Just re-reading you post theocb and while you assume a lot about my father and what he might prefer, I'll let that slide.
What I am curious about is this statement...
I'm sure your father wouldn't be over happy to see people using basic polling results used as a stick to beat others with.
Who's beating anyone with any stick?
The polls should always be looked at with a view of the associated error margin - if you don't know that then you don't know what you're looking at.
Here's the Brexit opinion polls. Some each way, and eventually a very close result. Given most polls used to have have a 3% error margin, and the type of poll affected the score (online and telephone gave more to remain), then 51.9:48.1, a 1.9% swing, is not out of line really.
I have and it still looks like online polls were the more accurate in the referendum.Theocb - the non-online polls predicted a narrow victory for the Brexies. Go check.
😀 I didn't think I was being rude about your father tbh but apologies if that is what you thought, I was suggesting someone who has spent their life working on polling information might ask others to use the information gathered cautiously, especially when using that info to create a few more 'probably, maybe, fairly likely' scenarios.
So nobody on this thread is using basic poll information to blame anyone for the result of the referendum? Whooa, that's a good'un 😆Who's beating anyone with any stick?
Well I'm not.
There is fairly good evidence that old folk were more in favour of borders and barriers, while young folk were more in favour of the opportunities that an open Europe presented.
But I'm not blaming anyone for anything.
create a few more 'probably, maybe, fairly likely' scenarios.
Agreed. I thought that's what I had done.
The online polls were more pro-leave than telephone, but as I recall in person was more pro-leave again.
In the last 10 days the polls were 8-7 in favour of leave if I've read that link right. So the polls got it about right.
This really cheered me up... possibly the most appropriate spelling mistake ever 🙂
Although I doubt very much it was a genuine mistake...
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Remember when Deloitte said Brexit's gonna cost you due to the extra civil servants needed?
And our Brexy government said what do they know they don't even work for us?
Turns out that was a lie. They were assisting the Brexit department with financial planning and budgets.
Who'd have thought it?
There is fairly good evidence that old folk were more in favour of borders and barriers, while young folk were more in favour of the opportunities that an open Europe presented.
I would be interested in having a read of that fairly good evidence if you have a link handy??
I'm not sure it's as clear cut as that sounds (to me)
Brexit: Berlin business leaders unimpressed with UK's message
The distinguished audience members were too polite to heckle. But the eye rolling, frowns and audible tutting made it quite clear how the Brexiteers' message was going down with German business leaders.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38707997
The laughter from the audience quickly turned to s****s as they heard the UK described as "a beacon of open, free trade around the world".
who's says the germans don't have a sense of humour 😆 they obviously know a couple of clowns when they see them !
Klunk - Member
who's says the germans don't have a sense of humour they obviously know a couple of clowns when they see them !The laughter from the audience quickly turned to s****s as they heard the UK described as "a beacon of open, free trade around the world".
BBC is playing the toll now.
errrmmm ... trust me German sense of humour is very different to the British, coz theirs are more organised and more bureaucratic. 😆
My German IT code writer friend would laugh at programming codes when someone deliberately messed with the codes ... 😛
Theocb - three for starters. You are welcome to find others.
The most recent poll data I found was this from Sky of all people. The age discrepancy was notable and well in excess of any error margin that I would expect.
From the Guardian (Observer not Guardian technically) commenting on a recent poll (which I accept I am trusting them not to lie about - you never know they might be)
And again from just after the referendum.
There were a few more in the weeks after the referendum too.
[I]Deloitte, however, had been hired along with other consultancy firms – on a pro-bono basis, or for a nominal fee of £1 – to help set up DExEU after it was created last summer.[/I]
You only work for free when either you've further work lined up or you believe that you will get further work..., at inflated rates no doubt.
igm. I did have a look for some 'fairly good evidence' of the statement you made but I couldn't find anything. I couldn't find any evidence let alone some fairly good evidence
None of those links are 'evidence' of what you suggest 😕 That was my point from earlier, it is very easy to use the results from a specifically designed poll to fit unconnected generalisations and slightly twisted words.
