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No the belief the EU dictated the colour of our passports is an illustration of the total lack of factual knowledge held by the proponents of Brexit.
Why did we change the colour in the first place then?
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:41981X0919&from=PT
oldtalent- maybe my tears will actually make it the right colour you so fondly remember... https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/new-passport-design-leaves-true-blue-brexiteers-feeling-a-little-off-colour/ar-BBHaGI3?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartandhp
[quote=ninfan ]Why did we change the colour in the first place then?
> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:41981X0919&from=PT
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A voluntary show of solidarity with our EU friends.
I believe this might be a good time to get hold of my Cork born Grandfather's birth certificate and get me one of those Irish passports.
ninfan - Member
No the belief the EU dictated the colour of our passports is an illustration of the total lack of factual knowledge held by the proponents of Brexit.
Why did we change the colour in the first place then?http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:41981X0919&from=PT
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It is far easier to foster a sense of togetherness if everyone has the same passport. Also as a customs officer I imagine that is all the passports are the same it simplifies your job. The fact the very last statement in the document says that the member states can without prejudice still use their original documents says it all.
Honestly the security on the old passports was crap and they needed to change to the new style anyway. It is another example of people looking to the past afraid to grasp the future.
Did we ever actually have a blue passport? I could swear my old ones, before the new format, were black?
ninfan "Why did we change the colour in the first place then?
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:41981X0919&from=P T"
Because we wanted to.
Are you OK Ninfan you seem to have lost it of late?
Did we ever actually have a blue passport? I could swear my old ones, before the new format, were black?
They were manufactured as blue but due to the dye and materials became darker over time until they looked almost black...
It's wonderful how a colour change can reduce [s]retainers[/s] remainers* into a frothing fit. It's wonderful.
*bloody autocorrect
It's not the colour change. It's the fact that people think this is a big deal we should be pleased about. That's why it's so shit.
Did you read what the Tories were saying about it?
Not "frothing fit" 5th laughing fit see the comedy gold of jam and ninfan's posts above and Farrage's declaring Happy Brexmas over the change. We have liberated ourselves from the Tyranny of a burgundy passport we negotiated for in a resolution we could have vetoed which allowed a national opt out! To celebrate rather than revert to our old blue black passport we are going to adopt virtually identical passport to an EU design in Smurf blue a colour that is already used by an EU country. The Brexiters are whooping this expensive farce up like its the equivalent of the Boston Tea Party. And the final irony the new passport is odds on to be made in the EU! Happy Brexfarce indeed!
Because we wanted to.
We?
Can’t say I remember us having a vote about it...
Can’t say I remember us having a vote about it...
But we had a vote to change them to French Navy blue? Yes? I'd have voted yes to that one, why not? Mix it up a little. Actually, a whole range of colours you could choose from when renewing your passport would have been snazzy… like those bank cards you get to choose a colour or picture for…probably cheaper than holding another referendum as well. I think I'd like bright orange, if it was one of the options.
"Take back control" and choose your own colour (from a limited set to stop the costs escalating of course). I'm quite taken with that symbolism of individual freedom actually… liking the idea more and more.
Anyway, looking forward to a future compromise, where we're all happy with our nice new bright blue docs, that say European Outer Union on them as well... doubt we'll get that in 2019… maybe one day, if we all start behaving sensibly.
We?Can’t say I remember us having a vote about it...
Having a vote on it would have cost the tax payer money for something that's completely irrelevant and inconsequential.
There was no reason not to use the same style format as every one else.
Good idea too not giving you a vote on it ninfan. 😉
Can I have a fluo yellow passport to make it easier for me to find in the filing?
And a different colour for my wife and children so it’s easy for me to grab the right one?
I like your thinking.
It's wonderful how a colour change can reduce retainers remainers* into a frothing fit. It's wonderful.*bloody autocorrect
Yes, the NHS is on its knees, David Davies has admitted they have done no prep work on outcome, food bank use rising, employment dropping, inflation up, real wages falling, etc etc etc.
