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Labour MPs in the north of England are afraid to make the case against [b]incase their voters turn against them.[/b] Its pathetic. See Andy Burnham playing the race card in the manchester mayoral elections.
* Coz if they thought that leaving the EU would mean the hated ****stanis living in Rotherham would be expelled then [b]they deserve to be called thick[/b]
Labour voters and Thick racists... strange old correlation that one 😉
As for the BS that this is a Tory issue
No, you're right, the Tories totally have nothing to do with this.
So next step would have been to present a coherent leave policy to Parliament outlining what was being proposed and the impacts of various outcomes (can't be that hard as you tell us thm that you have a full set) presented an economic assessment and budget and voted on that with a number of safeguards in place for when it turned really bad.
And yes it is a tory issue, they proposed it, they delivered it and now they are running it.
"It follows that the prime minister should not be blocked from starting the article 50 negotiations."
Unless and until the people of the country decide that Brexit is not for them,at which point the farce should stop. Plus the remoaners are democratically entitled to keep pointing out, as you have thm, that Brexit is a really bad idea.
I wouldn’t expect you to remember what the Tory government and PM campaigned for cougar. So don’t worry. It’s not just Brexshiteers who distort the truth.
I have already posted a gov note on next steps and the various expected outcomes - to which we got the reply, “can’t be bothered to read 87 pages”. And yet no one is calling for those who don’t want to understand to be excluded from voting.
Do next step would have been to present a coherent leave policy to Parliament outlining what was being proposed and the impacts of various outcomes (can't be that hard as you tell us thm that you have a full set) presented an economic assessment and budget and voted on that with a number of safeguards in place for when it turned really bad.
Should have been done before the referendum was offered,
although you could argue project fear attempted that but hey how with the leave side running better advertising.
remember Goves we’ve had enough of experts line and lately DD’s hating of models.
Labour voters and Thick racists
Anyone can be racist, it's not always Tory voters!
But racists & thick is a much stronger correlation
Plenty of smart racists. And plenty more smart people using racism as a tool.
Is it smart to post racist cartoons or just racist?
Mini THM is Edinburgh this evening gets abused for being English - “FO you English, this is Scot Rail after all”. How charming.
So you have discovered racism, lucky he doesn't have to experience it every day.
I know imagine if he was an Aborigine?
Given the casual racism against Scots of his father my guess is the son has the same attitudes
I have an english name and accent and have not experienced this is 25 years of living in Edinburgh. Edinburgh has a huge number of english folk living in it
NOpe - not one. racism is always stupidkelvin - MemberPlenty of smart racists.
And plenty more smart people using racism as a tool.
Indeed. Its all part of the game for people. stir up racism to divide and conquer
teamhurtmore - Member
I know imagine if he was an Aborigine?
Or Scottish, Irish, Polish or even had a different skin tone. I assume your just trying lame quips to try and make a point but time to get back to the real issues here.
@tj there are many people who are smart who are racist - doesn't make racism smart or any less stupid. There are also a number of very smart people doing the manipulation of people to use race to create division for their own means.
Mini THM is Edinburgh this evening gets abused for being English
Maybe the acorn never falls far from the oak and mini thm was being a dick, trying to wind people up and got a reaction...
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42297430
and more enemies of the people fighting the undemocratic parliament...
A cross-party group of MPs says the promise of a "meaningful vote" for Parliament on any Brexit deal should be enshrined in the EU Withdrawal Bill.
Former Conservative attorney-general Dominic Grieve will table such an amendment to the bill later this week.
The All-Party Parliamentary Group on EU Relations supports the move, urging backbenchers to put "the national interest" above party politics.
The amendment will be debated in the House of Commons on Tuesday.
Who would have thought that having an option to reign in the one party driving Brexit would be a good thing
teamhurtmore - Member
Is it smart to post racist cartoons or just racist?Mini THM is Edinburgh this evening gets abused for being English - “FO you English, this is Scot Rail after all”. How charming
I've had "Oi, JOCK!!!" in London more times than I can count. And been told my money was scrap (or worse) far too often. Curiously, only in certain English cities, go figure.
So casual xenophobia is endemic, and no indication of mental prowess 🙂
Free trade deals you say?
https://www.ft.com/content/b48e4f3a-dc0e-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482
well thank brexit we won't have that awful deal rammed down our throats by the fascist EU warmongering capitalist scum.
Had the outcome been to remain, we would have expected the result to be honoured, and that cuts both ways.
Which is frankly BS, we all know that if leave had lost it would not have shut up and "respected" the result.
So why expect remainers to shut up?
Farage said as much on the day, didn't he?
When is it going to become the fault of Jews and Marxists?
If you're going for the full stab in the back myth you might as well do it properly. 🙄
I'd appreciate it if people who link the FT at least paraphrase what the article says otherwise the post means nothing to the majority of STW users.
