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How long until the brexiters are saying "we never said there would be adequate food, we just said "let's make sure we have adequate food", it's completely different and you're the fool for misinterpreting it".
it demonstrates he is nothing more than a self serving politician just like the rest of them.
How exactly?
Doesn’t really matter how we get there, does it Molls.
Yes and no, insofar as what happens afterwards would be pretty different. If we have to crash out of the EU I'd rather have a post apocalyptic government run by Corbs than by Mogg.
If there is a GE voting is going to be damn difficult.
If there is a GE voting is going to be damn difficult.
At that point we need a stand up and be counted moment from a few people
So, the benefit he is welcoming is… a less well off country… strange definition of “benefit”.He needs to go.
Whether its the ERG or Corbyn and his nutters, both sides are seeking to exploit Brexit to impose their ideology, I can only presume that Corbyn may be thinking that Brexit is going to be an absolute sh*t storm that this is the way he can gain power.
To these people, the ends justify the means.
"The department is working up options with industry for stockpiling medicines, medical devices and substances of human origin
Boris is currently locked in a hospital room with a dumb bell, a Tupperware container and a copy of razzle to ensure that the future of our Great Britain remains blond haired and blue eyed.
Come on be serious. Boris wouldn't need a jazz mag.
All he needs is a mirror to bring himself to a froth
Substances of human origin?
Is that how they plan on sustaining the population when the supermarkets run out of food? By feeding us the remains of our dead?
This is how zombie apocalypses start. Still, I suppose it would keep things interesting.
I read recently about a theory supporting the creationism belief that the world was created by god only a few thousand years ago, versus the popular scientific assertion that is it 4.5 billions years old.
The theory goes that all the scientific evidence of the world being 4.5 billion years old was in fact put there by god as part of the creation.
Therefore ALL scientific evidence can simply be dismissed as false as it's only something god created.
Brexit will be exactly like this - anything that doesn't turn out as anticipated will simply be blamed away as "the fault of the EU", "the fault of Theresa May", "The fault of traitors", "the fault of people who don't believe in democracy", "the fault of the people who weren't positive enough and ruined it from the start"....etc...
I'd be surprised if many Brexiteers every admitted that the experts were right all along.....
I have to laugh at the leavers who moaned about unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and used that as justification for voting leave (even though the unelected thing is nonsense)
the elected chumps we have running the shit show here are doing an absolutely sterling job so far...
We can stop importing supplies of sperm from Romanian criminals.
Some of our biggest engineering projects after Brexit, may be increasing the size of sperm banks and construction of sperm storage facilities. A home grown supply of this would not be a problem I imagine.
Well there are clearly a huge number of ****ers in this country
Damn swear filter.
The word used was related to onanism
So Corbs has shown his hand (and itvturnscout to be the horrible, Leave-coloured hand) so I can't vote for that shower, Gove is bullshitting the farming industry, making totally unsubstantiated "you'll be better off after Brexit" claims, so I can't vote for that shower either, so I can only vote Lib Dem, who are as likely to win the next GE as England are of winning the last world cup. There must be a revolution forming somewhere - where do I sign up?
I see also that Theresa May has taken personal control of the Brexit talks, isn't this normally the point in her previous career where whatever she has taken control of becomes a complete disaster?
At least we'll all know who to blame, eh?
D.Cameron is the person to blame.
French press are reporting that Brexit minister has been demoted and TM is taking charge of négociations. He is only going to do admin tasks.
I have to laugh at the leavers who moaned about unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and used that as justification for voting leave (even though the unelected thing is nonsense)
the elected chumps we have running the shit show here are doing an absolutely sterling job so far…
^This.
Considering the doomsday preparations being hastily discussed for a 'no deal' scenario, and thinking back months ago when we were told that 'no deal' is better than a 'bad deal' makes me realise that the government hadn't the faintest clue what constitutes a 'no deal'.
I reckon a bewildered and befuddled David Davis turned up for his EU meetings to be confronted by a team of skillful, dynamic, well drilled, suitably prepared, legally knowledgable, European counterparts.
What are the chances that we have the European negotiators to thank for informing us what we should be doing in the event of no deal as we hadn't done the proper research ourselves? I can imagine Barnier rudely awakening David Davis with armageddon consequences by showing him paragraph 5, subsection 3.2, section 3 of regulation 4.
In his final meeting with the EU I am informed Davis had his notes written phonetically on his arms, but avoided big words. When informed about restrictions on food imports he signed off 'I am a fish', saluted and collapsed.