The first link is a poll about leaving the single market?
It was just a question about leaving the single market! you seem to have decided that older people answered based on borders and barriers and young people have answered based on 'the opportunities of the EU', neither of those things were in the question asked.
I was struggling to see how the other 2 links were even connected to what you were saying.
errrmmm ... trust me German sense of humour is very different to the British
errrmm ... trust me German sense of humour is very similar to the British. The English and German parts of my family laugh at the same sort of things.
My German IT code writer friend would laugh at programming codes when someone deliberately messed with the codes ...
No idea what an "IT code writer" is exactly, but I know plenty of British geeks that would find that sort of thing amusing. Myself included.
That's because they are your family.slowoldman - Member
errrmmm ... trust me German sense of humour is very different to the British
errrmm ... trust me German sense of humour is very similar to the British. The English and German parts of my family laugh at the same sort of things.
I worked with Germans who speaks perfectly good English but even they have to ask me to explain the British sense of humour and I come from the far east!!! 😆
German mate is super doper software programmer that earns plenty of dosh put it this way in 3D environment ... he tried to explain to me ... it was very hard for me to sit still trying to pretend I know what he was on ... 😆GrahamS - Member
My German IT code writer friend would laugh at programming codes when someone deliberately messed with the codes ...
No idea what an "IT code writer" is exactly, but I know plenty of British geeks that would find that sort of thing amusing. Myself included.
I worked with Germans who speaks perfectly good English but even they have to ask me to explain the British sense of humour and I come from the far east!!!
Perhaps they were just as baffled by your sense of humour as the rest of us?
Surprisingly they understand me very well ...zokes - Still not a customer
I worked with Germans who speaks perfectly good English but even they have to ask me to explain the British sense of humour and I come from the far east!!!
Perhaps they were just as baffled by your sense of humour as the rest of us?
Cougar my wife voted against the EU Constitution in the 2005 Referendum. Having been defeated (France voted No) the EU just rolled it all up into the Lisbon Treaty and everyone approved that Sarkozy included. Classic anti-democratic EU. She and many of her family hate what the EU has become - very similar attitude to me a community for business yes, political union no. Chris as you'll well know the "far left" where very much against the EU Constitution in 2005 and like Corbyn et all they remain so. Does your family's village/town honour the requirement to provide space for Romany / Travellers ?
If we believe the Remainers my inability to live "permanently" in France would be a big problem for her.
DrJ anyone retiring abroad could be considered "wealthy" in local terms, most do it for better weather (important with old bones and joints) and of course as the money goes much further. EU is not going to jeopardise this. As far as I am concerned anyone is welcome to come to the UK with a work visa or ro freely buy property (without the restrictions we see in Denmark or Switzerland)
Germans are not laughing as they bery well know without the UK their project is in serious sh.t also as a massive exporter the fall in the £ is very painful even without tariffs. They are probably also crapping themselves about the Southern European debt crises and the impact on them.
Deloittes is in maximum kiss arse mode to try and get themselves out of the mes created by their employees leaked memo. They well know they would not get hired by the Government for anything right now so they are giving themselves away for free.
yes they have a space for Les Gens du voyage .
not an issue . much more problematic when they have nowhere to go .
German mate is super doper software programmer that earns plenty of dosh put it this way in 3D environment ... he tried to explain to me ... [b]it was very hard for me to sit still trying to pretend I know what he was on ...[/b]
It was dope, you can sit still now.
. Does your family's village/town honour the requirement to provide space for Romany / Travellers ?
That's a departure? Where are you going with this?
Does your family's village/town honour the requirement to provide space for Romany / Travellers ?
Is this the law, when taken to the letter, means that those who use camper vans as daily transport can't park in town for fear of setting up mini communities?
He refers to a requirement for every town of a certain size in France to provide a space for the traveling community . they can only stay a maximum of a few days .I assume it must be a EU requirements .
Probably not an EU requirement as I don't think it applies in UK and you'd have thought that UKIP and other racists would have picked on it pretty quickly.