Edukator, sign up to the FT and you can read a few per month
There's about an FT link a day on this thread.
my guess is the son has the same attitudes
Is wrong - as usual - both in the intention of the insult and amusingly in fact since both are Scotophiles. Still 99% wrong TJ, well done.
Edinburgh has a huge number of english folk living in it
Indeed some even own multiple properties pushing up prices for low income Scots increasing homelessness in the capital so that they have homeless people living on their doorstep. Then they deal with their sense of guilt by offering the poor a coffee and a sandwich and publicise their "generosity" for a pat on the back ?!? What spirit??
No metalheart - but more obvious who is behaving like a dick and the apologists for racism. The next thing will be posting racist cartoons like other tag team members. True colours coming out loud and clear
No metalheart - but more obvious who is behaving like a dick and the apologists for racism. The next thing will be posting racist cartoons like other tag team members. True colours coming out loud and clear
Seriously??
Who has apologised for racism? Please quote and post it's really easy.
I wouldn’t expect you to remember what the Tory government and PM campaigned for cougar.
I'm sure he remembers fine, since his memory also appears to stretch back to remembering why there was something to campaign about in the first place.
So don’t worry. It’s not just Brexshiteers who distort the truth.
Apparently not
Some of us fight against and call out racism. THM posts racist slurs and gets banned / warned for them and has his posts removed.
THM has outed himself as anti scots racist many times
Please read it's easy - note the lie required to attempt to blame the victim. True colours.
More lies TJ but your crass attempt to victim blame was obvious. True colours
Good Marr today with Stramer and DD. Interesting program
Both main parties on the same page and Labour ruling out second referendum.
Please quote and post it's really easy.
Just as a point of discussion, does posting a picture of something racist make you a racist? If I post a picture of Zwaart Piet and say "this is a thing that happens in Holland", does that make me a racist?
teamhurtmoreMore lies TJ but your crass attempt to victim blame was obvious. True colours
THM - you DID get warned / banned for racist anti scots slurs. One you repeated many times.
You could be a man and admit your actions and apologise. Or you could keep on making false statements about this. I can't quote the posts because they were removed but it is true this happened and many of us remember.
so will you admit that you used racist pejorative terms about scots or will you continue in your denial?
You could put your kilfille back on and save a lot of lies and wasted time. Or you can keep lying about me being racist and hating Scotland and accusing my son - who you have never met and about whom you know no detail - of being racist too. Those of the typical actions of Internet bullies. You decide if you want to continue on those lines "again"
Back to the EU now for the rest of us.
Please quote and post it's really easy.
Or report but as we are not sure what you are going on about it's a bit harder...
Its not lies THM
Answer one simple question. Did you get posts removed and a ban / warning for posting racist pejorative terms to describe scots?
Hint - we know the answer
note the lie required to attempt to blame the victim. True colours
Wrong button. Try again. But seems you're one of them thicko's you keep banging on about so I'll explain it for you 😉
[b]Maybe[/b] (s)he was showing the same cultural insensitivity you show on here (time and time again) and [i]maybe[/i] they just thought mini thm was a dick...
Now, please, let's have some more of your condescending patronising thmness
While it in no way excuses somebody having a go at mini THM, senior did indeed get a ban for the constant use of the word "sweaties" to describe Scots.
No maybes at all - you are wrong. So your excuse for being rude and apologising for "racism" falls flat.True colours
Any way this thread in not about abusive, racist Scots it's about the EU... So back on topic
So you excuse forbeing rude and apologising for "racism" falls flat.True colours
Tell us what you are objecting to, it's really easy
I'm really disappointed about mini-THM being 'racially abused' in Edinburgh.
I lived in Edinburgh as a student for four years and still visit 5 - 6 times a year. In all the time I have spent in the city I have never had any hassle because of my (admittedly Northern) English accent. I must just be lucky...
Ta Duckman.
THM - I suggest you report the racist posts you have seen.
My guess is that along with the rest of your distorted worldview and your refusal to acknowledge your own racism your idea of what is racist is so far out that there were none.
AD - 25 years in Edinburgh with a very english name and accent and I have never had this - even in rough pubs in leith.
TJ - I used to avoid the pubs in Leith in the early/mid 90's - but more because I was student then rather than English...
That part of the city is probably the most changed!
Maybe mini-THM is just like their Dad?
Maybe
No maybes at all - you are wrong
😉
😯apologising for "racism"
Going back a million pages , will it cost me more to import my chocolates?
Maybe.
We won't know until somebody throws the deal out at the last minute
AD - I have lived in leith since 92
TJ - I think we are both agreeing with each other! The only reason I avoided Leith in the early 90's was because I was a student then - not because I'm English 😀
Oh yes - yours and mine experiences are by far and away the majority view. anti english racism exists but overt anti english statements? Very rare which is why its not a huge leap to think that THM junior might have been behaving like his father thus triggering the event.