Seriously, the European side is clearly negotiating from a position of strength. Our strong negotiating card of 'We are British, of course you will give us what we want' has only proved to be the Joker in the pack. I bet German consumers are panicking about a potential shortfall of Wensleydale cheese and Melton Mowbray pork pies.
It is annoying that EU negotiators would have been on our side when negotiating complex trade deals with other countries if we remained, when what we have is a shambolic mess. I look forward in the future to the day when our hard fought trading negotiations result in Tesco selling line caught wild Beluga from the beautiful cooling ponds of Chernobyl. Yum!!
French press are reporting that Brexit minister has been demoted and TM is taking charge of négociations. He is only going to do admin tasks
Yes, he now gets to wash the underpants that May will put on her head, and sharpen the pencils that she will stick up her nose prior to saying Wibble! She now realises this is probably her best way out.
That's just it. These guys used to be on our side, now they're our opponents. Brilliant.
Could not get an edit in time. I wish to add that it seems confirmed that Theresa May is taking personal control of Brexit negotiations.
It is truly telling that the UK raised the spectre of walking away without a deal to frighten the EU into some capitulation. The EU have not flinched. They don't have to. Our government have done all the blinking in recent weeks now that is is a potential reality. The UK government is panicking big style, and we will pay the price for this folly.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">It is annoying that EU negotiators would have been on our side when negotiating complex trade deals with other countries if we remained</span>
thats an interesting point to make, so could you tell me why there was so much opposition to TTIP please?
The bit that amuses me the most out of all of this.
People that voted to reduce immigration are going to lose massively as there is more than a fair chance a huge amount of the developing countries and a load of the developed ones will make increased visa numbers a key part of the deal, and our idiots won't be able to do a thing about it.
India and Australia bring 2 of the most obvious.
Just think what the racists will be like when they see more brown people arriving
thats an interesting point to make, so could you tell me why there was so much opposition to TTIP please?
Is that the same TTIP negotiations that were a concern to many across Europe and indefinitely halted in 2016?
India and Australia bring 2 of the most obvious.
Just think what the racists will be like when they see more brown people arriving
They’ll move to Australia?
Well possibly.
so could you tell me why there was so much opposition to TTIP please?
Because the USA wanted to screw us all.
I wonder why, last week, the government whipped to vote down an amendment that would mean, once we're outside the EU, that the details of trade deals would have to be published before they were signed.
Bend over post Brexit UK…
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I see also that Theresa May has taken personal control of the Brexit talks, isn’t this normally the point in her previous career where whatever she has taken control of becomes a complete disaster?
Aye, it's a Theresa May classic. "This disaster that I've overseen? I'm now going to personally oversee it."
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could you tell me why there was so much opposition to TTIP please?
A Leave voting mate of mine cited TTIP as the kind of bad trade deal that the EU was dragging us into. 🤔
I pointed out that we (the UK gov) were all for TTIP and were loud advocates of it while it was blocked by objections from other EU nations.
Outside the EU we’d sign that in a flash. And the scary thing is that now we’ll have far less bargaining power so it seems very likely that whatever we do sign will make TTIP look like an ideal fantasy deal.
thats an interesting point to make, so could you tell me why there was so much opposition to TTIP please?
Correct me if I'm wrong here. The EU commission was in favour of TTIP but member states voted against it which stopped it.
Isn't this the proper democratic outcome? Isnt the EU meant to be undemocratic? Or do you mentally separate member states from 'the EU'? Is that why you hate the idea of 'them' telling us what to do?
That's right molgrips. The EU is large enough with enough clout to walk away with no deal and not be in a mad panic. The UK on the other hand.
And walking away from a potential trade ideal is not the same thing as walking away from all our existing trade deals, and all the far more important rules and bodies that keeps things moving between our countries and others.
Correct me if I’m wrong here. The EU commission was in favour of TTIP but member states voted against it which stopped it.
So no deal was was better than a bad deal?
who knew?
See my comment above yours, nincompoop.
He really hasn't a clue Kelvin. He has no comeback on his previous post on TTIP. Ninfan could do well to read properly through responses in greater depth than UK Brexit negotiators read through EU regulations.
So no deal was was better than a bad deal?
who knew?
Do you think, just for a few minutes, you could stop being such a pointlessly contrary ****?
I don't remember EU countries stockpiling food in case of a no deal with the US ?