And the best the tories can come up with, a passport colour change that no one under 40 will have any association with!.
Can I have a fluo yellow passport to make it easier for me to find in the filing?
And a different colour for my wife and children so it’s easy for me to grab the right one?
I just have an Irish card passport in my wallet these days. IF the UK actually wanted to do something constructive! most people don't need a booklet!
Have we covered May siding with a right wing government neutering the power of the courts yet? Seems a more natural fit for her than siding with the EU on this I suppose.
And a different colour for my wife and children so it’s easy for me to grab the right one?
As is if they read your mind! 😆
[url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Passport-Covers/b?ie=UTF8&node=1769604031 ]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Passport-Covers/b?ie=UTF8&node=1769604031[/url]
I'm assuming that somebody has already thought of supplying burgundy EU covers to put over the new blue passports for us snowflakes?
Whenever I travel in the nice bit of the plane there tends to be a Russian travelling with a uk passport.
Are these plastic brits now going to **** off and become plastic French for freedom of travel?
If they do can they easily get into this ****ing wonderful country of ours.
Me thinks there’s a red carpet for millionaires regardless of where they come from.
for something that's completely irrelevant and inconsequential.
So, why are all the retainers so upset about it then?
I'm assuming that somebody has already thought of supplying burgundy EU covers to put over the new blue passports for us snowflakes?
Yes you can, what manner of European wizardry is this?! 😆
[url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leather-British-Passport-Burgundy-protective/dp/B00201M0KK ]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leather-British-Passport-Burgundy-protective/dp/B00201M0KK[/url]
So, why are all the retainers so upset about it then?
Frankly I couldn't give an arse, but it's become a thing because the leavers are offering it up as a prime example of what 'taking back control' is delivering, and justifiably are being asked if that is the ****ing best that can be managed?
So, why are all the retainers so upset about it then?
I don't think the vast majority care what colour thier passport is, and for those that do they can buy covers.
You can even get 'hello kitty' ones if that's your thing.
I think the point is, which as already been pointed out, at least twice now, is that this has been hailed as some kind of triumph.. To be fair brexit triumphs are few and far between so it's viewed by those of us who are sensible, as rediculous, considering there were never any hard rules on what colour UK passports have to be in the first place.
Comprende?
Ah,the sweet sound of Ninny trying to start an argument with himself,in an empty room,and failing.Bonjour tristesse.
Surely if the PM communicates about it , it must be important ? or is it just to divert attention from her deputy being sacked for watching porn all day ?
who knows .....
It gets worse for ninfan
Twas st Maggie herself who ditched the old blue one!
Well at least we won't be subjected to purchasing normaly bent Bananas.
It's not the colour change. It's the fact that people think this is a big deal we should be pleased about. That's why it's so shit.Did you read what the Tories were saying about it?
Yes, the NHS is on its knees, David Davies has admitted they have done no prep work on outcome, food bank use rising, employment dropping, inflation up, real wages falling, etc etc etc.And the best the tories can come up with, a passport colour change that no one under 40 will have any association with!.
This.......
Fiddling while Rome burns.
It sorta pisses some people off.
And miraculously all the things that were the fault of the imperialist eu superstate turn out to be things the UK could have changed while still being a member.
Who would have thought it....
I need a new passport and absolutely couldn’t give a figgy pudding what colour it is.
My 4 year old and 1 year old will need one at some point. My 4 year old son will probably want a green one as he likes green.
Meanwhile 3Q gdp revised up to 1.7%
Would that be it's lowest since 2012?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/timeseries/ihyr/ukea
chestrockwell - Member
I need a new passport and absolutely couldn’t give a figgy pudding what colour it is.
Yep, I'd rather it retained the FoM and other rights that I currently have and be any colour even poo brown.
[quote=ninfan ]So, why are all the retainers so upset about it then?
