, but it definitely should not be handled based on any one party’s political position
Even worse when you look back at what a total cock-up the whole thing is. Call Me Dave making a throwaway decision to cement his own position and silence the age-old rift within the Tories. Sure there was plenty of grumbling before about the EU, albeit mostly fed by the gutter press. But the vast majority of people who got all gammony about it really didn’t give a shit until the question was asked.
And yet, here we are.
The whole sorry episode is a case study in arrogance, cynicism and stupidity. We mock (righty) the US for electing that arsehole, but at least they can reverse that mistake in a couple more years. We’re going to be left with this disaster unless we grow up and stop this insanity.
Brexit, a skidmark in the pants of history.
Stuff always sorts itself out…
= I'll just put up with whatever happens and pretend I've never had it so good
Stuff always sorts itself out…
Ah, I see.
Are you getting to the point where you just sit for hours on end writing that out over and over again in handwriting that gets more and more spiky and illegible?
Stuff always sorts itself out…
What does this mean?
What does this mean?
Denial and can’t be arsed to think.