EU is big enough to be self sufficient if they had to be.
The UK has had a large dependance on imported food for a long time. Cutting off supplies in both world wars was a tactic based on that fact. We could of course grow and produce all of our own food but people wouldn't like the choices or the prices.
If you took it seriously you could have 1,000s of square miles of poly tunnels and greenhouses producing a wide range of food all year round (British food for British people) although getting the workers may be a challenge...
So no deal was was better than a bad deal?
Sometimes, in your desire to look like a smart arse, you just look really stupid. You shoudl be able to troll better than that.
Expecting the Brexit Cookbook will be a big-seller this Xmas - resurrected recipes using such staples as potatoes, turnips, swedes and carrots will prove popular with Brexies as they re-live the blitz and look forward to the reintroduction of ration books. Time to mobilise the masses, particularly those retired with little to do and put them to work in the fields and poly tunnels - dig for Brexit!
Will it include “grow your own insulin “? Cold chain storage and free movement of medicines are a much overlooked inconvenience. The country is slowly waking up to its stupidity. Too late. Two years too late.
So no deal was was better than a bad deal? who knew?
Nice. 🙂
Just think what the racists will be like when they see more brown people arriving
Exactly the same - lashing out randomly at everyone and everything because it's easier than having to:
a) Think
b) Confront the real reasons for their prejudices
There are lots, and I mean lots, of people in England who think that you win an argument by chinning someone.
We didn't have insulin back in the days when the UK was great and we don't need it now. Insulin needs us more than we need insulin.
Will it include “grow your own insulin “?
With all the spare cash the NHS will have they can buy it on the black market.
its a master stroke of planning. The poor will go back to the workhouses or starve. The obesity crisis will reduce. As people will be worked like dogs the state pension will return to its original plan with people only living two or three years after stopping work.
Yeah it will be shit but regression is what the people want so they are damn well going to get it....
Yeah it will be shit but regression is what the people want so they are damn well going to get it….
Not for everyone, Rees Mogg and the like will own the workhouses.
People need to start dusting off the Dickens to get a picture of it.
Expecting the Brexit Cookbook will be a big-seller this Xmas – resurrected recipes using such staples as potatoes, turnips, swedes and carrots will prove popular with Brexies as they re-live the blitz and look forward to the reintroduction of ration books. Time to mobilise the masses, particularly those retired with little to do and put them to work in the fields and poly tunnels – dig for Brexit!
Your assuming a good harvest, if the weather continues there may be issues. small harvest etc. And knowing tories and the love of the free market it will make more economic sense to export rather than ensure the domestic market has enough to survive.
if the weather continues there may be issues. small harvest etc.
Then we send in the gunboats and make Johnny Foreigner hand over the goods.
Thats the problem with people nowadays all negative. What happened to the blitz spirit, ooops bit too recent for most of the tories, I mean the Napoleonic war spirit?
Time to order 50 years worth of these!
https://www.wisefoodstorage.com/3-month-supply-of-emergency-food-with-water-filter.html
I'll send the bill to one of Jacob Rees Moggs Ireland based investment funds.
So, after Brexit we get to we bring back rationing... therefore in one fell swoop we solve both the obesity crisis and a large proportion of the NHS overspend.
Full of win!
I thought Project Fear was a Remainer thing.
Looks like the Leavers are joining in as well.
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No.... it turns out the ‘Project Fear’ predictions were just a warm up act, and the reality could be way way worse, but apparently the upcoming economic tsunami will all be the EU’s fault. And no blame at all will lie with the morons who istigated it. Obvs.
Interesting points on rationing etc. I'm almost beginning to see brexit as a nostalgic, yet misguided, attempt by some to rediscover that wartime spriit and community cohesion which has been lost in the past 30 years. I'm almost certain Corbyn sees it this way, and he might have a point given the constraints EU membership puts on nations who want to do something that doesn't look exactly like neo-liberal capitalism. Trouble is the population today is far more fractured, selfish and uninformed than they were back then. The results of collective hardship won't be increased community spirit, cooperation and collective responsibility, it'll be every man for himself, rioting, looting and general disorder.
Should be a good harvest for English wine though. Some silver linings. No swedes (of course).
I can see the queues of diabetics hanging around the lorries at customs stuck in clearance. God forbid. Stockpiling works. For a while. It’s not a sustainable strategy.