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or maybe whoosh, I'm not quite sure.
mikewsmith - Member
And miraculously all the things that were the fault of the imperialist eu superstate turn out to be things the UK could have changed while still being a member.Who would have thought it....
Yes! That's what really hacks me off!
The EU is just another scapegoat along with immigration, people on benefits etc etc. all deflecting attention away from the causes of the real rot in this country.
None of the above caused the banking crisis or is why the county is so utterly lacking in any form of social conscience.
It's all home made!
I quite like this as a label.retainers
Indeed I want to retain my rights as an EU citizen!
Err possibly because it’s the only definate thing they’ve managed to agree and the fact that it appears the cunning Brexit plan doesn’t even exist on the back of a fag packet and the super secret sectorexcruciating detailed papers turn out to be only of use if you run out of toilet paper on the Euro star but the pm manages to proudly announce
The UK passport is an expression of our independence and sovereignty – symbolising our citizenship of a proud, great nation. That's why we have announced that the iconic #bluepassport will return after we leave the European Union in 2019.
The colour could have be changed at any time to blue but strangely no one cared about it before Brexit.
Yep Retainer definately has a ring to it....
So what’s going down under cover of the passport announcement. Can’t be a trade deal with our new Polish buddies 🙂
So what’s going down under cover of the passport announcement. Can’t be a trade deal with our new Polish buddies
A deal that will further shaft UK industry. Vodka made with methanol is a booming market.
Well I think it’s hilarious.
I expect they’ll be looking to bring back the verse about rebellious Scots next.
Muppets.
Well I think it’s hilarious
Agree can’t wait for the film to come out.
Who do reckon they’d get to play May - Cate Blanchet or Kate Winslet ?
Meryl.
She's got form.
dudeofdoom - MemberWho do reckon they’d get to play May
Ian McKellen
^ too much integrity and vitality to take the role.
It would need to be a superb actor to fully capture the wooden, dead eyed, charisma vacuum that is May. Maybe get a mannequin and get Jan Ravens to do the voice?
On second thought, Alan Rickman. He currently has the same vitality as May and would need a similar amount of propping up.....
Who should play May?
Matt Lucas. Obviously.
I think Christopher Biggins would have it.
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Bregante wins.
Can I repropose Lucas and Walliams as BoJo and Grove.
*applauds bregante*
Bregante wins.
We really need thumbs up on here.
I was thinking mr Bean for Farage but I thought it would make him too endearing so he’ll have to play himself as the parasitic shit.
(Sorry for being negative an judgemental at Chrissy... good will to all an that but he’s a slimy Fokker)
Poor as well... no money in politics apparently.
Mike Myres to play all of UKIP and some of the tories?
So, why are all the retainers so upset about it then?
Do retainers include anyone bracing themselves for our economic decline?
Gerard Depardieu as boris has a certain irony to it.
Do retainers include anyone bracing themselves for our economic decline?
No that’s the misguided, moaners and why is my plate empty brigade
Economy proving remarkably resilient despite all this. Some are getting on with it 😉
Economic resilience is obviously a phrase open to a fair degree of interpretation 😉
Annual growth in the third quarter slowed to 1.7 percent, slightly higher than previously estimated but still the weakest pace in 4 1/2 years, the Office for National Statistics said on Friday. The economy expanded an unrevised 0.4 percent from the second quarter, well below the rates seen before the European Union referendum 18 months ago.
No that’s the misguided, moaners and why is my plate empty brigadeEconomy proving remarkably resilient despite all this. Some are getting on with it
Hopefully we will buck the predictions, but our extraction from the EU could leave us in an ugly situation, unless we can put up with a severe period of pressure. Could go to the wire but hopefully we will come out smiling. 😉
Different parts of the cycle. When did the UK recover? How many quarters before the EU did?