No, this sounds like the Spanish law where campers aren't allowed in urban areas for fear of free camping. I can see how it could be twisted though.
Deloittes is in maximum kiss arse mode to try and get themselves [s]out of the mes created by their employees leaked memo[/s] in on the millions and millions in consultancy fees that the taxpayer will have to squander on Brexishambles over the coming decade(s).
F t f y
Deloitte were working for free BEFORE the memo was leaked . Apparently it is common for agencies to do work like that to secure future work .
Deloitte have agreed not to bid for governement contracts for the next 6 months .
but N10 said they were NOT working for them when the memo was leaked . clearly a lie . any comment on that ?
I assume it must be a EU requirements
Even better than that. It's the loi Besson, which was brought in during the time Jospin was pm, so it's the Lefty coalition's fault although I'm sure that we will soon be informed that it was actually some nefarious EU plot against the good people of whatever well-to-do part of Grand Paris jamby lives in.
Does your family's village/town honour the requirement to provide space for Romany / Travellers ?
I've no idea, but there's no shortage of them so either the answer is "yes" or it doesn't matter as they're doing it regardless.
From the World Economic Forum, debt per head of population. Ireland, Greece, Belgium and Italy take note
Interesting link.
Were you not singing the praises of Singapore's low Corp tax approach a few pages back?
Not sure it's working perfectly for Ireland either.
It looks there will be troubles ahead for many in the EU. 😯
Why are you ignoring Japan, Singapore, USA, Canada, Iceland…?
Vote Brexit to get rid of those foreigners - get Californian Mexicans instead. So many ****ing idiots, Estamos jodidos!
How is this taking back control?
Japans debt, along with its immigration stance and birth rate is a kilotonne sized economic timebomb.
Also ineresting to note just how unfair the world economic stage is, isnt it. We can rack up these crazy levels of debt but no one can be ****ed to write off laughably insignificant debt like the Congos - so many struggling countries that find it hard to lift themselves out of poverty whilst the G20 spend like crazy to keep their positions and even hit the developing world with protectionism so they havent got a chance in hell.
****s.
kelvin - Member
Why are you ignoring Japan, Singapore, USA, Canada, Iceland…?
Because not many of them come from the same zone by comparison to those coming from EU zone.
USA big and strong and can manage debt
Japan, has never recovered from 1980's blow up. Yup its a big problem.
Singapore, well run debt easily manageable (also not sure if they have divided debt by local population which is only 1/2 of country, rest are expats on short contracts paying relatively high taxes). Singapore borrows for investment in ports and infrastructure. No welfare state bills to speak of.
Iceland - tiny
So let me get your statement right Jamba.
USA not a problem because it's big.
Iceland not a problem because it's small.
I don't think that's what you meant even though it is what you said.
Theocb - what do you think I was saying?
Don't worry igm, he will have some #alternativefacts for you shortly...
Singapore's Soveriegn Wealth Fund is larger than their debt. Friend pointed that out overnight
So what's the list of countries that want easier immigration in exchange for a trade deal....?
India
Australia
America
Who did miss?
At least it'll give the right wing press foreigners to hate on after brexit
And before anyone says, it'll only be skilled workers....
We have shortages access the board: nurses, doctors, construction workers, plumbers, sparkies, fruitpickers, an ever growing number of carers for our aging population of daily mail reading xenophobes 🙄
Well all countries owe money to and borrow money from other countries. So with a bit of Bistromathics around the dining table it should be possible to work out what the net debt of each nation is - and cancel the rest.
Oh no, the banks wouldn't get their interest.
Just spotted this on Facebook:
[i]Guy Verhofstadt:
The European Parliament will have to give its assent to the new treaty governing the relations between the European Union and the United Kingdom. As a negotiator for the European Parliament, my position is clear: we will never accept that a state non-member of the eu could enjoy the pleasure of a more favourable status that a member state. It is not to punish or humiliate the United Kingdom but to reaffirm that the EU is a space of freedom and solidarity only for those who accept that their rights are with homework.[/i]
You mean the people won't get their savings back edit - in reply to slowoldman)