Most of us take a lot of our attitudes from our parents.
THM - I suggest you report the racist posts you have seen.
On the contrary much better that true colours are seen in all their glory (sic) such a repeated victim blaming to excuse racism. See above.True colours 100%.
Sorry which post are you complaining about, your point is a bit shit when we don't know what your whining about
Have you reported it yet THM?
No, read above for the reason. It's better for people to see your behaviour for what it is. On that point, I will leave you to your traditional role. I'm out of this sub-conversation. Enjoy, the rest of us will.
Anyway back to ME.
I thought because NI was staying the same as Eire and we were staying the same as NI we were effectively staying in the single market.
Where am I going wrong?
Well still can't find an offensive or racist post there, please help us we are all to thick to follow you.
The word "in"
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I'll give it a minute but still not getting you there
On the contrary much better that true colours are seen in all their glory (sic) such a repeated victim blaming to excuse racism. See above.True colours 100%.
😆
THM - you DID get warned / banned for racist anti scots slurs. One you repeated many times.You could be a man and admit your actions and apologise. Or you could keep on making false statements about this. I can't quote the posts because they were removed but it is true this happened and many of us remember.
True dat
THM still playing the victim? 😆
This really is 1000+ pages of exactly the same script copied and pasted.
zippykona - MemberAnyway back to ME.
I thought because NI was staying the same as Eire and we were staying the same as NI we were effectively staying in the single market.
Where am I going wrong?
Almost - obeying the rules to keep [i]access[/i] to the single market
fact fiction or probably true 😉
http://newsthump.com/2015/05/18/tories-commit-to-human-rights-act-after-redefining-human-as-earning-over-50k/
In the fantasy minds of remoaners probably deemed true. So does that make all humans rich now 😉 ?
OOI Mike, intrigued that you are coming back to the UK given the gloomy outlook you appear to expect (excuse the question if it is for very personal reasons)?
tell you what THM, I'll tell you if you can pick out the post that you are calling racist....
Rejoice - the Sunday Express says we have the the EU 'over a barrel'. Happy days.
Given all the sexual tension, when are THM and TJ going to get a room?
On human rights I have seen no mainstream commentators looking at the issue that the european convention on human rights is incorporated into Scots law and cannot be changed without the consent of holyrood which will not be given. So Scotland will still have the ECHR as an overiding legal recourse. Anyone / thing operating UK wide will still be subject to the ECHR and any law passed by Westminster that breaches it but is supposed to act UK wide will be in breach of scots law
What has brexit got to do with ECHR?
Danny - I could heal him 😉
teamhurtmore - Member
What has brexit got to do with ECHR?
about the same as claiming racism but not being able to point at it?
The UK's Brexit negotiator David Davis has described the deal struck by Theresa May to move to the next phase of talks as a "statement of intent".He said it was not "legally enforceable" and if the UK failed to get a trade deal with the EU then it would not pay its divorce bill.
Now thats really going to play well in Brussels. Could anything be more effective in making the EU negotiators harden their stance and to ensure there is a legal committment before trade talks start?
And he spelled out the kind of trade deal he wanted with the EU, describing it as "Canada plus plus plus".
Fantasy land. this is already ruled out.
Mini-whoevers pick up behaviour from their parents, peers, schooling and society in general.
Someone I know was punched in the face for acidentally spilling a tiny volume of beer on someone in a pub when jostled. I'm sure that had he never apologised he wouldn't have been punched. The problem was that the apology was dleivered with an accent that goes down very well with affluent Solent racing types and not so well elsewhere. It had nothing to do with racism and a lot do do with Britain's class problem.
Mike - ECHR and removing the UK from this is one of the main thrusts of the whole shambles
Mike I made specific reference to a racist cartoon - my parents cames to the UK just before I was born but my brother was born in Zambia. He was a banker for part of his life but did not wear stereotypical clothing nor does he have large lips as portrayed - and to racist apologists on previous pages. They are easy to read unless you are an apologist too. Your choice.
What has brexit got to do with ECHR?
Our current Conservative Prime Minister has said that she wants us to pull out of the ECHR.
We can't pull out of the ECHR while being members of the EU.
The EU will want to make any deal that gives us a "close relationship" dependent on ECHR.
sorry TJ just still trying to get to the bottom of the accusations levelled at somebody. Seems THM doesn't want to tell us, we should all appreciate how thick we are not to have worked it out by now.
Brexit is about removing all the things that have stopped the UK being great like beating prisoners, stopping democracy, poisoning beaches and rivers. You know all the things Germany struggled through to be a nation returning a surplus despite all of that and being part of the Euro.
Ed you posted racist cartoons to make s point. True colours.
Mike as you know ECHR has nothing to do with Brexit unless you are a remoaner deliberately distorting the truth.
Still after last week, must be tough being a remoaner so struggling with the truth is understandable