Economy much more resilient that our side predicted. Perhaps that’s why we lost. Too much doom and gloom and no positive vision. Tant pis
Economy much more resilient
I think that’s from the “I’m alright Jack” school of economics. Most are facing real-terms cuts in wages and resultant drop in standard of living with decreasing prospects that they will ever be as wealthy as their parents, for the first time in recorded history.
I was thinking mr Bean for Farage but I thought it would make him too endearing so he’ll have to play himself as the parasitic shit.
Al Murray's pub landlord perhaps?
Alan Partridge / Steve Coogan for Farage
And THM the economy seems right in line with the predictions I saw. Perhaps not the ones that made the headlines but if one (as I know you would have) read the body text, this is what was predicted. Death by a thousand cuts. Enjoy.
Walking through town there are more boarded up shops than I can remember seeing previously, and there’s fewer Christmas lights out this year too. For a consumer led economy that’s not good.
Purely circumstantial evidence of course.
The most appropriqte kind for this thread!
Walking through town I see lots of lights and grotesque amounts of unnecessary consumption. SFA to do with Brexshit too.
Gerard Depardieu as boris has a certain irony to it.
Well cast 🙂 never would have thought of him.
He’s actuallly a bloke I wouldn’t have minded having a drink with.
Merry Christmas from HMRC 😀 I wonder if the demand had a picture of Santa on it.
retainers
I quite like this as a label.
Reminds me of Sir Henry at Rawlinson End. "Old Scrotum the Wrinkled Retainer".
Have we done the leave donors trying to dodge tax demands.
Not reinforcing our remoaner conspiracies at all 😉
Obvs is all an evil establishment plot by us retainers!
or is it?
A HMRC spokesman said: “Donations to campaign groups don’t qualify as exempt gifts to political parties, unless the recipient is a political party meeting the criteria set out in section 24 of the Inheritance Tax Act 1984.“No special exemption was granted ahead of the 2016 referendum. Obviously, the legislation is applied equally to all organisations and groups.”
Following on from the blue passport nonsense can I make a request for the UK theme tune to be returned to Radio 4, its disappearance being equally nothing to do with the EU but I will certainly feel more in control again and it will go some way to making Britain grate again.
What other pointless stuff can we suggest - what about a dedicated 'Brexit' prom next year ....
Shut the shops on Sundays or at least one Sunday a month.
Shopping is not a family pastime it's a pain in the arse.
Also turn the internet off once a month.
The Russians are working on that last one.
martinhutch.... well I got it... 😀
Would that be it's lowest since 2012?
Project Armageddon said we’d be in a depoer recenssion than post the financial crises. So 1.7% is nothing short of amazing. [b]GET IN[/b]
Such a damn shame Remain didn’t offer to bring back the Blue passports. Just think you’d have won, well apart from being able to explain aisde from £200m a week and all the other hidden commitments we where racking up and how it was all ... such grear value (even though we’ve hidden it all from you)
2017 PMSL 🙂 🙂 🙂
Rocking Karen C (They Long To Be ) Close to You .... Happy Christmas
Project Armageddon said we’d be in a depoer recenssion than post the financial crises. So 1.7% is nothing short of amazing. GET IN
No the forecasts were after Brexit itself, it hasn't happened yet so don't throw away your blue/black passport cover just yet.
Such a damn shame Remain didn’t offer to bring back the Blue passports.
Why would anyone bother? You get now that there was nothing stopping anyone doing it while being a member of the EU don't you - come on it's christmas you can admit you misread that one.
200m a week ?
blimey, what has happened to the other 150 ?
any comment on those tax bills Jambalaya ? you are always keen to point out that you would like all big corporations to pay their fair share of tax , surely it is only fair that those donors pay what the law says they should ?
I’d quite like bbc1 to finish about 1am each night and play the National anthem again. Oh, and bring back that girl with her teddy and a blackboard test card. I would definitely feel like i’d taken back control if that happened.
martinhutch.... well I got it...
Merry Christmas! Should've known better than to try to introduce levity into the mega-argueathon. 🙂