We have plans to have 6 months worth of insulin stored away in the fridge. Keep on joking though, if it's not the life of someone close to you at risk. As for the joke about rationing and it helping the NHS… * you *hole! Quite the opposite is true.
Perhaps the extra £350m for the NHS isn't so far fetched ... after the economy crashes and hyperinflation kicks in it will probably be easy to achieve.
will all be the EU’s fault.
Thats incorrect. Some of the blame will be assigned to the enemies of the people and the traitors within.
Cant simply blame the EU since that would imply weakness as opposed to only being defeated by the stab in the back.
We have plans to have 6 months worth of insulin stored away in the fridge
Not formulated my plan yet for our family. But the whole medicines situation is utterly outrageous. And I work in the R&D business.
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Will it include “grow your own insulin “?
The brave new brexit world will let us all become heroes like Eva and Victor Saxl.
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I still think it most likely that either a deal on the side is arrived at for medicines, or everything will be delayed by some means (but with us "out" in name)… but I'm not betting a life on it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44957900
Another scam targeting brexiters to part them from their cash 😉 Keep going there son, take as much as you can to keep reminding people how you and the others lied and cheated.
Apparently Tory MEP David Campbell Bannermam wants treason laws updated to include remainers with extreme loyalty to the EU.
I can't post the link as my phone keyboard goes nuts when I try to post links.
Apparently Tory MEP David Campbell Bannermam wants treason laws updated to include remainers with extreme loyalty to the EU.
Can't even get the treason act date right.
I'm going to laugh so hard at these nutters when we return to the EU.
Thanks for posting a link el-bent.
I hope we can laugh as you say, and have not already been hung, drawn and quartered alongside Jihadi John's mates. Also worth noting that if the typical Brexit supporter has their way, we would not have to go through the hassle of a trial prior to our execution.
Well if he wants to expand the definition.... taking steps to harm the UK could be levelled against a few, committing crimes to achieve it, hiding the cash....
I hope we can laugh as you say, and have not already been hung, drawn and quartered alongside Jihadi John’s mates.
Its time to confront these brexiters head on. In fact its way past time. They can't be reasoned with, so now must be fought against.
I actually agree with Bannerman. Brexiteers are working against the interests of the country -treasonous bastards - you can the hang the ****ers for me.
Oh wait - that isn't what he meant was it. My mistake.
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There in a nutshell is a major part of the problem with Europe in the past for the UK. Instead of selecting MEPs who would actually go and seriously represent the UK interest morons like this got elected. Like Farage who whilst happy to grandstand about fishery policies couldnt actually be arsed to attend the committee he was on for it.
Good to see the stab in the back myth is well underway. Although given the funding for Brexit from various interesting sources I would have thought they would be a bit more careful when talking about traitors.
Have we covered the USA getting hot for a EU trade deal before an UK one? It's been whispered about a lot, but looks like things are actually happening. Trump has done his slap then stroke thing again. USA companies have always stood to benefit more from Brexit than UK or EU ones, in many sectors… even without new deals… now, with new arrangements…? The vultures circle…
https://twitter.com/eu_commission/status/1022220340934717442
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/us/politics/trump-europe-trade.html
Yeah over in the Trump thread, lots of hot air, lots of shouting, lots of blaming the EU and then agree to have another meeting without actually agreeing anything other than to keep talking
so we are either in the customs union or not.
What was Raab there for? To serve the tea?
It dawns on Rabb that he’s now below the four pot plants in the food chain
the maybot will need another reboot
Maybe she just needs to take personal charge of negotiations...oh wait.
May only let David Davis anywhere near negotiations for 4 whole hours, all year.
Something we can all be grateful for.
luckily he was too thick and bone idle to notice.
She’s just given the Brexiteer preening tits some fancy job titles and ministerial cars, like throwing a ball for a dog. Liam Foxes ‘job’ is basically a non-job, but it keeps the half-wit out of the country most of the time
Is May actually just really pissed that the tories put her in this position in the first place so all she is doing now is taking the whole lot of them down before telling them the game is up an swanning off into the sunset?
some of the facebook targeted ads
not sure on the logic of the bull fighting one, we leave the eu and declare war on spain unless they give it up or something ?
Well we will have an immigration system that give young people jobs... fruit picking is a job... not perhaps what people may have assumed the jobs were but it is not a lie
not sure on the logic of the bull fighting one,
In general it's all an EU is bad message, EU lets the happen, how can the EU be good. All it needs to do is give you a reason to be angry with the EU